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I guess I still don't see why it's so horrible GW does not promote other hobby products or rules sets. I'm sure the local Ford dealers have never had car buyers in there looking at cars and asking "How come you don't have Chevy's for sale? Do you think your cars are the only cars on the road?". Only time a Ford salesman will acknowledge Chevy is when they compare them, like "Ford has better safety features than a comparably priced Chevy", not "Well you know, our Ford Ranger is a good pickup but have you given consideration to a Chevy S10?"

I also think it's unfair to label people who don't embrace other systems/mode lines as "noobs" or "gw purists who are afraid to look elsewhere." I'm all for trying new things but at the end of the day I prefer GW's miniature sculpts, I prefer the fluff for the 40k universe more than any other universe and I prefer the background for the armies I own.

No other system captures the feeling I want like GW's system does. The rules aren't perfect but no rules set will as humans aren't perfect and as long as "TFG" reads the YMDC section of the forums there will always be loopholes and easter eggs to be found in ANY GW rules publication because it seems as if people who have nothing better to do with their time do that to entertain themselves or find another reason to hate GW.

I do support other companies products so don't be quick to jump me for being a "gw" purist. Excepting the Foundation washes and their metallics Citadel paints suck IMO so I buy paints from RP (a lot cheaper and you get more), PP, Tamiya and Vallejo and I buy brushes from Windsor and Newton if I want good brushes and cheapo $2 brushes for drybrushing and other heavy work.

Again, why is it a crime that GW doesn't promote other hobby companies? No other company/corporation promotes their competitors products. Even teens are wise enough to make their own decisions on something. The internet is accessible to everyone these days. 5 minutes spent on any gaming forum will show them at least 6 other game systems and mini lines that aren't GW.

I really don't think anyone is suggesting GW promote other company's products. I think what Lanrak is getting at is that GW promote their products as if they were the only product of its type out there.

It'd be like walking into a Toyota dealership and when you mention the price of the Honda dealership he scoff at you and says "There's no such thing as a 'Honda dealer' - we're the only car company in existence".

But has anyone ever had a GW redshirt say that to them?

If not than it's just bitching for bitching sakes, if so then the simple solution is to ignore the idiot or stop going to that store.

Using the Toyota analogy an idiot salesman would say that; a salesman doing his job would be like "Yes, the Honda might be cheaper but here is what makes our car better and the one you should buy."

Any salesman is going to give you "their product is the best" or "their product is the only one you should buy". It's the way a salesman is told to sell the stores wares.

I've known someone to be banned from a GW shop for daring to talk about alternative figures to theirs...
Mick

Fateweaver wrote:But has anyone ever had a GW redshirt say that to them?

It has been noted on occasion to have been claimed, but I think it's probably due to some overzealous member of staff than an actual policy. I've found that as an adult and on quiet weekdays they are often quite happy to talk about other products. When there are crowds of teenagers there on a saturday morning they are much less so because there's a requirement to crank up the sales pitch.

Hi all.
Just to make it totaly clear to everyone.
I think the term 'GW HOBBY' could be mis understood by people new to the TTMG hobby starting, with GW products.

It could be interprited as the hobby is owned by GW.

Which is the opposite of the TTMG hobby ethos;-'The hobby belongs to you to do as you want to'.

I dont object to GW stores and GW range of hobby products, or expect GW to promote other products!
Just want GW to use the term 'the hobby' instead of 'GW hobby'.
As this stops mis-interpriting who the hobby belongs to!

Also just using one companies product does not make a seperate and distinct activity.No matter how much GW want you to use thier own products exclusivley , they do not have a right to infer/imply ownership of a 'hobby' IMO.

No other company even attempts to do this.(Apart from the company that ridiculed this type of 'brand over importance' ' Dont forget the panackes on Jiff Lemon Day. to make a humourous advert' )

All the positive cited across the boards are all artibutable to the TTMG hobby.
GW just supplies a range of hobby related products ,(and some support in stores,) NOT a seperate hobby.
I want GW PLC to acknowledge this distiction by simply using 'the hobby' instead of 'GW hobby' .Thats IT!

This would not promote other companies products , or reduce interest in GW products.Just stop possible misunderstanding of the current term used.

I hope this make it absolutley clear .(Again )

TTFN
Lanrak.

I guess I still don't see how "GW Hobby" can be misconstrued as "GW is the only hobby company in the world".

To me that sounds more like a comprehension problem on the part of the "noob", meaning that it's not GW's fault.

I agree that GW supplies are over priced crap for the most part (though metallic paints and foundation washes are the best there is).

I guess the problem I see is that not everyone wants to try other systems which doesn't automatically make them "drinkers of the kool-aid".

I've tried Warmachine, which is the only other system that looks even REMOTELY interesting, and while it's fun in it's own way it doesn't make me want to give up 40k.

For the most part GW has the best looking mini's of any game system (some of PP and Rackhams are stellar but they are mostly hit and miss, GW has been fairly consistent so far as far as quality).

For me personally again it's the background for the setting and the races.

If people want to introduce noobs to other war games it is up to the independent stores to do the word of mouth, not for GW to "shut up and quit pretending yours is the only hobby out there".

Advertising and word of mouth helps a company get it's products to people. Coca-cola doesn't rely on Pepsi to advertise for them, nor does Honda expect Toyota to mention them at their dealerships so again why is it unreasonable for a red/blue/pink/purple shirt at a "GW" store (you know, a store only catering to GW products) to not even MENTION Privateer Press or Infinity or Rackham or FoW as alternatives.

To say GW is being a bully in this regard is ludicrous.