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I guess you could say that GW sunk their battleship!

Johnny-Crass wrote:I guess you could say that GW sunk their battleship!

(Face gets all serious)No. No you couldn't.

PhantomViper wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Sorry to de-rail thread but I need to ask where the rumour of a Bloodbowl box next year is from. I haven't heard of this before and would like to know more.

AFAIK its not so much a rumour as it is wishful thinking due to 2012 being the 25th anniversary of BloodBowl.

Actually, Hastings confirmed it, with 4 teams in the box. Best confirmation you can get nowadays.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/399920.page

My FLGS is selling them for £35 due to the fact only about 12 people bought it.

Grimgob wrote:

Johnny-Crass wrote:I guess you could say that GW sunk their battleship!

(Face gets all serious)No. No you couldn't.

Maybe. But you could say that Dreadfleet didn't make waves in the way GW wanted it to.

Didn't quite rock the boat either. Kind of a sinker, really.

And then it bottomed out.

infinite_array wrote:

Grimgob wrote:

Johnny-Crass wrote:I guess you could say that GW sunk their battleship!

(Face gets all serious)No. No you couldn't.

Maybe. But you could say that Dreadfleet didn't make waves in the way GW wanted it to.

Didn't quite rock the boat either. Kind of a sinker, really.

It certainly was a dread fleet after all.

12thRonin wrote:And then it bottomed out.

You could really say it ran afoul of the market.

I don't know what it's like in other places but I haven't seen a single game of dreadfleet go on at my FLGS. Honestly the whole game itself looks stupid, good riddance.

puma713 wrote:

12thRonin wrote:And then it bottomed out.

You could really say it ran afoul of the market.

And that GW really went overboard with their expectations on how well it'd do.

infinite_array wrote:

puma713 wrote:

12thRonin wrote:And then it bottomed out.

You could really say it ran afoul of the market.

And that GW really went overboard with their expectations on how well it'd do.

They should make whoever dreamt it up walk the plank, as it were.

My local store manager said that if anyone in the store will buy it for the employee discount he would sell it.. It still hasn't been sold.

RetroAssassin wrote:My FLGS is selling them for £35 due to the fact only about 12 people bought it.

Oooh, which is your FLGS? At £35 it might just be worthwhile.

Pacific wrote:
And absolutely zero effort was made to tie in the Space Marine video game with events in store and tabletop gaming. Why not have a voucher inside for a free plastic mini, or some other reason to get people to enter the store?

It's almost like they want to stay as small as possible, either that or they really need to rethink whether the people in their marketing department deserve their jobs.

Just want to chime in with that. I couldn't believe it when I picked up Space Marine and there wasn't any stuff on the miniature game in there. You know what was? FFG and their Rogue Trader/Inquisitor/Deathwatch RPG material. The game sold about 250 - 300,000 copies. How many of those were to non-40k players?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Hi all,

I, perhaps, take too much of a perverse pleasure in this sort of news, but it has come to my attention that all unsold copies of Dreadfleet - at least in this part of the world - are to be removed from sale, collected and then destroyed. It appears the all-too-high-price point for this failure of a game has reached the level where GW knows they cannot sell any more and thus have decided to cut their losses. Space Hulk it was not, and when your main target is 8-12 years olds it turns out that nostalgia over Man'O'War, a game that doesn't even count as a 'Specialist Game' isn't a great selling point.

They did a similar thing after 4th came out, sending all the left over 3rd Ed boxes (and all those plastic Marines and Land Speeders) to landfill.

Make of it what you will, and, again, it may be a GWOZ only thing, but there you go. Anyone who is still craving a Dreadfleet fix might be able to find one in our scattered network of gaming stores (assuming you can find one of them), but otherwise Dreadfleet is leaving our shores, so to speak.

I need to find this landfill.

Johnny-Crass wrote:I guess you could say that GW sunk their battleship!

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Omegus wrote:I need to find this landfill.

I heard tell it was this one.

DODcrazy wrote:I don't know what it's like in other places but I haven't seen a single game of dreadfleet go on at my FLGS. Honestly the whole game itself looks stupid, good riddance.

Congrats on your well reasoned argument! Huzzah to you, sir!

Clearly GW didn't shore up enough profits with this one. For those of us that did puchase it though; I don't think our thoughts were too adrift when we spent our money; the miniatures are fantastic.

Backfire wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:I would have happily paid $50 for it. Even $60 would have been okay. $115 though? No thanks.

But OTOH, would it sold even that well if it had been just another $60 board game with cheap components as that price range mandates? One part of the appeal which Space Hulk and Dreadfleet do have is that their components are top-notch, beyond what you usually see at board games and there are always people who are willing to pay for what they perceive as premium. If it had been one of the dozens FFG games in their catalogue, would it have stood out? I highly doubt it. In fact, I am pretty sure that even with probably less-than-expected sales, DF still sold much more than most FFG games do, even GW licensed ones.

Have you played Descent? DF was a one off. I don't see it as even touching FFG in any area at all. As to the original thought, no. Dreadfleet would have took if it were a consecutive game with a point other then the tired old- "Give me your money, NOW!!!, Now @#$ off!!"

Even if it were at 60 bucks, the game doesn't have staying power. Unlike Man O war, there wasn't a specific reason to get attached to it. Was it an introductory game? no. Was it an add on? no.

All it had going for it was a couple of... pretty shineysthat were not all that special. Our stores down here have a couple of copies, and that GW pile is getting smaller and smaller.....

FFG would have done a basic boxed set of more minis thet you can shake a ore at, then spurted out at least two to three add on sets, along with maybe a small box of add ons and the ability to order more ships. FFG is a game company, they make games that have staying power.

GW should have just subcontracted Dreadfleet to them and called it a day, at least then it might have gotten the resepct it would have deserved.

Miniature Market has them on clearance for $70.

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/itc-dread.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=After+XMas+Blitz+2012&utm_content=After+XMas+Blitz+2012+CID_98b8c0060c40e5bd60e1aaf35823a6c7&utm_source=Email+Campaign+Monitor&utm_term=Dreadfleet+Battle+at+Sea

This thread has inspired me. I'm finally down to take part in awesome ship-to-ship combat with my friends.

I put in an order for Battleship Galaxies.

Who Knew that Dead Fleet was going to flop. I for one am not surprised since Uncharted Seas is way cheaper, expandable, scaleable and well. You get the point.

Ouze wrote:I put in an order for Battleship Galaxies.

Now that's a game that needs expansions.

Ouze wrote:This thread has inspired me. I'm finally down to take part in awesome ship-to-ship combat with my friends.

This is why I just bought two small fishing boats and some potato cannons

Kroothawk wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Sorry to de-rail thread but I need to ask where the rumour of a Bloodbowl box next year is from. I haven't heard of this before and would like to know more.

AFAIK its not so much a rumour as it is wishful thinking due to 2012 being the 25th anniversary of BloodBowl.

Actually, Hastings confirmed it, with 4 teams in the box. Best confirmation you can get nowadays.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/399920.page

Thanks for the update Kroot, its nice to see that it was "confirmed"!

If I see a copy floating around for £35, I might buy it.

It's worth that much, not £70 though.

scarletsquig wrote:If I see a copy floating around for £35, I might buy it.

It's worth that much, not £70 though.

There are tons of them on Ebay alone for under £35 starting bids and some around the £35 - £40 mark buy it now; I'm sure a savvy and seasoned Ebay-er could probably pick one up for less than £35, given a bit of luck and a following breeze....

I'd be tempted at that price as well, I'd certainly seriously consider it at least.

At £70 I'm not interested at all. Hell, I still haven't got around to getting Horus Heresy yet, and I'd see that as much better value than DF.

Shepherd23 wrote:I am curious as to how GW can produce a plastic limited edition game with rules, boards, terrain, cards and models, etc., but constantly says that the reason that plastics are so expensive is because of mold cost? If mold cost is so high then how are they getting their money back with limited edition stuff?

Maybe they aren't on Dread Fleet, but the production department will have done its sums and made a chart of cost per unit produced.

In other words, if the mould cost £100,000 and you make one unit, it will cost £100,000 but if you make 50,000 units the cost of the mould is only £2 each.

But you have to sell enough units.

Ouze wrote:This thread has inspired me. I'm finally down to take part in awesome ship-to-ship combat with my friends.

I put in an order for Battleship Galaxies.

That deserves an emphatic:

"Bazinga!"

Grot 6 wrote:
Have you played Descent? DF was a one off. I don't see it as even touching FFG in any area at all. As to the original thought, no. Dreadfleet would have took if it were a consecutive game with a point other then the tired old- "Give me your money, NOW!!!, Now @#$ off!!"

Even if it were at 60 bucks, the game doesn't have staying power. Unlike Man O war, there wasn't a specific reason to get attached to it. Was it an introductory game? no. Was it an add on? no.

All it had going for it was a couple of... pretty shineysthat were not all that special. Our stores down here have a couple of copies, and that GW pile is getting smaller and smaller.....

FFG would have done a basic boxed set of more minis thet you can shake a ore at, then spurted out at least two to three add on sets, along with maybe a small box of add ons and the ability to order more ships. FFG is a game company, they make games that have staying power.

GW should have just subcontracted Dreadfleet to them and called it a day, at least then it might have gotten the resepct it would have deserved.

Yes, I have played Descent. I'm not quite sure what your point is there.

My point was pretty simple - would it have sold more as "just another FFG game"? I am pretty sure, no. Some people would have bought it if it was cheaper and expandable, yes. But then again, some other people would have not, because it was not "GW premium". Which group of people is larger? I don't know. However you put it, appeal for fantasy naval game is limited. Suppose someone puts out a LotR naval game, with Elven and Umbar and Gondor fleets, would it be a big seller?