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@Buffo

You do realize that Dashofpepper at least has put up an insane amount of batreps right? Just making sure you realize that before stating that anyone disagreeing wtih you is to lazy to do it themselves. Accurate statements are good statements

Otherwise I could care less.

Hulksmash wrote:@Buffo

You do realize that Dashofpepper at least has put up an insane amount of batreps right? Just making sure you realize that before stating that anyone disagreeing wtih you is to lazy to do it themselves. Accurate statements are good statements

Otherwise I could care less.

I love you?

And yeah, you do care, obviously...

MasticatorDeelux wrote:Wow, nice reports. DE seem to be a real powerhouse. Any plans on taking on a MEQ army?

ugh, your avatar makes me want to kill babies...

Anyway, great reports! I hope you get to play CSM soon!

BuFFo wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:@Buffo

You do realize that Dashofpepper at least has put up an insane amount of batreps right? Just making sure you realize that before stating that anyone disagreeing wtih you is to lazy to do it themselves. Accurate statements are good statements

Otherwise I could care less.

He has added nothing constructive to this thread, only acting destructive, so I could care less about what he has done elsewhere.

And yeah, you do care, obviously...

Your cute Buffo. I only cared that statements are made accurately. Which I said.

For the greater part of the thread if you want to play fun pick up games using random units in the codex in not-nearly optomized lists against less than stellar opponents then all power to you. As long as you enjoy it then your golden man. I read a couple of your Batrep's when they first went up and quickly realized that for me, personally, I would get next to nothing out of them. Which is fine. Other people might and that makes it a worthwhile endeavor. I do pop in from time to time to see if perhaps the tone/type of army/or type of player has changed. If it had I'd probably give them another look otherwise I generally back right out again.

Enjoy it man. More power to you. 45 games is not a small amount in our hobby which generally equates to around just 90 hours of playing time. Kudos and chill out. You get worked up to easily

BuFFo wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:@Buffo

You do realize that Dashofpepper at least has put up an insane amount of batreps right? Just making sure you realize that before stating that anyone disagreeing wtih you is to lazy to do it themselves. Accurate statements are good statements

Otherwise I could care less.

He has added nothing constructive to this thread, only acting destructive, so I could care less about what he has done elsewhere.

And yeah, you do care, obviously...

So we're only allowed to post in the thread if we are being supportive and agree with how you play the game? Interesting.....

Although many people say that your an idiot if you think there are no bad units and just bad generals it is kind of true.

The game has become more objective based and although killing your opponent is awesome units worth can't always be measured in "did it make its points back in killing"

Many batreps have models that do not make their points back but contest or hold an objective for the win, or tie up some deathstar unit for a turn or 2, they don't get their points back directly but they deny/ allow something else to happen.

Although the name calling is not necessary on either side, and there is a point that none of the lists seem to be the standard "competitive" lists it is nice and in a way rewarding to see batreps of not common army builds, and not common units.

It adds reading variety, and it shows that some units do have value.

What would be interesting to me would be a archon and 3 haemonoculi list that uses some of the odder haemonoculi wargear and a court of the archon, chance I will see someone post a batrep of what is considered a noncompetitive army on a normal basis? pretty much 0.

however this thread delivers such batreps, not that it has that one yet but you get the idea.

That said I also love reading dashofpeppers batreps, as well as other peoples. They usually are great reads and he comes across as a level headed player that likes to try and find highly competitive army builds. He has never come across as some jackhole I MUST WIN AND CRUSH YOU BOW BEFORE MY PLASTIC AND PEWTER MIGHT POOR GAMERS AND DESPAIR! kind of guy

blaktoof wrote:Although many people say that your an idiot if you think there are no bad units and just bad generals it is kind of true.

Now I am sure you can post intelligently without resorting to insults. You seem like a mature adult, so curb the snide remarks a bit please?

The game has become more objective based and although killing your opponent is awesome units worth can't always be measured in "did it make its points back in killing"

I agree. I have never believed that stupid term that a unit has to make its poitns back. Utter rubbish. Units need to work together as a whole to help you win the mission.

Many batreps have models that do not make their points back but contest or hold an objective for the win, or tie up some deathstar unit for a turn or 2, they don't get their points back directly but they deny/ allow something else to happen.

Exactly!

Although the name calling is not necessary on either side, and there is a point that none of the lists seem to be the standard "competitive" lists it is nice and in a way rewarding to see batreps of not common army builds, and not common units.

Actually, I am new here on Dakka, and ot be honest, before I came here I heard from long time posters how ignorant people on here can be when compared to other forums. When I first starting posting, I didn't really see any of that, but now that this thread has reached 9 pages, I can see the snide remarks coming out of the wood works.

I am seriously considering just posting my results on the other forums I visit because this one happens to be the only one that is starting to seem like Warseer in disguise.

What is keeping me here are the posters like yourself, who understand tact and know how to converse like an adult. Well, except for your first statement, but hey, nobody is perfect... I try hard each day to bite my tongue on here.

What would be interesting to me would be a archon and 3 haemonoculi list that uses some of the odder haemonoculi wargear and a court of the archon, chance I will see someone post a batrep of what is considered a noncompetitive army on a normal basis? pretty much 0.

What?

See, this is what I am trying to desperately get used to. Half my viewers swear my games are all for fun, and the other half swear there all competitive WAAC games.

I have already played a game with a Court with Archon and 3 Heamonculi actually., and they did quite well, but I will play the list again in the near future for you! I will make sure the Heamonculi have more varied Wargear.

however this thread delivers such batreps, not that it has that one yet but you get the idea.

You must have missed it...

http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/10/1500-cirque-de-commorragh-versus.html

Peace!

I see you ahve yet to take on the Imperial Guard. Our local DE player says thats a hard match-up(I should know because I was the one bringing the beat down).

(Unless you already did and I missed it)

BuFFo wrote:

blaktoof wrote:Although many people say that your an idiot if you think there are no bad units and just bad generals it is kind of true.

Now I am sure you can post intelligently without resorting to insults. You seem like a mature adult, so curb the snide remarks a bit please?

I did not mean any snide remark, my sincerest of apologies.

My statement was solely in reference to people who dislike the concept of taking non standard "competitive builds" for any game because they believe some units are inherently better than others and there is no reason to take anything but the best unit selection from each area[HQ,Elites,Troops,FA,Hvy] and to not take such selections is "idiotic".

I realize after reading my comment how it could be taken that there is an implication that anyone involved in this thread with such a notion is an idiot. I apologize.

That is not my intention, just to convey that some people have an attitude and disdain towards people who take non cookie cutter lists for a game.

BuFFo wrote:See, this is what I am trying to desperately get used to. Half my viewers swear my games are all for fun, and the other half swear there all competitive WAAC games.

This was a hard truth for me to get used to also; for every opinion someone expresses, I try to imagine the 10 guys who feel the exact opposite way who didn't bother responding. It's an odd side effect of having such a diverse group of people from so many places and local environments discussing the same topic, I think.

BuFFo wrote: Half my viewers swear my games are all for fun, and the other half swear there all competitive WAAC games.

If that's accurate, than it probably means you're hitting a good median point.

blaktoof wrote:I realize after reading my comment how it could be taken that there is an implication that anyone involved in this thread with such a notion is an idiot. I apologize.

That is my misunderstanding, and I apologize as well!

BuFFo wrote:
Actually, I am new here on Dakka, and ot be honest, before I came here I heard from long time posters how ignorant people on here can be when compared to other forums. When I first starting posting, I didn't really see any of that, but now that this thread has reached 9 pages, I can see the snide remarks coming out of the wood works.

Welcome to Dakka. Please refer to the forum rules to acquaint yourself with them.

The next time that a well-spoken community member who plays the same army that you do politely expresses interest in your efforts, asks that to further your educational efforts to the general populace in much the same means that they do that you push the capabilities of your army and test yourself against traditional challenges to the codex....................you could NOT be derogatory, accuse them of being a WAAC gamer, accuse them of being snide, or of bringing nothing of value to your thread.

Civility will get you much further, please use it! It would be much more welcome here.

The next time that a well-spoken community member who plays the same army that you do politely expresses interest in your efforts, asks that to further your educational efforts to the general populace in much the same means that they do that you push the capabilities of your army and test yourself against traditional challenges to the codex....................you could NOT be derogatory, accuse them of being a WAAC gamer, accuse them of being snide, or of bringing nothing of value to your thread.

Yeah, my bad. I thought that donating my time by making my games public for all to see would be enough to help fellow Dark Eldar players out. How selfish of me to not give MORE!

Next time I will donate organs if that would please you!

Civility will get you much further

I am Dark Eldar, and as such, civility is a rather trivial concept fit only for you monkeighs!

It would be much more welcome here.

This thread, and my blog, get so much traffic, it is hard to keep up with all my fans! I couldn't feel more welcome here if people like you tried!

Because I like you so much, here is a Autographed picture of myself, just for you! Now don't go selling it on eBay!

The irony, for me, is that as far as I can tell from reading their posts and watching videos of them both on the internetz, Buffo and Dash have similar personalities and personal backgrounds, and would probably get along like a house on fire in real life.

This butting heads here over a difference in Toy Soldier priorities feels like the section of a super-hero team up comic where they have to fight first before becoming buddies and working together.

Anyone else notice that Buffo's heart is on the wrong side?

BuFFo wrote:
3) By reading your signature, I can tell you play to win. This is fine, and I respect that, but in my area, winning takes a back seat for fun.

My blog is for your average 40k hobbyist that wants to have fun. They want to know what units work/don't work for THEM before making any purchases.

I'm going to point out that you too, play to win. I dont see you playing to lose.

And people do have fun, playing to win. It doesnt have to take a backseat to fun.

carmachu wrote:

BuFFo wrote:
3) By reading your signature, I can tell you play to win. This is fine, and I respect that, but in my area, winning takes a back seat for fun.

My blog is for your average 40k hobbyist that wants to have fun. They want to know what units work/don't work for THEM before making any purchases.

I'm going to point out that you too, play to win. I dont see you playing to lose.

Oh, were you present when I played my games? I am so very sorry I didn't notice you, but rest assured my goal for playing 40k is for both players to have fun, and not for me to win.

And people do have fun, playing to win. It doesnt have to take a backseat to fun.

I agree, but the majority of the time, when one person is playing just to win, the other person is just forcing a smile, not having much fun at all. This is true of many of the games I have either been a part of or witnessed since I started in 1988.

Winning with grace and manners is a fine art lost on many gamers.

...Getting a bit hostile in here....

Samus_aran115 wrote:...Getting a bit hostile in here....

Really? Where?

Hey Buffo, totally awesome reports, I especially enjoy the videos. I think thread wars are disgusting, warhammer is for fun, why all the seriousness up in here? Haha that signed photo screams of utter badassness.

Your venom conversions are awesome, any chance you could PM the method of their construction to me? (And yes I did throw them my vote on Bell of Lost Souls) Keen to give it a go. The light hearted approach to just enjoying the game rather than being mental about building a power list is what makes the reports good fun btw, keep it up. Not really too sure what all this hate is about and can't be arsed reading the thread so I'll ignore it. Anyway keep posting the good stuff.


Cheers,

InventionThirteen

BuFFo wrote:

Oh, were you present when I played my games? I am so very sorry I didn't notice you, but rest assured my goal for playing 40k is for both players to have fun, and not for me to win.

So your playing to lose then?

I agree, but the majority of the time, when one person is playing just to win, the other person is just forcing a smile, not having much fun at all. This is true of many of the games I have either been a part of or witnessed since I started in 1988.

Your not playing to lose there. Your trying to win the game. Just like Dash. Just like myself. Playing to win=/=not having fun.

Its been that way since I started playing way back when too you know, in RT. If your going to start throwing down street cred there with the years.....

Winning with grace and manners is a fine art lost on many gamers.

One could say the very same about internet posts here, about grace and manners. Just a friendly reminder. I notcied, or it seems to me, when one was asked something, that seemed to be lost here.

Mannahnin wrote:The irony, for me, is that as far as I can tell from reading their posts and watching videos of them both on the internetz, Buffo and Dash have similar personalities and personal backgrounds, and would probably get along like a house on fire in real life.

This butting heads here over a difference in Toy Soldier priorities feels like the section of a super-hero team up comic where they have to fight first before becoming buddies and working together.

Great analogy

carmachu wrote:[So your playing to lose then?

Whatever you want me to do

Your not playing to lose there. Your trying to win the game. Just like Dash. Just like myself. Playing to win=/=not having fun. .

Seems like you are just the expert as to how and why I play my games.

Where do you get such magical powers!

One could say the very same about internet posts here, about grace and manners.

I agree, so if you and your buddies could quit trying to troll responses out of me (you aren't going to get the responses you fishing for), then this thread will return to its intended purpose, Battle reports!

But on the serious tip...

Any more attempts to derail this thread into anything OFF TOPIC from the Battle Reports listed here will be reported to the Moderators, who have told me to do so in case this thread gets out of hand because they knew it would, without hesitation.

Thank you

BuFFo wrote:
Seems like you are just the expert as to how and why I play my games.

Where do you get such magical powers!

*sigh* Dodging doesnt change the questions.

I agree, so if you and your buddies could quit trying to troll responses out of me (you aren't going to get the responses you fishing for), then this thread will return to its intended purpose, Battle reports!

I agree. My thread was all peaches and cream until the regualr 'grumps' came a rushing in, and now any attempt at defending myself somehow makes me look like the guilty party? How childish.

No it wasnt really. It was fine, you wanted to entertain questions. Questions were asked, specific armies were noted, then you, for a lack of a better term, became a condesending random animals behind when questioned, and your now still doing it.

So let me explain something- if you say something in the public domain, its fair game, and questions and comments get asked and said. Your not defending yourself, your acting like the childish grumps you claim came in. In fact I'd hazard you're acting worse then they, or even myself are.

If you want to dictate from a throne, post somewhere else. If you want comments and criticism, your welcome to stay. Telling one to stop trolling, instead of actually having an adult conversation, and making snide comments about civility and adult behavior, you'll go alot farther.

But I have notice the folks that whine the biggest about civility and grace, usually arent practicing it much themselves. Your last couple posts are prime examples.

Guys, there's a difference between playing to win, and creating a moster army to try and crush your opponent. Now Buffo please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe from your battle reports that you are playing to win, and you have won almost every game. You just do not tailor your lists to be the perfect killing machine or ask your opponent to do the same with his list.

rivers64 wrote:Now Buffo please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe from your battle reports that you are playing to win, and you have won almost every game.

I play to have fun. I don't care if I win or lose. I make sure my lists provide a fun experience for my opponent.

No, I do not play to win.

Only counting the games I have put up as battle reports, I have the record at the bttom of each of my posts. I have won only half the games.

You just do not tailor your lists to be the perfect killing machine or ask your opponent to do the same with his list.

I never tailor my lists to fight my opponents UNLESS I ask them first.

My opponents, on the other hand, tailor lists against me most of the time, for one main reason; they feel they can't beat me unless they do. I have that 'presence' in the hobby when I play games, whether justified or not.

I played a game last night, that will be up eventually, where my Tau opponent tailored his list to fight my army, without my knowledge beforehand. I just took some units I thought would be fun to play with.

Wow dude. You're getting way to defensive. I agreed with you and you attacked me.

rivers64 wrote:Wow dude. You're getting way to defensive. I agreed with you and you attacked me.

What? What are you talking about? When did I attack you?

You asked questions, and I answered them honestly and truthfully.

The problem is, when people read printed words, especially on the internet, they read it as negative FIRST. You are reading my post WAAAAY out of context in your mind, probably giving me a snide little voice as you read it, lol.

What im interested in is when we can get some orky battle reports up in this hizzie...

Or at least some orky games in...