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Why? They faced similar threats in the past, when they were weaker. I'd argue that the only thing that has ever successfully defeated humanity is humanity itself. They're just letting the xenos get cocky so their fall is that much greater.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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jfrazell wrote:Yes just because the AM couldn't reverse engineer their way out of a paper bag don't think everyone are in that bad a shape

Even without Necron tech, just think what would happen if a moderately advanced planet/system rediscovers the scientific method or even semi-modern manufacturing techniques. There are massive numbers of examples of DAOT they could start with, plus lots of xenos scum technology.

Visualize:
*Warships produced at a rate akin to the US naval production in WWII.
*Troops armed not with lasgun tech, but plasma/melta weaponry or reverse engineered ion rifles/shuricats.
*Leman Russ II Main Battle Skimmer.

Today it looks like the Imperium is screwed,but its only a decoy to lure others in a false safety.
At his full strength,all xeno are screwed!

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That's part of what I'm saying, eventually the imperium will tear itself apart in a flurry of infighting and false accusation.

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The Emperor is Mortal.

When he dies, the Astronomicon goes out and humans can no longer use interstellar travel.

Eventually the Emperor will die of old age, if not some other more direct cause, and unless he leaves a successor of like power humanity is surely doomed.

This leaves the galaxy to the space fairing races. Eldar, Tau Tyranids and Necrons. It seems most likely that the Tyranids are the sure winners there for numbers alone, particularly when the imperium can no longer hold them off in the galaxy.
   
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PS Orks can't make interstellar ships, while fierce, they are a non factor. It's amazing they have not been exterminated yet (especially given the status of their last codex) by one of the space fairing races.
   
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Greebynog wrote:That's part of what I'm saying, eventually the imperium will tear itself apart in a flurry of infighting and false accusation.


Sounds like your average family reunion

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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The Great State of Texas

Augustus wrote:The Emperor is Mortal.

When he dies, the Astronomicon goes out and humans can no longer use interstellar travel.

Eventually the Emperor will die of old age, if not some other more direct cause, and unless he leaves a successor of like power humanity is surely doomed.

This leaves the galaxy to the space fairing races. Eldar, Tau Tyranids and Necrons. It seems most likely that the Tyranids are the sure winners there for numbers alone, particularly when the imperium can no longer hold them off in the galaxy.


The difficulty with that theory-while an excellent strategy-is that in the long run humanity can re-adjust. Humanity was plying the stars in the DAOT before the Astrolasgun. In fact, this might speed my argument. By cutting off vast segments, it creates a plethora of laboratories to re-start scientific advancement. And then Whammo! (TM) here comes the new crusade.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Augustus wrote:The Emperor is Mortal.


Is he? Given that he was born 48,000 years before the present-day of Warhammer 40K, I doubt it.

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Well yea he is. He is stuck in the Golden throne to keep his body alive he eats psykers every day.

Right?

Someone back me up here!
   
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MinMax wrote:
Augustus wrote:The Emperor is Mortal.

He just missed "IM"mortal


Is he? Given that he was born 48,000 years before the present-day of Warhammer 40K, I doubt it.

Details? You know his birthday exact?

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I'm going on the idea of humanity reinventing itself through the destruction of the Imperium.

The isolation of human worlds through the Emperor's death, or even just the falling of the Ecclesiarchy, would be enough to bring about a second dawn of technology in the re-envisioned Imperium.


I dunno... I imagined the sept guarding the Perdus rift would wear the same black armour as Ulthwe eldar. Maybe being in close proximity to the warp makes you emo.

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1. Augustus is correct. He is either or life support to the Nth power or he's actually dead.

2. Yes indeed, its almost nurglike in its simplicity, through death will come the rebirth of humanity.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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This thread is filled with more heretics than a Michael Bolton Concert.

Have faith in the Imperium. Fear not the Xeno, the Mutant, or the Heretic because the Imperium is protected by Fluff Space Marines which are INFINITELY more powerful than Game Space Marines.

We better start exalting praise for the Emperor before we attract some unwanted attention...


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The Emperor could be killed quite quickly if the Ctan did get round to shutting off the Warp, his Corpse int eh Material realm, couldn't really work to good when his soul in the warp gets shut off from him. Its like getting a computer to work without Electricity.

And if that happens all human psykers die, making interplanetary travel and communication really really hard. Age of Strife M2 here we come!

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I got a look at the new rulebook, especially the timeline, and yes, I'd say the imperium is majorly srewed. For example, the golden throne might be broken, and the techpriests can't fix it. Oh dear...

   
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No,the imperium is not screwed.Its obvious that a "dark,grim future,eternal war" background is written
by gw at the cost of someone,the audience can feel with.
Humans have a better imagination of the feelings of other humans than xenos.
If you Look at some codices,this "were the best and winning" is in every one of them.
Take the full series of dex and you'llsee this "promoting a great future"in the backgroundpages.
So, all are happy because they will win and all are screwd
because they loose.Nobody can be 100% victorious,so everyone could be screwed

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What?
   
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On a side note, although it would be nice and quite interesting to see something "significant" change in either the 40K or Fantasy world, nothing serious will ever change. When I worked for GW we were at a meeting and that's what a higher up told us, nothing significant will change and the results of all these summer campaigns are already pre-determined.

And so, due to rising costs of maintaining the Golden Throne, the Emperor's finest accountants spoke to the Demigurg. A deal was forged in blood and extensive paperwork for a sub-prime mortgage with a 5/1 ARM on the Imperial Palace. And lo, in the following years the housing market did tumble and the rate skyrocketed leaving the Emperor's coffers bare. A dark time has begun for the Imperium, the tithes can not keep up with the balloon payments and the Imperial Palace and its contents, including the Golden Throne, have fallen into foreclosure. With an impending auction on the horizon mankind holds its breath as it waits to see who will gain possession of the corpse-god and thus, the fate of humanity...... 
   
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I find it hard to vote as from a GW point of view, each race has been designed to be the ultimate antagonist to every race and can never defeated unless this this and this blah blah blah, you get the drift.

So IMHO, if all that fluff was set aside for a while and common sense prevails, this is what i think would happen


Orks
Although they would swamp the universe if they ever united I don't think they could stay united for long enough to do anything due to their waring tendencies. I imagine that their race would slowly dwindle into small warbands of pirates, they aren't smart enough to stay hidden away. But they would never be truely extinct.

Tau
Although technologically advance and in some ways superior. They have taken on more than they can chew in terms of enemies and would be pushed back into their part of the galaxy and unable to expand their teritory

Necrons
Hidden away dorment in planets, I would guess that as things came to a close they would be unable to compete with the increasing numbers of enemies now controlling their worlds and would eventually remain hidden, waiting for another oppurtunity to try again.

Dark Eldar
They might be mean an evil but they are also intelligent, I would imagine that as everything came to a close they would still be around, only suviving by raiding and plundering where they can but would not be threat to any of the remaining races.

Eldar
A dying dwindling race, but also the most intelligent (non warp) race, they would suvive, and in the battles to come would join together to push the advantage. i believe that this race would definatly suvive but their numbers would have been dwindled slightly.

Chaos
I believe the days of Chaos are numbered, against the onslaught of so many enemies they would eventually sucumb and be unable to wage war as they once did. I would see that every couple of millenia the forces of chaos would have recovered enough forces and would attempt to wage war again in huge numbers meaning there would never be a true end to war in the universe.

Space Marines
Their numbers will be heavy hit in the fighting extent that Space Marines would never truely be a power again in the universe. Even if the Emporer did recover to lead his people the Marines would still take the brunt of the fighting and thus be greatly damaged .

Imperials(SOB, Guard, Inquist, etc)
The numbers of the Imperium are countless, so out of all the races, Humans would stand tall against all others, or at least stand slightly taller. The losses to the Imperium would huge! But in the grand scheme the losses wouldn't be enough to stop the Human race from suviving.

Tyranids
I imagine that the Tyranids would remain the greatest threat to the universe. Like the Chaos they have the chance and the time to rebuild and war again and again. This race I believe will always be a huge threat, but would never rule the galaxy.


the End Game
As everything comes to a cresendo, I would like to believe a little common sense would seep in. The Imperium, Marines, Eldar and Tau would form a loose, and I mean LOOSE alliance to fight off the aggressors. On the otherside would be Chaos and Dark Eldar.

Necrons, Tyranid and Orks all fight for their own agenda so if they did ally they would keep back stabbing each other.

As all the enemies are defeated one by one I have no doubt that the loose alliance would become void and Imperials and Marines would begin fighting the Eldar and Tau, most likely started by the xenophobic Imperials.

In the End End Game, i would believe that Eldar would most likely Flee to the far reaches of the galaxy away from the Imperium and Tau. The Marines would be too few numbers to pose any threat. The Tau may be all but extinct as even they cannot compete with the full might of the imperium.

As for the Imperials ... well ... An educated guess would say that the Imperials would end up in a bitter civil war, starting the cycle again. It seems nigh impossible that any one race would become extinct due to the size a universe actually is.


In Closing
After all the dust settles and all the battle are fought, I imagine that it would be the Imperium that comes up on top, even if it is battered and bruised. I can't see that the Imperium would ever run out of people to fight as each race would keep coming back until the Imperium finds a way to safely attack or close the eye of terror or the homeworlds of the Tyranids are destroyed. But the Imperium would now have a strong hold of the universe despite this.

Thanks for Reading...

I hope that my little bit of fiction has been interesting or at least amusing to read. It has been written without any bias to any race using my own understanding of them, I play Marines, Tau and Orks after all, and none of them have a happy ending, hehe

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Will quickly add...

The above was derived with the assumptions that the Emperor does not return as the Star Child God, the C'Tan don't seal the Warp, The Chaos Gods Don't consume the blahdy blah blah and so on and so on. As I didn't think it would happen in all likelyhood.

 
   
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from a GW point of view it wouldn't happen sadly. Thats the one problem I have with 40K iot doesn't feel like it's actually going any where. I understand why, so as not to upset anyone or break armies-but it would be nice if they did an expansion, maybe 50k just to show what actually does happen in their future-even if it doesn't effect the game itself.

Just to contradict myself, in some of the codexes-like tau they do appear to move forward in time (Shadow sun and the Third sphere expansions and useage of vespid) Yet the time frame on the whole never moves forward.

And mattyboy22, now i'm just cross with GW for fixing the results of Summer Campains, it makes me wonder what th e point of posting results is-or even why they run them

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Many codices were released with a campaign (armageddon,black crusade) but
none of them did any changes at the background or timescale.
Far worse, some armylists of these dex got obsolete (BT,SA,latd) !
IMHO campaigns achieved nothing for the background.

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Storm Lord:

It's not that the results are fixed, it's that the campaign outcome is pre-determined. For example, GW had already determined that no matter what, the "bad guys" are defeated and retreat to lick their wounds and the "good guys", although sustaining heavy losses have won the day.

All those percentages you see about who's winning what sector are based on real reporting (except maybe for places like Caliban and whatnot that would have a possibly significant fluff result).

Again, the only thing that is planned out is who will win and what heroic characters will die (ie, Valten). Nothing can really change because people's armies will be invalidated. What would have happened if Eldrad activated the Blackstone Fortress for it's "intended purpose" and destroyed the C'tan? No more Necrons which means possible lost revenue and complaints.

So what's the point? Well, people certainly do get jazzed up about these things and add stuff to thier armies for all the super mega-battles and whatnot. Plus, they get to release campaign books with army lists that are new or tend to feature low selling models as a main component (Slayer Army or Black Orc Army anyone?, I know I sold a few complete armies to cusomters and had to put inextra orders for things we almost NEVER sold). Also, if you pass by a GW store and see thirty people going nuts during one the the big campaign games, aren't you more likely to check out what's going on rather then when it's the four regulars playing?

Summer campaings are all about getting players active. Whether that means buying more stuff, dragging some friends in, or pulling more people passing by into the store, they seem to work for GW.

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And so, due to rising costs of maintaining the Golden Throne, the Emperor's finest accountants spoke to the Demigurg. A deal was forged in blood and extensive paperwork for a sub-prime mortgage with a 5/1 ARM on the Imperial Palace. And lo, in the following years the housing market did tumble and the rate skyrocketed leaving the Emperor's coffers bare. A dark time has begun for the Imperium, the tithes can not keep up with the balloon payments and the Imperial Palace and its contents, including the Golden Throne, have fallen into foreclosure. With an impending auction on the horizon mankind holds its breath as it waits to see who will gain possession of the corpse-god and thus, the fate of humanity...... 
   
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MinMax wrote:
Augustus wrote:The Emperor is Mortal.

He just missed "IM"mortal


Is he? Given that he was born 48,000 years before the present-day of Warhammer 40K, I doubt it.

Details? You know his birthday exact?

The Emperor was born in the 8th millennium BC, in central Anatolia.

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Methinks that the imperium will be on the brink of extinction but then the emporor comes back to life.... Ya I hope it dosen't happen.

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@minmax:
In central anatolia = "çatal hüyük" or any other pre-agricultural settlement?
Where did you find this Information?

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Mattyboy22:

Thanks for the update, I though you meant who actually won gaming wise was fixed, my bad for misinterpreting that. I just wish it would have some proper influence on the background and future, or that the 'good guys' wouldn't always win. It gets boring eventually

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In the new book all the background talks about the coming of 'the end time'. Doesn't bode well for man.

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End time - bad move for the background story.
If gw upscales the menace to much,they immobilize themself.
:S

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In reality it'll just be to get people talking about where GW will go next. No doubt in 6th ed they'll say Mankind reigns supreme and all the Xeno races are in for the end times!

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