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And a Pintle Heavy Stubber. That's 29 St5 and 3 St4 Shots a turn per tank.

fill HS with them for a impressive:

87 S5 shots and 9 S4 shots

so, whats that do to a unit of boyz?
and possibly biker nob problem solved?

Thats not really going to dent nob bikers. Not that IG will have a problem with them once they can start tossing out 5+ insta killing, FNP ignoring pie plates a turn.

Aside form hijacking some tanks and troops for my lost and the damned army way back when, I don't have a lot of experience playing guard. Against them sure, but I don't use the army.

However, this army list looks like they have the firepower bite they needed. I came from other strategy games before I got into 40k, and I always wondered why the "firepower" army was probably one of the worst at shooting stuff.

So, I can't really find anything wrong with this list. Guard players are one of the few types of players (orks as well) who had cheerfully (minimal whining) stuck with their god awful army through the horrible age of 4th edition. I feel they are being rewarded with a worthy codex.

Their troops still suck, their charging elements are still tame, but at least they got cheaper and their guns will actually cause some sort of damage on the battle field.

I think this is going to be a good codex for the game, and it will be nice to have the alleged kings of ranged combat/horrible CC be back in the game - fulfilling their intended role.

But who am I kidding, I bet rough riders and chimeras full of Ogryns with attached fist commisars will be all the rage.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Again, why don't we wait till they actually announce the new IG Codex and do a write up. For all we know, in the designers notes on the IG codex they may say, "Boy, we can't wait to release these new LR variants!!"

Mate, they just had an Open Day where they showed off new models but wouldn't even state which ones were being released when the Guard Codex comes out. And open day. Did you miss that?

BYE

An open day doesn't mean they are going to tell you what their marketing plan is for the next 18 months. Hell, they still may not know what their marketing plan is for the next 18 months. All I'm asking is you wait till May to get your knickers in a bunch. Hell, I may join you then!

Ozymandias, King of Kings

i know, but if you were taking 3 of these then pie plates are not about.

and im sure it would do more than a dent.

JD21290 wrote:i know, but if you were taking 3 of these then pie plates are not about.

and im sure it would do more than a dent.

80 shots
40 hits
20 wounds
10 saves from turbo boosting
5 FNP saves

5 Wounds

You won't even kill a single bike.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Little Jervis probably grew his hair long, got interested in girls and trashed all his models

It's amazing what a great little female body and a couple of beers ready to hand can do to a paint schedule.

Ozymandias wrote:An open day doesn't mean they are going to tell you what their marketing plan is for the next 18 months. Hell, they still may not know what their marketing plan is for the next 18 months. All I'm asking is you wait till May to get your knickers in a bunch. Hell, I may join you then!

Actually, as much as I think HBMC is trolling when he complains about not having specific models for Veterans, he has a point about the wall of silence regarding the new codex.

Given the extent to which GW is looking back to the 2nd Ed. codex and trying to shake up Guard, it's entirely possible that sponsons will be mandatory for Leman Russes. If so, I would like to know this sooner rather than later; I'm not going to buy or assemble anything without (at a minimum) the guarantee that the new model will still be a legal entry in the new codex. I just finished painting up three more 2nd Ed. style HW teams. Now I'm suddenly concerned that I'm going to have to re-base them.

It would be nice to know what the deal is; it's not going to hurt GW in the slightest to reveal some fundamental basics, and would build a lot of goodwill. Not to sound all cliched, but it would be one of those "win-win" scenarios that businesses are supposed to cultivate.

ShumaGorath wrote:Welcome to playing orks and tyranids. Sometimes you just have to assume that a couple of straws and a dremmel will be your only option.

What model in the Tyranid range isn't available?

ShumaGorath wrote:You need to go outside, start a garden or something. Get some patience.

You need to stop ending posts with personal insults.

BYE

Yes, it seems like a cornucopia of tanks at first. An overabundance maybe. But isn't that better than being codex CSM'd?

Dave47 wrote:Actually, as much as I think HBMC is trolling...

You need to learn the definition of trolling my friend.

Dave47 wrote:Given the extent to which GW is looking back to the 2nd Ed. codex and trying to shake up Guard, it's entirely possible that sponsons will be mandatory for Leman Russes...

Oh God... I hadn't thought of that.

I've got... 11 Russes that don't have Sponsons, 4 of them for my Vanquishers, one of them for my Annihilator, and then 3 w/Hull HBs and 3 w/Hull LCs (yes, I'm OCD enough to have WYSIWYG models for each possible combination of Russ). Other than the fact that the Russ looks betting without Sponsons, it would be terrible if they change that.

I'm going to carry on thinking that Sponsons will be optional. Damn you Dave47 for putting that horrid thought in my head!!!

ph34r wrote:Yes, it seems like a cornucopia of tanks at first. An overabundance maybe. But isn't that better than being codex CSM'd?

An excellent point.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dave47 wrote:Actually, as much as I think HBMC is trolling...

You need to learn the definition of trolling my friend.

I usually like your posts. You're one of the names I recognize from back when I used to post on Dakka years and years ago, I like players who appreciate the Imperial Guard, and I think any fanboy-centric community needs a healthy dollop of cynicism.

But would you really be happy if GW released an official set of Hardened Veterans? Or would you just rant and rant about how you wanted your Veterans to match your troops, and this was just an obvious attempt by GW to charge you $30 for a set of five Imperial Guardsmen when you were perfectly capable of converting your own / using your old RT Guardsmen / using Necromunda miniatures / coming up with some other way to designate "veteran" status?

In my view, the line between playing devil's advocate and trolling is a fine one.

BrookM wrote:

AlexCage wrote:Oh and just an aside, has Colonel Straken always had a 3+ save? I'm not familiar with his rules. Holy crap!

Straken has such a high save due to his bionic chest. Something to do with wrestling a Miral Landshark and losing.

Sorry, took me a while to dig out my Catachan Codex. Yeah, Straken's got a good save due to his bionics - it's also why he's got S6. But he never had a 3+ save before now. That's definitely new. I'm hoping that he'll get rules similar to those that let him count Catachan Devils as Troops. It'd be pretty sweet for an army he leads to get to use Hardened Vets as troops (particularly if they can take Valks as dedicated transports!)

Granted, I was really hoping for a Catachan special character with a rule titled "I Ain't Got Time To Bleed" which would give him FNP...

It's good to see guard getting a boost.

In other news, my CSM are scared.

I solved the vet issue easily myself.. regular newbie guardsmen just get armor and a gun, vets get backpacks and canteens and other doodads

Death By Monkeys wrote:It'd be pretty sweet for an army he leads to get to use Hardened Vets as troops (particularly if they can take Valks as dedicated transports!)

Granted, I was really hoping for a Catachan special character with a rule titled "I Ain't Got Time To Bleed" which would give him FNP...

yeah, the original action star governor would have been cool for a mini. as for straken, i hope he doesn't allow the elite junglefighters to take valks as that's totally against the fluff! bunnies died to make up the catachan fluff! in all seriousness, catachans are billed as the guys who can survive the deadliest jungle with just a dull knife and a single book of matches; getting dropped off by their mommy doesn't go with that.

Dave47 wrote:I usually like your posts. You're one of the names I recognize from back when I used to post on Dakka years and years ago, I like players who appreciate the Imperial Guard, and I think any fanboy-centric community needs a healthy dollop of cynicism.

Well someone's gotta make up for for the rampant sycophantism that goes on here. If not me then who else?

Dave47 wrote:But would you really be happy if GW released an official set of Hardened Veterans? Or would you just rant and rant about how you wanted your Veterans to match your troops, and this was just an obvious attempt by GW to charge you $30 for a set of five Imperial Guardsmen when you were perfectly capable of converting your own / using your old RT Guardsmen / using Necromunda miniatures / coming up with some other way to designate "veteran" status?

Putting it that way, yeah, I wouldn't want it. But I think the Command Squad box will actually cover us here. But for the rest of stuff, the tanks, yeah, we do need to know if we're ever going to get those.

Dave47 wrote:In my view, the line between playing devil's advocate and trolling is a fine one.

Trolling would imply I post looking only for a reaction. Now I do post to gain a reaction, but that's only part of it.

BYE

Now I must take Sly Marbo, and have a Leman Russ Punisher with a "Punisher Skull" painted on the front follow him around.

These rumors are renewing my faith in GW.

22 tanks? Doth mine eyes deceive me?

God, what am I gonna use to model a Deathstrike? Rockets! With super-powered mutant gunners, yes, yes! *leaves rumbling his hands and mumbling ala Professor Farnsworth*

Durandal wrote:Now I must take Sly Marbo, and have a Leman Russ Punisher with a "Punisher Skull" painted on the front follow him around.

But Stallone wasn't in Predator...

What a nice day to be guard but now im disapointed... its like i opened my present before cristmas and killed half of the fun.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dave47 wrote:I usually like your posts. You're one of the names I recognize from back when I used to post on Dakka years and years ago, I like players who appreciate the Imperial Guard, and I think any fanboy-centric community needs a healthy dollop of cynicism.

Well someone's gotta make up for for the rampant sycophantism that goes on here. If not me then who else?

See, I thought I was here to make up for all the cynicism in this place!

Since Toreador hasn't been seen in ages someone's gotta do it.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well someone's gotta make up for for the rampant sycophantism that goes on here. If not me then who else?

HMBC can do it for us, like he always has!

Man, just when I think I "finally" have my Rogue Trader army figured out, GW does this.

ph34r wrote:Yes, it seems like a cornucopia of tanks at first. An overabundance maybe. But isn't that better than being codex CSM'd?

Codex: CSM -- as powerful as it is -- is looking lamer all the time.

I have a feeling opinions here will shift away from boundless optimism once we start seeing points values. But I'll give GW credit -- I really expected something straightforward and bland a la the 3rd ed. IG codex Mk.1. Even if a lot of things aren't "optimal," it looks like it'll be a fun codex with enough decent options to allow some variety.

temprus wrote:HMBC can do it for us, like he always has!

On my life I will find HMBC one day, and he'll wish he'd never been misspelt!!!

temprus wrote:Man, just when I think I "finally" have my Rogue Trader army figured out, GW does this.

Isn't that always the way with GW games though? I mean I thought I was done buying Russes and Artillery...

BYE

I'm thinking of picking up a couple of these to built a Deathstrike or 2.


1/35 SOVIET SA-2 GUIDELINE MISSILE WITH LAUNCHER

Because I love Apocalypse and unlimited range.

HBMC: don't oyu have 2 more russes to round out your last company?

grizgrin wrote:HBMC: don't oyu have 2 more russes to round out your last company?

My Companies are rounded already. They look like this:

Main Company
Company Command Vanquisher w/LC
Squadron Command Vanquisher w/LC
Russ w/LC + 2HBs
Russ w/LC + 2HBs
Squadron Command Vanquisher w/LC
Russ w/LC + 2HBs
Russ w/LC + 2HBs
Squadron Command Vanquisher w/LC
Russ w/LC + 2HBs
Russ w/LC + 2HBs

Oddball Company
Company Command Annihilator w/LC
Squadron Command Exterminator w/3 HBs
Exterminator w/3 HBs
Exterminator w/3 HBs
Squadron Command Demolisher w/LC + 2MMs
Demolisher w/LC + 2PCs
Demolisher w/LC + 2PCs
Squadron Command Demolisher w/LC + 2MMs
Demolisher w/LC + 2PCs
Demolisher w/LC + 2PCs

Reserve Company
Company Command Executioner w/3 Plasma Cannons (he's cool... or hot I guess)
Squadron Command Russ w/LC
Russ w/LC
Russ w/LC
Squadron Command Russ w/HB
Russ w/HB
Russ w/HB
Squadron Command Russ w/3 HBs
Russ w/3 HBs
Russ w/3 HBs

Artillery Company
Company Command Basilisk w/Enclosed Top (it's the FW one)
Squadron Command Basilisk
Basilisk
Basilisk
Squadron Command Manticore
Manticore
Manticore
Squadron Command Bombard
Griffon
Griffon

Super Heavy Regiment
Regimental Command Shadow Sword [Waiting for Plastic Kit]
Company Command Baneblade
Baneblade
Baneblade
Company Command Hellhammer
Stormblade
[Something from the new kit when it's out]
Company Command Macharius w/Vanquisher Cannons
Macharius w/Battlecannons
Macharius w/VMB

And then somewhere in there there's 12 Chimeras, 3 Hellhounds and 20-something Sentinels.

I don't want nor need more tanks, but were I to get any of the new ones, I would have to get 10, as I cannot have an incomplete company.

BYE

Now THAT's the sort of problem I WISH I had!

Platuan4th wrote:I'm thinking of picking up a couple of these to built a Deathstrike or 2.


1/35 SOVIET SA-2 GUIDELINE MISSILE WITH LAUNCHER

Because I love Apocalypse and unlimited range.

Excellent idea! Perhaps even just using the missile and a Basilisk platform for the launcher, for tournament/ard boy use?


Also: I'm pretty sure that many tanks makes HBMC a Warmaster or Lord Solar at this point. I thought my five Russes was considerable...