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HBMC, I count 31 russes and variants there. So you need to get 9 of the *new* russes! Problem solved!

I don't know how you count 31, unless you're counting the Bombard that is (it is a Russ Hull).

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no Salamander?

Sadly no. I would've thought it'd make a great Command Squad transport if they'd given it a transpot capacity of 5 or 6.

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Since when does Imperial technology get to catch up with Tau's? I say, that's a lot of ST 10 AP 1 I see in that "leaked" sheet. Next you'll be telling me they have skimmers too!

Oh wait...

Oh Salamanders
Why have you been forsaken?
Bite me Games Workshop.

Theyve always had st. 10 ap1. If you count forgeworld there is nothing new here really that is st10.

Also, I think the demolisher got nerfed. I couldve sworn it used to be ap1.

no, i remember when I bought a demolisher, back in 3rd edition,

my first tank ever

so excited

and it was ap2, i'm sure of it

Yup. AP2.

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Well silly me, maybe I was thinking of the bombard.

"Oh Salamanders
Why have you been forsaken?
Bite me Games Workshop"

@ubermosher

i do beleive you're being sarcastic!
i'm seriously hurting here!

Samuel L wouldn't be happy either:

"there's too many M*****F****** Russ variants
in this M*****F****** reference sheet!"

"Since when does Imperial technology get to catch up with Tau's? I say, that's a lot of ST 10 AP 1 I see in that "leaked" sheet. Next you'll be telling me they have skimmers too!

Oh wait..."
Quote: synchronicity

Tau stuff is slick, fancy and minaturised, efficient, and very powerfull. Imperial stuff is massive bulky ridiculously ineficient but very powerfull in order to make up for it.

kinda like the difrence in US and Soviet gear in the cold war. US allways made better stuff, but it wasnt neseceraly more powerfull. Soviets made some ridiculously powerfull stuff, but they were deathtraps that broke down or ate their crews( T-72 auto loader could mistake drivers for shells).

Just so you all know. The demolisher cannon is still AP 2. Look at the french pics. it is a typo.

As for the demolisher cannon... screw that. My bread and butter is going to be the excutioner. Heavy 3 plasma cannon...oh and what are those on the side of my leman russ...thats right more plasma cannons. 5 str 7 ap2 shots blasts...yes please...Assuming it is like the demolisher that is.

edit for typos

edit for the word blast. I really shouldnt be trying to post and do my job at the same time.

AlfredTheStrange wrote:Tau stuff is slick, fancy and minaturised, efficient, and very powerfull. Imperial stuff is massive bulky ridiculously ineficient but very powerfull in order to make up for it.

Heresy! Since when is a ST 10 AP 1 Ordinance blast inefficient?

I kid. I'm glad to see a shootie army in an assaulty edition.

synchronicity wrote:

AlfredTheStrange wrote:Tau stuff is slick, fancy and minaturised, efficient, and very powerfull. Imperial stuff is massive bulky ridiculously ineficient but very powerfull in order to make up for it.

Heresy! Since when is a ST 10 AP 1 Ordinance blast inefficient?

I kid. I'm glad to see a shootie army in an assaulty edition.

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lol, it's inefficient because, if the tau made it, it'd be mounted on a broadside and have two shots instead of trucked on a tank and one shot.

Plasma cannons on tanks sound good assuming that you don't have to roll for Gets Hot. I don't have my rulebook handy, does the Ordnance rule clarify this?

I really don't know where to begin here. I had vowed to sell off my guard army in a previous post if they took away the variation that made the IG the IG. Specifically things like Drug-Addicted parachuting conscript legions with close combat weapons have always been what made me happy with the IG codex. Getting blown off the table on the other hand... 50% win/loss aside I like the old codex. This new special character Bull-Schwacky makes me kind of queezy and I feel the only cure may be baby punching. My SC disgust aside there are more tanks than you can shake a power fist at on this list!!! My only complaint with these tanks is fairly invalid but I'll lodge it anyways: I ordered 2 executioner turrets from forgeworld a couple weeks back because in IA3 they are a 54" 7/2 large blast! AP2 w/ 54" Range!!! it's nice that I'll have the new turret when the new book comes out but It is getting nerfed at the same time. And I wanted a salamander command vehicle cuz it's a vehicle that counts as your HQ and that is frakkin cool.

I don't think Executioners were ever Large Blast. I know because I've always regarded the Executioner as completely pointless . It costs more than a Russ yet has less effect - it was a typical Forge World unit: Overcosted and underpowered.

This Executioner is better. Way better. Almost 3 times better! And my Executioner, with the Sponson Plasma Cannons and Hull Plasma Cannon is now even better than it was beore!!!

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The executioner was never a Large Blast cannon.

Basically what they are doing is cutting it's range to 36" and tripling it's RoF.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't think Executioners were ever Large Blast. I know because I've always regarded the Executioner as completely pointless . It costs more than a Russ yet has less effect - it was a typical Forge World unit: Overcosted and underpowered.

This Executioner is better. Way better. Almost 3 times better! And my Executioner, with the Sponson Plasma Cannons and Hull Plasma Cannon is now even better than it was beore!!!

BYE

I had to read that twice... you said HULL plasma cannon? did you scratch that or is it available somewhere?

Back when GW Mail Order had a point, and their bitz service was up and running, I ordered an extra Demolisher Cannon Sponson Plasma Cannon bit (I had got 13 Russes from BWB, but was turning most of them into Exterminators and Demolishers, hence the bitz orders).

I was planning on getting an Executioner later down the line, and knew I wanted to do an 'All Plasma' tank for my Company Commander (it's the Tallarn FW Tank Commander guy with the speaker and the laspistol). So I took all three plasma bitz that I had spare, put them into a single kit and made the ultra Plasma Tank of Ultimate Plasma-y Doom.

It's not in any way legal, but it's cool.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:There needs to be a line drawn, or a mission statement that says either "We will release kits for everything" or "We won't be doing kits for all entries". Either statement is a win for the players, because it at least gives us something to work with.

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Wasn't the latter option the one Jervis announced just before Dark Angels? Glad they essentially dumped that...

As for the rest, there is a buttload of redundancy in the options, I agree. Points costs will become a deciding factor in the race to see if any of this is broken.

OHHHHHHH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




goo IN MY PANTS!!!!


lol at censored word.

H.B.M.C. wrote: So I took all three plasma bitz that I had spare, put them into a single kit and made the ultra Plasma Tank of Ultimate Plasma-y Doom.

It's not in any way legal, but it's cool.
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When it comes to apoc anything goes really.

One thing I was considering, I really don't think the KP issue will be addressed at all. Considering the Codex is already being translated into French/Spanish, the Codex must have been finished around the end of last year. This means the writing of the Codex probably started around the launch of 5th edition, and I doubt the complaints of the KP system to the design staff would have got there in time.

aka_mythos wrote:

I've never understood the fascination of taking one of these preconceived power gamer lists and building your army around it. You might as well buy a boxed army, because you're cheating yourself out of the satisfaction of winning something entirely on your own. On the flip side, I've seen people who were so poor at playing no power gamer list could help them.

As the guy who has brought you most of the true power builds over the years, I feel mostly to blame for what has become. Little did I know that my creations (LaTD Daemon Spam, Assault Cannon Spam, Schaeffers Last Chancers/ Deep Strike Spam, Nob Bikers, Battlewagon Spam, Salamanders..... to name a few ) would spread so far and wide (you dirty copiers) that they would be affecting other flgs.

So.. with that being said, I will back cracking the IG Codex..... so far, from what I've read, none of you have figured out what appears to me to be the best way to do a guard army.... keep trying. When the points costs come out, we'll see who can beat me to it

Anung Un Rama wrote:I assume the "Fusil à pompe" is a shotgun. Which is a crying shame, because it still has the same bad stats. At least Marines got a S4 shotgun. With AP3 hellguns, stormtroopers won't even consider this option. And here I was hoping they finally put Arbites in the book *sigh*

Wasn't there also a lot of buzz about Inquisitors in this book?

I'm pretty sure "Penal Legionaires" are arbites.

Penal Legionaires will be Penal Legionaires. Guardsmen sentenced to serve in a Penal Legion for their crimes.

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Penal legionnaires have 5+ save. Arbites have carapace.
They have curiously high leadership for a convict formation. There are a few ways I can think of to justify that, but it's odd that the basic legionnaire would have Ld8 when nearly every other squad reserves that for their sergeant.

The astropath has a really low Ld for a psyker.

Hmmm... then what is "Penal Guard"?

Hmmm.. Looking at the page reference, it's prolly the legionaires sergeant..... who knows, the "Penal Guard" could be the Arbite assigned to watching the legionaires