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Necron's beat the true Gods in the universe, they can surely defeat what's there now. It will just be a rinse and repeat cycle, eat and clean up, sleep and wait for more food to form.

Tyranids and Necrons would be stalemated for a while, but the Necrons exterminate the life on planets and create tomb worlds, by doing this there is no appeal to Tyranids, and in the end the Tyranids will have nothing to feed on.

Mankind already worships the Deceiver and the Void Dragon, Necrons have already beat them. Once the Dragon wakes up the Emperor is dead, and then the rest of mankind dies out without the Emprah.

Chaos can't get near the Necrons as they seal the warp around them.

Necrons fluff-wise are unbeatable, but i'm given to understand that Chaos possesses Blackstone Fortresses that are C'tan destroyers, but seeing as how it was the Deceiver that directed Chaos to them, their effectiveness is iffy.

The majority of the Necron force that went into slumber has fallen into disrepair.

samrtk wrote:
Mankind already worships the Deceiver and the Void Dragon, Necrons have already beat them. Once the Dragon wakes up the Emperor is dead, and then the rest of mankind dies out without the Emprah.

Lies!


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Dude, going to the next Galaxy isn't like crossing the street. The nearest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away.

And given the fact that the Warp doesn't extend beyond the Milky Way they'd have to travel real-time. Something even the Tyranid force likely baulked at. Tyranids only survived via hibernation (and likely a vast amount of cannibalism). Orks simply don't have the means to do this.

samrtk wrote:Necron's beat the true Gods in the universe, they can surely defeat what's there now. It will just be a rinse and repeat cycle, eat and clean up, sleep and wait for more food to form.

No they didn't ,the C'tan did.

And the C'tan are nowhere NEAR as strong OR numerous as they used to be. From what I can gather, there were one C'tan for each star. Now there's only four C'tan. One of which nearly died to Ultramarines, another of which had its ASS handed to it by the Emperor, and another of which is trapped inside of a dyson sphere.

Fun times.


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Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks simply don't have the means to do this.

Not yet, anyway.

If there's one thing the Imperium has learned over the years, it's "don't underestimate Ork ingenuity".

samrtk wrote:Necron's beat the true Gods in the universe, they can surely defeat what's there now. .

WTF??? What the ?
Dude, no, the C'tan are barely mentioned in Eldar history. Many Eldar gods survived the war in heaven. And those that were killed, were killed by other gods, not C'tan. The Necrons, if it wasn't for the Enslavers, would have lost the war, because the Eldar and their gods were leading a counter-attack. They did not win. No one won (except the Enslaver, curse those warp jellyfish).

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks simply don't have the means to do this.

Not yet, anyway.

If there's one thing the Imperium has learned over the years, it's "don't underestimate Ork ingenuity".

Ah, but they'd have to watch the Imperium or Tau do it first.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks simply don't have the means to do this.

Not yet, anyway.

If there's one thing the Imperium has learned over the years, it's "don't underestimate Ork ingenuity".

Ah, but they'd have to watch the Imperium or Tau do it first.

I dont think the Tau or the IG have ever made anything close to a shokk attack gun
Im sure the prototypes will be variations of a planet sized catapult, but they will get there eventually

Right, the Orks have invented plenty of things that the Imperium, Tau, and Eldar never dreamed of doing.

Something about a complete lack of morals, and a complete lack of concern for safety really broadening their horizons.

Golden Sabres wrote:

samrtk wrote:Necron's beat the true Gods in the universe, they can surely defeat what's there now. .

WTF??? What the ?
Dude, no, the C'tan are barely mentioned in Eldar history. Many Eldar gods survived the war in heaven. And those that were killed, were killed by other gods, not C'tan. The Necrons, if it wasn't for the Enslavers, would have lost the war, because the Eldar and their gods were leading a counter-attack. They did not win. No one won (except the Enslaver, curse those warp jellyfish).

You forget to take into account that it was the C'tan that pushed the Old Ones into desperation, forcing them to create new life to defend themselves, these races opened the warp allowing the Enslavers to do what they did. The C'tan pretty much were the reason of the Old One's downfall. The point in which maybe I didn't make all too clear.

I think it's an interesting poll that i have thought about for some time.

I think that the Eldar and Dark Eldar will fall first (obviously). Then the Imperium of man will fall because unless a miracle is going to happen (read: the emperor awakens) then the imperium is just slowly going to crumble.
I think the Tau will then replace the Imperium in the upcoming powervacuum just like the imperium did when the Eldar fell butt they will fall eventually too.
So that brings us to the final 3: Necrons, Tyranids and Orks. Well the problem with those is that nobody knows how many Necrons and Tyranids there actually are.
I myself think that the Tyranids will eventually be the last race standing because they trife on war just as well as the orks do and they can evolve what the Orks can't do. Also the Orks can't co-operate (long) and that suits the Tyranids just fine they just replenish there losses after each victory and that's the problem with Tyranids, you can't just were them down untill there is nothing left. You have to kill them all in one big strike and with the Orks missing the intelligence to do that properly i think it is hardly likely that the Orks will defeat the Tyranids.

Then the Necrons, well i don't know how the Tyranids vs Necrons will turn out actually. We don't know very much about the capabilities of the Necrons and there numbers. I still think that the Tyranids will defeat the Necrons because the necrons aren't well in adapting, they have very few different warriors and warmachines and although there technology is far superior than anything else in the universe the Tyranids will eventualy adapt and then it's gonna get ugly for the Necrons.

So that's what i think of it Tyranids as the last race standing.

grimoverlord10 wrote:nobody knows how many Necrons and Tyranids there actually are.

Nobody knows exactly how many Orks there are either. What we DO know, however, is far more than we know about Necrons and Tyranids-- that they outnumber all other sentient races in the galaxy combined.

And the 'nids come from outside the galaxy so it could be possible that the 'nids in the galaxy are only a portion of the total nuber of 'nids.

Emperors Faithful wrote:The majority of the Necron force that went into slumber has fallen into disrepair.

samrtk wrote:
Mankind already worships the Deceiver and the Void Dragon, Necrons have already beat them. Once the Dragon wakes up the Emperor is dead, and then the rest of mankind dies out without the Emprah.

Lies!


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Dude, going to the next Galaxy isn't like crossing the street. The nearest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away.

And given the fact that the Warp doesn't extend beyond the Milky Way they'd have to travel real-time. Something even the Tyranid force likely baulked at. Tyranids only survived via hibernation (and likely a vast amount of cannibalism). Orks simply don't have the means to do this.

exactly, I don't think people are giving the 'nids enough credit for being the only creatures in known existence to pull off intergalactic travel. INTERGALACTIC! They are by far the most advanced race. Biologically made technology is still technology.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Dude, going to the next Galaxy isn't like crossing the street. The nearest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
And given the fact that the Warp doesn't extend beyond the Milky Way they'd have to travel real-time. Something even the Tyranid force likely baulked at. Tyranids only survived via hibernation (and likely a vast amount of cannibalism). Orks simply don't have the means to do this.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
exactly, I don't think people are giving the 'nids enough credit for being the only creatures in known existence to pull off intergalactic travel. INTERGALACTIC! They are by far the most advanced race. Biologically made technology is still technology.

Fact? I doubt you can point to a source which restricts the warp to the 'milky way'.
As the Hive mind does not exist in realspace, so where is it except the warp?
If it is in the warp, your idea of the warp bound to the galaxy fails as the Hivemind is outside the galaxy....

I am not sure how it is acceptable to claim orks may invent anything but cannot find a way for intergalactic travel.

The warp extends beyond the milky way. It's just that there's no living beings in empty space (duh) so the warp is extremely calm. Which isn't good if you're basically attempting to "sail" though still waters.

1hadhq wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Dude, going to the next Galaxy isn't like crossing the street. The nearest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
And given the fact that the Warp doesn't extend beyond the Milky Way they'd have to travel real-time. Something even the Tyranid force likely baulked at. Tyranids only survived via hibernation (and likely a vast amount of cannibalism). Orks simply don't have the means to do this.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
exactly, I don't think people are giving the 'nids enough credit for being the only creatures in known existence to pull off intergalactic travel. INTERGALACTIC! They are by far the most advanced race. Biologically made technology is still technology.

Fact? I doubt you can point to a source which restricts the warp to the 'milky way'.
As the Hive mind does not exist in realspace, so where is it except the warp?
If it is in the warp, your idea of the warp bound to the galaxy fails as the Hivemind is outside the galaxy....

I am not sure how it is acceptable to claim orks may invent anything but cannot find a way for intergalactic travel.

We didn't claim orks can invent anything. In fact the genetically engineered knowlege present in some Orks installed by The Old Ones seems to be set. Orks can only invent what they're supposed too a la the Jokiree.

1hadhq wrote:

Fact? I doubt you can point to a source which restricts the warp to the 'milky way'.

Maybe I've been getting the webway and the warp mixed up. Nevertheless, as the Old Ones apparently created the warp in the first place (did they? My knowledge on these guys is more than a little rusty) it would depend if the Old Ones merely dwelled in the Milky, or were able to make forays into other galaxies.

As the Hive mind does not exist in realspace, so where is it except the warp?
If it is in the warp, your idea of the warp bound to the galaxy fails as the Hivemind is outside the galaxy....

The Hive mind is not inside the warp. The Hive-Mind is the conglomerate instinct or intelligence that governs the Tyranid force, but has no single location (such as a Mother-of-all Mother ships). Where are you getting this 'Hivemind in the Warp'?


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NeedsMoreDakka wrote:
I dont think the Tau or the IG have ever made anything close to a shokk attack gun

Isn't a Shock Attack Gun basically a warp drive....weapon-thingy?

EDIT: The Mekk probably saw an unfortunate Warp Spider teleport halfway through some Ork Boy or something and thought "Roight, that there could be sumfing wiv a bag of lil fella's!"

I'm pretty sure the warp is everywhere. It's just an alternate dimension, it wasn't created by the old ones it just exists.

Warp travel beyond this galaxy is possible. From what we know about the warp it would make sense for it to be just as demon infested as in our galaxy. The warp isn't affected by any rules so there shouldn't be any space as we know it.

Nids aren't the only intergalactic race. Orks have been found outside the milky way. It's possible C'tan exist outside because they were created in stars (IIRC) which are everywhere.

@Melissa:

A calm warp isn't bad..

@KamikazeCanuck:

Would agree that orks are set on their given pool of knowlegde which they may access to create things.
So why don't answer the first point in my post?

@EF:

The Empyrean wasn't created by any known entity of 40k.
The old ones just messed it up when they utilized it to fight the C'tan, so 'perils of the warp' would not be part of the game without this as the warp/empyrean
was a calm place before.

The hive mind is described in the BRB as waiting outside of the galaxy and not beeing part of realspace. It also "shadows the warp" so it has effects on the warp
and I thougth it a good question to ask where the hive mind exists, as 'mind-power' seems likely to be found where thougths have a place = the warp.

On a side note: I really like your idea how orks invented the shokk-attack-gun.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
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NeedsMoreDakka wrote:
I dont think the Tau or the IG have ever made anything close to a shokk attack gun

Isn't a Shock Attack Gun basically a warp drive....weapon-thingy?

EDIT: The Mekk probably saw an unfortunate Warp Spider teleport halfway through some Ork Boy or something and thought "Roight, that there could be sumfing wiv a bag of lil fella's!"

The Shokk Attack Gun is basically a weapon that can tear a hole through the marterial universe and create an opening into the warp, using snotlings as ammo. (Snotlings not needed but it must be hilarious for a Mek to teleport a warp mad snotling INSIDE of a living target)
I like your idea on how it came to be though

4M2A wrote:I'm pretty sure the warp is everywhere. It's just an alternate dimension, it wasn't created by the old ones it just exists.

Warp travel beyond this galaxy is possible. From what we know about the warp it would make sense for it to be just as demon infested as in our galaxy. The warp isn't affected by any rules so there shouldn't be any space as we know it.

Nids aren't the only intergalactic race. Orks have been found outside the milky way. It's possible C'tan exist outside because they were created in stars (IIRC) which are everywhere.

Orks have been found outside the milky way by whom?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Orks have been found outside the milky way by whom?

"From the Galactic Core to the distant Ghost Stars burgeoning Ork empires rise and fall"
Not sure if Ghost Stars are outside the Milky Way, but i would think an Ork presense on just about anything would be pretty hard to miss

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Orks have been found outside the milky way by whom?

"From the Galactic Core to the distant Ghost Stars burgeoning Ork empires rise and fall"
Not sure if Ghost Stars are outside the Milky Way, but i would think an Ork presense on just about anything would be pretty hard to miss

They are not Once again the closest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. The ghost stars are just hanging of the galaxy is all. To give you some perspective the entire milky way is like 90,000 light years across.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Orks have been found outside the milky way by whom?

"From the Galactic Core to the distant Ghost Stars burgeoning Ork empires rise and fall"
Not sure if Ghost Stars are outside the Milky Way, but i would think an Ork presense on just about anything would be pretty hard to miss

They are not Once again the closest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. The ghost stars are just hanging of the galaxy is all. To give you some perspective the entire milky way is like 90,000 light years across.

Alrighty then sooo unless someone has another quote then we can neither confirm nor deny that Orks might infest other galaxies. *handshake*

Im going to vote they are though, since my desire for the coolest army to be the everywhere far outweighs facts, logic, and peoples opinions who dissagree.

1hadhq wrote:@Melissa:

A calm warp isn't bad..

Replace "calm" with "completely and absolutely still", and bad with "rather difficult to move around in". And "isn't" with "is".

Ork transmissions from out of galaxy have been found by Imperial probes. The passage on that was a little vague , but in any case it is cannon ("Erre We Go"?) that the orks are spread throughout the universe. They end up that way as a result of traveling by space hulk though, and there doesn't seem to be any evidence that they can purposefully cross galaxies. The warp is confirmed to extend past the Milky Way as well, according to another piece of lore on warp travel and navigation (navigation being the real problem; the Astronomicon doesn't illuminate much besides the Milky Way).

Also, there's no reason to believe that orks are limited in technological knowledge to what has been preprogramed into them. To the contrary, there are numerous references to exceptional meks devising things that hadn't been created before in the ork codex, and I doubt the Old Ones were driving around in ramshackle trukks and shooting goblins into people before they decided to encode the ability to build these things into the orks as well (assuming the Old One theory is correct). The inborn technological knowledge that meks have isn't a set of blueprints, so much as it is a general understanding of the principles that they need to use (mechanics, engineering, and so forth).

I would also think that the Hive Mind exists in the warp, or at least functionally exists there, since otherwise the hive fleets would be unable to coordinate even in the slightest (barring necron technology; there doesn't seem to be any evidence of them having that, though). Plus, it's the easiest explanation for the Shadow in the Warp, and we do know that contact can be made with the Hive Mind through the warp thanks to Tigurius.

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Orks have been found outside the milky way by whom?

"From the Galactic Core to the distant Ghost Stars burgeoning Ork empires rise and fall"
Not sure if Ghost Stars are outside the Milky Way, but i would think an Ork presense on just about anything would be pretty hard to miss

They are not Once again the closest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. The ghost stars are just hanging of the galaxy is all. To give you some perspective the entire milky way is like 90,000 light years across.

Alrighty then sooo unless someone has another quote then we can neither confirm nor deny that Orks might infest other galaxies. *handshake*

Im going to vote they are though, since my desire for the coolest army to be the everywhere far outweighs facts, logic, and peoples opinions who dissagree.

fair enough.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Also, there's no reason to believe that orks are limited in technological knowledge to what has been preprogramed into them. To the contrary, there are numerous references to exceptional meks devising things that hadn't been created before in the ork codex, and I doubt the Old Ones were driving around in ramshackle trukks and shooting goblins into people before they decided to encode the ability to build these things into the orks as well (assuming the Old One theory is correct). The inborn technological knowledge that meks have isn't a set of blueprints, so much as it is a general understanding of the principles that they need to use (mechanics, engineering, and so forth).

Right, Ork Meks are born with blueprints of how to make something, they are born already having knowledge and understanding of both physics and engineering, other than that they are only limited by their imagination. Quite literally too
No two Ork vehicles are the same, proving they aren't born with blueprints, just knowledge.

Heh. Yeah. Ork meks aren't born with blueprints. That would indicate some sort of standardization.

In the end, the Emperor, not the Imperium as it exists today, wins.

Upon his glorious foretold return, the Emperor of Mankind shall gather about him his still loyal primarchs, rallying them from their slumber or calling them home from their eternal quests. Together, they shall wage a war, not merely of conquest, but aimed directly at exterminating all of the enemies of humanity. This righteous crusade shall not cease until it shoves the Emperor's light right up the ass of the Eye of Terror and into the face of Chaos Undivided. First to fall will be those weak humans who chose sacrilege over truth. Then, the Emperor's traitorous sons and their corrupted legions shall fall, one after another. As Abbadon draws his last breath, a cry of pain shall emerge from the Warp, spilling forth the combined power of every last Daemon from the void. Then, with their servants broken and shattered, the Chaos Gods themselves shall meet the wrath of our divine Emperor. Freed from his Golden Throne, He shall break the Archenemies. One, two, three, then four will fall, and humanity will at last be free from their taint. On that day, the galaxy will see gods bleed, and, on that day, humanity shall take it's rightful place as sole ruler amongst the stars, and our beloved Emperor shall guide us into the future.

shealyr wrote:In the end, the Emperor, not the Imperium as it exists today, wins.

Upon his glorious foretold return, the Emperor of Mankind shall gather about him his still loyal primarchs, rallying them from their slumber or calling them home from their eternal quests. Together, they shall wage a war, not merely of conquest, but aimed directly at exterminating all of the enemies of humanity. This righteous crusade shall not cease until it shoves the Emperor's light right up the ass of the Eye of Terror and into the face of Chaos Undivided. First to fall will be those weak humans who chose sacrilege over truth. Then, the Emperor's traitorous sons and their corrupted legions shall fall, one after another. As Abbadon draws his last breath, a cry of pain shall emerge from the Warp, spilling forth the combined power of every last Daemon from the void. Then, with their servants broken and shattered, the Chaos Gods themselves shall meet the wrath of our divine Emperor. Freed from his Golden Throne, He shall break the Archenemies. One, two, three, then four will fall, and humanity will at last be free from their taint. On that day, the galaxy will see gods bleed, and, on that day, humanity shall take it's rightful place as sole ruler amongst the stars, and our beloved Emperor shall guide us into the future.

Then the Imperial Guardsmen wakes up in a trench wondering why his leg is 40 feet away from him.