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Portaljacker wrote:I didn't see deep strike in the troop termie entry in the back. Is it in the wargear section?

Also that plan for a grandmaster sounds excessively expensive to someone who just started.


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In terms of the many boxes I don't need to own required to build it.

No one on this one?

It's in the wargear entry. All terminator armor can deep strike as per normal. That would have been a strange and dire omission (not that I don't put it past 'em).

As for the Grand Master - pick a Terminator, and spruce him up a bit. Tell me he's you Grand Master and it is so.

VoidAngel wrote:It's in the wargear entry. All terminator armor can deep strike as per normal. That would have been a strange and dire omission (not that I don't put it past 'em).

I introduce you to my Wolf Guard Terminators.

VoidAngel wrote:As for the Grand Master - pick a Terminator, and spruce him up a bit. Tell me he's you Grand Master and it is so.

Couldn't you just use a Brother-Captain model? It is a termie isn't it? It has a 40mm base. What would the gear/appearance differences be?

I don't want to get an extra box for just one termie. Though it would be a better value than the metal model...

Fetterkey wrote:To be honest, I don't think that Codex: Grey Knights will have much of an effect on the proliferation of 180-Ork armies or blob IG. A much more significant factor limiting those armies, at least in competitive play, is the tendency of tournaments to hold to strict time limits. Overall I think that Codex: GK will increase the number of foot-based armies on the field. However, I also think that, as always, hybrid lists will remain the most effective.

It doesn't have a huge effect on hordes - hordes might have a decent chance against GK thanks to the ridiculous odds and the fact that fancy power weapons mean nothing.

However "normal" footslogging lists, without at least a moderate to high amount of meching, will have even more problems when GK comes out.

Portaljacker wrote:I introduce you to my Wolf Guard Terminators.

Couldn't you just use a Brother-Captain model? It is a termie isn't it? It has a 40mm base. What would the gear/appearance differences be?

I don't want to get an extra box for just one termie. Though it would be a better value than the metal model...

Really? I don't play Space Wolves. Is that a RAW thing, or a deliberate omission? That seems daft. I'd let them Deep Strike. *shrug*

As for the mini - you an use whatever you want - as long as it's on the right base and has the right gear. Heck, use a standard terminator - he'll sure stand out!

Willing omission, basically says Russ doesn't trust teleporters do to superstitions.

Void - fluff dating back forever AND a delberate decision. It's why their terminators get to ride drop pods.

Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember that now. Much as I love the Space Marines, I just never liked the Wolves for some reason. It's that whole fur-and-ceremite thing...just jarringly odd. ;-)

Hmm, anyone knows weather the GK orbital bombrdment will have the scatter reduced by the orbital relay holders BS?

It always scatters the 2D6, no reduction.

However if you drop it near a servo skull that will reduce the scatter, probably

I haven't gotten my hands on the book yet, and I'm not keen on pawing through the dozens of pages of threads... Can some kind soul tell me if the Nemesis Force Falchions grant +1 attack for using a pair of the same CC weapon, AND +1 attack for being Nemesis Force Falchions? Seems abusive, if true.

That is a good question actually. The +1 attack comes from it being Falchions, not from being a pair. I would argue in favour of getting 2 extra attacks, but I'm probably wrong.

Pretty sure the falchions are basically the GK version of lightning claws, rerolling wounds and all that, right?

Looking forward to getting my hands on the actual book, although my regular opponent fields massive IG mech+tanks, so should be interesting coming up with a good build.

Nope, just +1A force weapons. No rerolls unless they're getting them from somewhere else.

And against mech IG, Psyrifleman dreads and psycannons everywhere.

No, they nerfed the lightning claw aspect, from what I've read. They just give +1 attack...but I don't know if that stacks with the two identical one-handed weapons main rule. They might "be" a pair, but "count" as one weapon. If it's true that they actually give two attacks (which, it might be - otherwise why call out the +1 in the description?) - then they are offically amazing.

Aye, that's why I'm unsure, if they gave 2 extra attacks, they beat out just about everything else.

Thankfully I have like 3 dreads I think, I barely ever used them, but the new psyrifle dreads sound interesting. Need to figure out point values so I can mess around with a list.

I really like how the purifiers look on paper, also grand strategy ftw. I've been using my GK terms allied in with BA for some time now, it will be nice to just use stuff out of the GK book, although I still think I'll keep the "Red Hunters" chapter tag and paint job. I really don't want to repaint my land raiders.

Bah why didn't they give GKs to space marines in DoW2 as a pure melee unit, I loved those guys in the first DoW.

ph34r wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:And they've fixed the wording on the henchmen/inquisitor/Coteaz debachle. Instead of saying "Henchmen do not take up a FOS", it now only says "Each inquisitor can take a unit. THIS UNIT does not take up a FOS", or words to that effect. Meaning any other unit, like those granted by Coteaz, do count in the FOC.

Ah, feels good to have been right the whole time

Yeah, except for the part where they explicitly did not change the rule at all.

Ah, feels good to have been right the whole time

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I KNEW it! You guys who took my bet owe me a GK army. My Dark Elves remain safe. One can always bet on GW's missing of important facts in rules.

daedalus-templarius wrote:Bah why didn't they give GKs to space marines in DoW2 as a pure melee unit, I loved those guys in the first DoW.

Indeed, they're what made me buy and play with the Daemonhunters Codex in the first place!

The more I think about it, the more it seems like Nemesis Force Falchions give +2 attacks. Now they make more sense. Purifiers - just...wow.

I was just thinking about this, and I've probably missed something. Swords give +1 to inv saves. PAGK don't have inv saves. Wouldn't it be better to totally swap out their swords for halberds in this case?

Cerebrium wrote:I was just thinking about this, and I've probably missed something. Swords give +1 to inv saves. PAGK don't have inv saves. Wouldn't it be better to totally swap out their swords for halberds in this case?

Yes, except Halberds cost points on everything not in terminator armour.

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Cerebrium wrote:I was just thinking about this, and I've probably missed something. Swords give +1 to inv saves. PAGK don't have inv saves. Wouldn't it be better to totally swap out their swords for halberds in this case?

Yes, except Halberds cost points on everything not in terminator armour.

Ahhhh, now it makes sense. Oh well.

VoidAngel wrote:The more I think about it, the more it seems like Nemesis Force Falchions give +2 attacks. Now they make more sense. Purifiers - just...wow.

They DEFINITELY give +2 Attacks

Fact: all Nemesis weapons are force weapons. Force weapons are power weapons, which are singlehanded power weapons
Fact: you are told they are a "pair" of Nemesis Falchions. This means you have 2 weapons, which you know are singlehanded power weapons

Conclusion: page 42 tells you you get an extra attack, and the rules for the falchions give you a further attack.

Quite useful

VoidAngel wrote:No, they nerfed the lightning claw aspect, from what I've read. They just give +1 attack...but I don't know if that stacks with the two identical one-handed weapons main rule. They might "be" a pair, but "count" as one weapon. If it's true that they actually give two attacks (which, it might be - otherwise why call out the +1 in the description?) - then they are offically amazing.

RAW, they give +2 attacks. But it'll probably be FAQ'd pretty quickly.

I dont see why it would be - theyre simply not worth it otherwise.

I figure they'll FAQ it because GW doesn't seem to like internal balance very much.

But if they do keep them as they are now, I can see assault-based interceptor and purifier squads loading up on 5 halberds and 5 falchions being quite popular.

The tricky part is that it says "a pair" and not "two". When GW "means" to give you two weapons, they say "two", as seen in the death cultist entry.

I am in favor of +2 attacks, but I feel like GW probably wanted them to be just +1.

If they are just +1 however, they seem very not worth it.

Yeah, it is very odd. They price them like they are better then the other NFW, but they aren't, without a "hidden" bonus. It seems like they didn't want them to give +2 attacks, but still priced them like they did.

The tricky part is that it says "a pair" and not "two". When GW "means" to give you two weapons, they say "two", as seen in the death cultist entry.

I am in favor of +2 attacks, but I feel like GW probably wanted them to be just +1.

If they are just +1 however, they seem very not worth it.

Exactly, they are not worth their cost if they are only +1A.


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Posting this in two threads to get as many suggestions (or corrections) as possible in this little time so sorry for double post:

Am going to have a game in an hour and will do a batrep of it to show you.
Its GKs vs SM.

So if you have any particular wishes of what to try out in the game you have one hour to affect my build choice.

1500 points.

GK:
Librarian - 175p
Quickening
Shrouding
Might of titan
that flame template power I dont remember its name
summoningl

SSGK - 265p
2 Psycannons
Rhino

SSGK - 265p
2 Psycannons
Rhino

Purifyers - 305p
2 incinerators
10 Halbeards
Rhino

Techmarine - 89p
3 servo skulls

Rifleman dreadnought - 135p

Rifleman dreadnought - 135p

Rifleman dreadnought - 135p

1504p




Salamanders:

Vulkan

10 SS/TH terminators

2 speedeers MM/HF

1 speeder MM/HF

1 Attackbike MM

Tac squad 230
ML, combimelta, meltagun
Pod, locator beacon

Tac squad 230
ML, combimelta, meltagun
Pod, locator beacon

Tac squad 225
ML, combiflamer, flamer
Pod, locator beacon

1505p

So if you want me to add somethingor correct a point cost etc last second let me know and I´ll think about it.
I´ll make a second batrep using something else tomorrow. You can affect builds I and my friend will use.
The options are:
GK
SW
SM
Infantry heavy orks (only bikes boys of all kinds and choppers available)


If anyone out there really want to see a batrep on GK vs infantry orks just throw in some build suggestions as I think orks are real underdogs. Lets build a GK crushing infantry ork army and I´ll consider using it vs GK tomorrow (1850p limit).