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2023/04/15 16:17:41
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Until he mentioned it I had never even given that a second thought but... yeah.
I literally did the same thing XD
TNG has so many 'walking through the gaudy shade of red carpeted halls' scenes that yeah the carpets are a constant feature of Enterprise-D, but then I thought of First Contact and it just has very very different camera work. The carpets are there but never are the halls themselves called out in the same way as they are in TNG XD
Something has to show up because even at its best the Enterprise D cannot take on the entire spacefleet. Let alone one with decades of advances.
Now what we might see is a last-chance battle of regular non-starfleet ships in orbit around Earth and in the Sol system. One big thing that was missing in Federation day was, well, non-humans. It almost felt like the Alternate Dimension Picard Day.
So I'd welcome a united stand of alien races bidding to help save the Federation from the Borg (and itself in a way).
Mwhahaha! We will kill all the old (have to be every race even though it makes no sense) Starfleet officer! This paves the way for...
A young person appealing hip reboot! Like that JJ Abrams stuff, but possibly younger. With more or less lenses flair. I haven't decided yet. But lots of young people crewing ships! Oh the angst! The drama! The possibility for a new generation of consumers! All will be as close to borg as I can get them!
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Overread wrote: Something has to show up because even at its best the Enterprise D cannot take on the entire spacefleet. Let alone one with decades of advances.
Now what we might see is a last-chance battle of regular non-starfleet ships in orbit around Earth and in the Sol system. One big thing that was missing in Federation day was, well, non-humans. It almost felt like the Alternate Dimension Picard Day.
So I'd welcome a united stand of alien races bidding to help save the Federation from the Borg (and itself in a way).
It's an annoyingly weird one because obviously getting an extra into the makeup chair for 4 hours to have them be in less than a minute of footage is a lot of hassle. Then there's the issue of a fair whack of Federation member species looking like humans. Bajorans, Vulcans, Risians, Trill, Betazoids, the list goes on and on because of ToS and cheaper episodes of other series.
But as for why there aren't any non-Starfleet ships, Frontier Day is to do with the anniversary of the launch of the NX-01. It's about Starfleet not the Federation as a whole. Ambassadors will be present at official gatherings but not with their own species ships.
2023/04/16 00:00:59
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Earlier in the season Riker mentions the computer virus that incapacitated Picard which fits with the fact he was still somehow Borg despite losing his implants and nanoprobes. I think this will play a part in the final episode.
But can't they just use the transporter to remove the Borg/Picard DNA? Beam them up, hold them in a pattern buffer, remove the Picard DNA and then rematerialise them?
Where does 7 fit in - can she pull something out of the bag?
And the transporters only affect anybody roughly 25yo and younger but does that not just mean that the changelings only need to replace anyone over 25yo? And it feels like everyone has forgotten the changelings have infiltrated StarFleet?
"Dig in and wait for Winter"
2023/04/17 19:35:24
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Earlier in the season Riker mentions the computer virus that incapacitated Picard which fits with the fact he was still somehow Borg despite losing his implants and nanoprobes. I think this will play a part in the final episode.
But can't they just use the transporter to remove the Borg/Picard DNA? Beam them up, hold them in a pattern buffer, remove the Picard DNA and then rematerialise them?
Where does 7 fit in - can she pull something out of the bag?
And the transporters only affect anybody roughly 25yo and younger but does that not just mean that the changelings only need to replace anyone over 25yo? And it feels like everyone has forgotten the changelings have infiltrated StarFleet?
Spoiler:
Remember the Changlings are limited in number, this is a splinter cell of Changlings. Their power was in steadily infiltrating positions of key power in the fleet, but they couldn't take every single position.
I would also expect that since their leader is dead and the Borg are taking over, the Changlings could well have fled the scene. This was never about them taking over Starfleet or working with the Borg long term. We well saw that the Borg had a one-up on them for a long while. The deal was very one-sided and only worked because the Changlings, esp their leader, wanted revenge above all else.
They don't want to be assimilated, so the changlings will have fled.
Heck if they didn't changes are as they are not Borg they will have been terminated.
I don't know if they can cleanse people with the transporters. They couldn't do that for Picard's condition and it might be that after the modifications, the DNA is so embedded that its beyond them to perform alterations on that level. Perhaps, or it might be removable. However they'd still have to transport the entire of Starfleet lower ranks and such. That's a huge number and that's without them commanding a fleet of Starships.
Considering the grand plan it wouldn't surprise me if one of the subtle changes that the Changlings made was to move more senior staff into more Station and off-ship roles and to move more younger generations into ships in key positions. Especially for Federation Day. In the end its a simple operation day of formation flying and such. So could well be a good excuse for the "old guard" to be on the spacestation watching whilst younger generations were left on-ship for the display (and get invited to the Lower-Decks party later )
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Strip out/delete the Changeling addition from each ship. Beam the crewmates, Bob’s your Uncle.
The problem is that they figured out the issue to late to do that. I doubt they'll be able to convince the assimilated to just just change the teleporter coding and then use them. I also doubt they have the capacity to just force all the ships to drop their shields simulataneasly and then teleports 40 ships worth off effected crew simultaneously.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2023/04/17 21:51:09
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
For ethical reasons they likely do not keep long term "Backups" of people who have been transported. So they won't have unmodified versions of the crew. This is a slow burn campaign that's been going on for some time, so chances are any safety limits on stored transporter data are long long gone. Not to mention the DNA change only adjusted their DNA, their bodies then completed the process of taking that DNA and using it during the final stages of maturity. So far as the body and teleporters are concerned, its 100% part of them.
I think this is a change that can't be easily removed.
The weakness is it clearly requires Picard's Son to use it. The Borg can't enact their plan without him, the whole system cannot function. Clearly there's some unique patterning to the encoding and his signal he sends out which means that the Borg can't easily copy that signal. It could even be some kind of adaptive signal so they can't just scan his brain to get the codec. They need him alive (or at least that part of him alive) to control the others.
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'Star Trek: Section 31' Original Movie Event Starring Oscar Winner Michelle Yeoh Announced Yeoh to reprise her fan-favorite role as Emperor Philippa Georgiou, with production beginning later this year.
Actually interested in that - but woried it will be another Discovery /Picard gak show....
I donlt suppose they will be able to keep Burnham out of it either as she is what the whole universe revolves around...
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I've not seen it yet (darn you getting it a day early!!) but DS9 held its own against fleets several times and that was after emergency retro fitting during the Dominion War.
Starfleet Fleet Command has had 20+ years after the Dominion War to armour itself and considering that the war did reach Earth they likely didn't have any issues armouring the station like crazy.
Considering its position and size its a massive focal point for the Federation.
So it likely is armed like a fortress and able to withstand considerable assault.
Never said it wouldn't work just that it wasn't a solution to the immediate problem. It didn't help them while all the youths were trying to kill them and blowing up space stations. YOUTHS!
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2023/04/21 12:40:26
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Just think. A military (despite its protestations, Starfleet is a military. Just not a terribly fighty one, by comparison.) generation, all in desperate need of ongoing trauma Counselling!
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
I was initially worried they would just have a nice, clean end for Picard/TNG and not setup a spin off or new series but luckily they assuaged my fears.
Spoiler:
Apparently many missed the mid credit Q appearance. Not sure how I feel about it honestly. The Q aren't linear and it is always a treat to see DeLancie but Q had a nice way to go out along with the rest of TNG.
When they first showed the cube next to Enterprise D I said "That is a big cube" then when the D started flying around inside it I SAID "WOW THAT REALLY IS A BIG CUBE".
I didn't actually mean to go full fury cap locks but accidentally hit the button but it feels right so I'll let it slide.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2023/04/21 18:05:40
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Always keep in mind Q is even more of a dick than Andrew Tate, and unlike Andrew Tate is in fact pretty much a God.
Q’s star turn in Picard S2 and apparent death is best described as Q, once again, being a dick. Just to see what happens.
Because that is the way of Q, and indeed all Q.
Imagine being genuinely immortal and invincible, beyond the policing of your own. So many short lived species which evolve from goop, achieve sentience and hurl themselves heedless into the void. Faking your own deth is….Childsplay.
I can only hope any follow up series only comes about because the creatives have a solid idea. I’m not even gonna say “good idea”, because that’s subjective, and I’ve seen more than enough Awful B-Movifd that had an interesting, if wasted, premise
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Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
renaming the Titan. That's kinda disrespectful to such a great ship.
Just build a new ship...you managed to rebuild Space Dock in a Year. Presumably with the help of all those folk who for some reason didn't show up for the big battle.
Also, am I psychotic that I was annoyed by the huge pauses for 'but we will kill a handful of people to save the entire galaxy' parts. Maybe it was too much 2nd Edition D&D in my twenties.
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So you all owe me £5. Probably. I can’t evidence that. But it’s true.
