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Yeah well. Then ket him slowly die (as he is) on his golden toilet. Just wait 20 years for Abaddons next BC where it shoudl be bigger and nastier.

Space_hoppo wrote:Yeah well. Then let him slowly die (as he is) on his golden toilet. Just wait 20 years for Abaddons next BC where it should be bigger and nastier.

Your can wait the whole eternity and abaddon will lose everytime he tries.

Not even Horus attacked directly,he tricked others to backstab the emperor.
As his plan failed,no traitor was able to fight to the end,they simply fled !
The fool abaddon can't save his primarch at davin,so he got crazed and lives
only for terrorizing the unwary.14th or 15th BC ? It doesn't matter.

Horus wasn't the one who started the Horus Hersey it was actully the word bearers trying to get him to chaos. Abbadon is a crazy ass fool in this area, and he will use ever tool at his disposal to get Cadia and let his hordes out, Typus now has a forge world near the Cadian System and he's got the Ultimate battle ship the Terminus Est, Maybe not the Emporor himself we'll leave Cypher to that.

The Empire of Man is arbitrarily exactly as screwed as the fluff writers want or need it to be.

In "realistic" terms the Imperium has held out pretty good for 10,000 years despite at least two major civil wars. So what's changed to make it on the edge? Are supplies running out? Is the warp becoming unnavigale? Is th the coming of the Tyranids and revival of the Necrons maybe? If the Emperor launched a great crusade in M41 it'd certainly be easier than conquering Earth and making a treaty with Mars to launch one at the end of old night in M30. So really all that's required is a charismatic leader and Humanity'd be out maniaclly kicking butt and taking names again and ignoring all the angst and dread and doom and such.

In "historic" terms a long dark age usually implies a rebirth and golden age to follow usually occuring as a result of decentralization and competition leading to an environment that supports and values innovation and mixing of cultures to form new more appropriate institutions.

In absolutist "we want an apocalypse" terms the Imperium is probably pretty screwed. Gotterdamerung is sort of a flavor that's implied to drive the fluff. But is it just more "millenial" histeria which has plagued mankind almost forever or is it a real and inevitable outcome to be anticipated and prepared for?

In "Let's keep them buying books and minis as long as we can" terms the Imperium is probably pretty safe.

it's unlikely anyone could arise to be a charismatic leader, all thanks to the Inquisition. They would probably deem him tainted, Tzeentch likes that sort of person, and kill him. Shame because the Imperium really needs someone who can do it. Ah well, shows the rut they've dug themselves into

As you say, if the Imperium waas to survive they need the power of a Chaos God, actual no thats a bad idea seeing as Tyranids and Necrons have no emotions and hence do not feed god. You know if this was the Imperium of Nids Chaos wouldnt exist! Nothing for them to eat!

Space_hoppo wrote:As you say, if the Imperium waas to survive they need the power of a Chaos God, actual no thats a bad idea seeing as Tyranids and Necrons have no emotions and hence do not feed god. You know if this was the Imperium of Nids Chaos wouldnt exist! Nothing for them to eat!

Power of a Chaos god does give what bonus to the imperium?
Emotions are the Powercell of chaos,all non-nid or non-necron will Feed.
Enough to eat out there! Necrons do both: nullify warp+chaos, disintegrate Biomass =kill nids .

Tzeentch, he's the person god that makes people get along. Also Tyranids have no emotions and souls. So Chaos and the warp mean nothing to them! Tyranids dont use it to move and neither do necrons. Like the fall of the Eldar gave birth to Slaanesh the fall of the Imperium will give birth to emptyness

Space_hoppo wrote:Tzeentch, he's the person god that makes people get along. Also Tyranids have no emotions and souls. So Chaos and the warp mean nothing to them! Tyranids dont use it to move and neither do necrons. Like the fall of the Eldar gave birth to Slaanesh the fall of the Imperium will give birth to emptyness

C'tan harvest souls. Necrons get their orders from C'tan.

Hive-mind affects communication. The imperium uses astropaths and their psi to relay messages.
Nids are not free of Warp effects.

A "birth of emptyness" from mankind ? Eldar Feed slanesh with obsession,
as psykers they are tastier to Chaos than man. Widespread civilizations,
such as the imperium,cannot be claimed by one Chaos aspect.
Turn humans to a Chaos deity and they wipe the floor with those 4 in their warphome!

They did, its Khorne. And while the Tyranids use they warp they use it to there own will not the other way around.

They did.Its Khorne.

Shooty imperials worship "CC" Khorne ??

Think tack a few thousand years. Maybe back to Barbarian Europe. Where man fought man with sword and spear and flesh and bone. Thats where Khorne was born from, those days.

Didn't 3 of the "great" 4 exist after the old ones created the warp to fight C'tan ?
Slanesh as the youngest started with the eldars fall,long before humanity was
existing. On the variety of man every chaosaspect got his share.

Actully Slaanesh was born in the 29th Millienia (year 29,000) And i dont think so. I'm reading that Doombreed (Khornes first Daemon) was in fact a Earth Warlord. Maybe Hitler or Atillia the Hun. And Khorne is the Oldest of the 4

I heard in another thread the emperor Born at 8000 b.C .
If khorne is the oldest, his first demon from 1000 ad - 2000 ad,
the emperor would be 10.000 years older than chaos ?

Make some deadly warleaders of our past to khornate
demons gives terran history a new look.

Realistically we all know the Imperium ain't going nowhere but I love fluff so here goes.

I think many underestimate the Imperium's numbers. Orks, Nids and Necrons all have massive numbers and regenerate those numbers quickly. Humans though on this massive of a scale produce insanely quickly I'm sure.

Not to mention divine intervention on the Imperium's part hehe. Hello Emperor's return at the eleventh hour!

The Emnporoer was first boen in 8000BC and died over the millenia, then he gained his invincablity about 30000 years in the future. Yeah the Imperium is huge And has untold Billions of men at arms, but it makes a living out of being screwed even the IG codex says that people who collect the IG love the feeling of being screwed beyond all recognition.

Anyone here,playing IG because he wants to be screwed ?

Noone ??

@ space-hoppo: have you ever read dex IG page 2 ??

I don't believe the reason to go IG is to be screwed.

Really, tell me where any army is not cheered in her own dex.

emperor protects

I did and if i remember it says something about players like being the Guard because you are a human in a galaxy full of aliens death and destruction. Soons like a place of screwedness

Space_hoppo wrote:I did and if i remember it says something about players like being the Guard because you are a human in a galaxy full of aliens death and destruction.

Agreed

Sounds like a place of screwedness

But you're not alone.As guardsmen only a little piece in a gigantic Force.
Countless Tanks in your side.Don't forget the faith.

Methinks it says: you'll be no supersoldier,noone expects you to survive,
But you could always do your best.
Guard = stubborn enough to win against odds

The Imperiums weakness is beleiving the Emporer is a god, he himself denided it after all. It's this beleif that keeps them from moving on, they stopped thinking for themselves and looked to a corpse to get laws from. Any of the Chaos Gods could pretend they were the 'voice of the Emp' and corrupt more worlds than they have already.

Besides all the Chaos Gods need to do is cloud Earth in another warp storm and the Imperium falls apart, all they have to do is wait for the right time...

I was looking in the new rule book for some fluff today. It does say that the Imperium is shirking now and is losing momentium and civil war is rife, countless worlds fall to orks, and tyranids ate the only forge world that could make serveral types of tanks and titans.

They ate Mars ?

Or one of a hundred forgeworlds?

Is the new rulebook on a pessimistic stride ?
dark future - grim dark future - Super grim dark future - lights out

Besides all the Chaos Gods need to do is cloud Earth in another warp storm and the Imperium falls apart, all they have to do is wait for the right time...

A time that never comes.Not easy to wait for an event when using a "chaotic" calendar .

Only the ecclesiarchy wants a "god"-emperor.

Actually they ate Gryphone IV. Home of the Gryphone Titan legion, the most powerful titan legion ever. But the Tyranids ate it. Also it was the planet which had the STC of the Vanq cannon. And the tank desroyer gun.

Space_hoppo wrote:Actually they ate Gryphone IV. Home of the Gryphone Titan legion, the most powerful titan legion ever. But the Tyranids ate it. Also it was the planet which had the STC of the Vanq cannon. And the tank destroyer gun.

You forgot : Vanq= Stygies III pattern available !
Tech lost in M35 at tigrus,reinvented by gryphonne IV and stygies III.
Other FW try to be succesful.

Destroyer: FW's = Mars,stygies III,triplex phall,Tolkhan,esteban VII,Lucius,m'khand,voss prime.

As I know,Mars has a copy of almost every tech.

Mars will one day just Nuke earth. Lets face it, they should rule the galaxy, without them the Emp and his Imperial monkeys would have been stuck on earth and have no really nice big guns. Forth the age of the Mechanicum!

Age of the Mechanicum:

Starts when they find the "complete STC" horus offered them.

It'll be down the back of the sofa

The Emperors sofa. Beware of 10,000 year old pizza.