How screwed is the Imperium?

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**1hadhq**

Gangsta_Tau wrote:1hadhq, when i use the quote button the screens opens with errors.

So I is redeemed!!!

Anyway, the angry rapist Shas O is so awsome he disregards what arsenal you have!!!

But yeah, lets just say you lost and end the battle now

A awsome ignorant Shas O won't win,he just returns to the rank of shas ui

Remember,the

never loses,we just regroup to repair and refuel

Errors should be reported to admins

**Gangsta_Tau**

It only happens on the work pcs for some reason :S

Anyway! Silly imperials! The ethreals will make yous bend over yet!

**Storm Lord**

1hadhq wrote:
If the Imperium as uniting factor gets shattered,the civil war for power will just kill humanity.
No existing human force is strong enough to fight against the galaxy-wide threats alone.They really need each other.
Crush the Imperium = take SM + IG + Inq out of 40k as playable forces.Replace with some mercenaries or pirates.
Nothing will arise if a race has to rebuild so often as the humans did.

However if Humanity does loose a lot of land area it might well mean not all the races could get to them, if the eastern Fringe dies the Tau no longer have borders with the Imperium. if Cadia and the surrounding area dies, the Traitor Legions have to fight the Eldar and orks nearby to get to Terra. Collapse could benefit Humanity more than anything, all they need is one new strong leader to restart things from Terra, or similar planet capable of supporting a new empire and humanity can re-expand but this time do it right, with the Space Marines leading the way, but without primarchs to corrupt them and start civil war. The inquistition (or new version of) follows in their wake, destroying all taint on 'enlightened' worlds to prevent uprisings and keep an eye on the Space marines. The Imperial Guard can be used as large building teams, repairing planets and providing garrison troops incase they are needed to defend the new Human Frontiers.

from the Ashes humanity is reborn but without the carrion Emperor, unless they keep his body in a freezer as a momento of days passed.

**1hadhq**

Storm Lord wrote:
However if Humanity does loose a lot of land area it might well mean not all the races could get to them, if the eastern Fringe dies the Tau no longer have borders with the Imperium. if Cadia and the surrounding area dies, the Traitor Legions have to fight the Eldar and orks nearby to get to Terra.

Most imperiums fall really fast when their time comes and their downfall is (in terran history) unstoppable.

Collapse could benefit Humanity more than anything, all they need is one new strong leader to restart things from Terra, or similar planet capable of supporting a new empire and humanity can re-expand but this time do it right, with the Space Marines leading the way, but without primarchs to corrupt them and start civil war.

The important point is: new strong leader

somebody I have not seen yet and the existing organizations might take a
vacant throne as invitation to usurp themselves to power.

The inquistition (or new version of) follows in their wake, destroying all taint on 'enlightened' worlds to prevent uprisings and keep an eye on the Space marines. The Imperial Guard can be used as large building teams, repairing planets and providing garrison troops incase they are needed to defend the new Human Frontiers.

If you find a leader to hold control over Space Marines+Space Fleet+ Imperial Guard+Mechanicum this may be.

from the Ashes humanity is reborn but without the carrion Emperor, unless they keep his body in a freezer as a momento of days passed.

No my emporer won't end up as icy mummy

A renewed humanity will regain lost tech and keep him in a stasis-field.

**Storm Lord**

And by gaining new tech they can regain all that they lost during the age of strife-weapons of fearsome power that the Emperor banned can once again be used to further the interests of mankind.

As for needing a new leader, surely on of the 'Illuminate' (the daemon possesion freed people) would make an ideal candidate, knowing of the threats of Warp Space and would be able to deal with it accordingly. They even have Space Marines within thier numbers, making tham an even more viable force to take the reigns of humanity

**1hadhq**

Storm Lord wrote:And by gaining new tech they can regain all that they lost during the age of strife-weapons of fearsome power that the Emperor banned can once again be used to further the interests of mankind.

I would be almost happy if humanity regains a full STC

But some pre-age-of-Strife tech is so awesome,so wishable,that current tech looked like stone-age-tools in comparison.
The STC is low colony-survival tech , even a partly regain of what was lost could save mankind.

As for needing a new leader, surely on of the 'Illuminate' (the daemon possesion freed people) would make an ideal candidate, knowing of the threats of Warp Space and would be able to deal with it accordingly. They even have Space Marines within thier numbers, making tham an even more viable force to take the reigns of humanity

Former demon possesed may be possesed again or is there a rule to have only one possesion per lifetime ?
Could you explain who is this "illuminate" ? A group ? Heretics I should purge?

**Storm Lord**

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Illuminati

The Illuminati are a secret society - existing beyond even the Emperor's knowledge, but manipulating and interpreting the Imperial Will to bring about their objectives. Its members all share the same experience: they have been possessed by Daemons and then, either through the force of their own will or through outside assistance, have freed themselves. Sharing a mind with a daemon they have gained the most intimate understanding of Chaos. Having mastered the Chaos within themselves, they are immune to its temptations and corruption. They then fight Chaos in the broader universe and, as they share a common enemy, are frequently involved on some level with the Eldar, in particular the Harlequins. The Illuminati are some of very few allowed access to the Eldar's Black Library of Chaos. They know of the Fall of the Eldar, and seek to prevent the same from happening to Man.

The Illuminati are plotting to have the Emperor of Mankind reborn. They realize the Emperor is failing and cannot survive in his current state of living death forever. They plan to rejuvenate the Emperor by sacrificing his descendants, the Sensei, at the moment the Emperor's will finally fails. The Emperor will be reborn, as the Sensei-Emperor, to again lead humanity directly. Their plans are a carefully kept secret; should the Emperor learn their plan, he may see no reason to continue to endure, and allow himself to die prematurely. Should the Sensei learn they may be unwilling to meet their intended fate.

The Illuminati influence events to pave the way for the Emperor's rebirth, and gather together the Sensei, protecting them from the persecution of the Inquisition.

Certain factions of the Inquisition know of and strongly oppose the Illuminati, fearing the Illuminati's plans are influenced by Chaos. They have been known to destroy cells of the Illuminati on several occasions. The Illuminati themselves are engaged in a campaign of disinformation and confusion against these factions of the Inquisition, in order to protect the Sensei.

Many Illuminati are also Inquisitors, which gives the brotherhood much more power and influence. One of the more proactive ways the brotherhood gains members is by illuminating others, subjecting the most promising individuals to daemonic possession and then freeing them.

It has been claimed that the entire Adeptus Custodes are Sensei under Illuminati control, but this has not been verified and is highly unlikely.

Hope that answers your questions. So you can see they would be perfect to lead humanity, even if the Emperor fully died, they'd just not have to worry about the Star Child Theory anymore. Their knowledge of Chaos and the Daemons it uses would make it harder for the Chaos Gods to get a grip on humanity-hopefully allowing it to grow free of corruption and heresy. And with their knowledge of the Black library they might well know of Humanities past failings and those of other races and be able to prevent history from repeating itself- or even froge an alliance with the Eldar, to the mutual benefit of both races.
The entire Space Marine chapter the Exorcists have been possessed by daemons and freed, and can therefore be said to be "Illuminated", but they have no connection to the Illuminati brotherhood.

**1hadhq**

Yes this answers the question,thanks.

Is old fluff (1st or 2nd edition) today usable?
A company (GW) could change or drop something in newer editions and I'venever heard from"starchild"or"Illuminati" in 3rd,4th or 5th ed.
Maybe the actual fluff replaces the old fluff like rulebooks does it with rules?

**Storm Lord**

I think this was fluff either from an old edition that has never been replaced, and so is still valid. Or was mentioned in some sorce book soemwhere along the lines, maybe one of the Inquisitor books (the none 40k codex ones) and the old Realms of Chaos book (whatever the 40k one was called) regardless of this-whilst it isn't the best known of fluff is still considered valid and the rare person has attempted to make an army from the fluff.

**Gazzdag**

Humanity has always been screwed.

**ixlar**

The Imperium will continue on in some form. Don't forget that humans are very adaptable. You'll never get rid of the humans, not all together. Plus, we really like to breed, so the numbers will always grow. But I do see the Imperium taking a few more major hits.