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Now, this has not been announced, but I have been told it recently by a GW store manager.
The necrons are getting an update, and it will probably happen next year. Apparently, the following points will be covered:

1) There is going to be an option for lesser C'Tan as standard HQ choices.
2) There will be a new light vehicle.
3) The monolith will either cost more points or lose 'Living Metal'.
4) All Necrons will have Feel No Pain instead of We'll Be Back.
5) The greater C'tan will be weaker, and the background will describe them as 'Avatars', not the gods themselves.
6) There may be a new C'tan. (I think it'll be the dragon.)
7) Due to the general weakening of the army, they are getting rid of the Phase Out rule.
8) Pariahs will gain a 2+ armour and 4 or 5+ invulnerable save.
9) Warscythes and C'tan no will no longer ignore invulnerable saves.
10) Plastic Immortals.

Topic open for discussion, anyone heard anything else?

God... this makes them even worse than they are now.

I swear if they take away the WBB rule for the FNP universal rule, I will up and quit. Not even my army, but if thats the way the ship is headed Im jumping off.

I have heard the rumblings of the Dragon C'Tan getting a model and rules, though if the fluff is to believed (not that GW follows their own fluff), this would turn the Imperium upside down.

1). Hmm, do Gods belong in games of 40K, lesser or otherwise?
2). Intriguing
3). If Living Metal stays, please sort out the wording to stop all arguments
4). That's a given
5). Much like in Dawn of War computer game, this is a better option than 1.
6). Is the Void Dragon the Machine God? Or is that the other one?

The Emperor is the Omnissiah, the Dragon still sleeps according to Mechanicum.

3) and 4) - Hurrah!

6) Really? So he's NOT on Mars and when he 'awakens' he won't throw the Imperium into the biggest civil war since the Heresy?

The Dragon sleeps under Mars, kept under watch by a guardian for ten millennia.

So he's not there at the moment then? Bother, I was going to get out my telescope

If you read the latter bit of Mechanicum carefully, you'll see that the Emperor bound the Dragon on Mars a long time ago, and the psychic presence sort of fuelled the technological creativity of the Tech-Priests, so basically the Dragon made the Imperium.

I thought that if the dragon escaped then the whole of the Martian priesthood would come crashing down. Mind you, if the Inquisition found what had happened, they would probably chuck an exterminatus at Mars!

I am sure this is from a manager who read the internets (aka this is all old news already out for quite some time). But hey I want new Necron rumors so I'll bite.

I swear if they take away the WBB rule for the FNP universal rule, I will up and quit. Not even my army, but if thats the way the ship is headed Im jumping off.

WBB is a terrible rule and needlesly complicates the game. It needs to go. Surprised this is even an issue for folks that it would change.

It doesn't mean there won't be boosts to it via monoliths and lords either (ways to ignore the AP2 rule and ways to reroll it I am sure are in the works for Necrons if they do go to FNP).

It's probably fruitless even trying to keep this from becoming another 10 page thread. But the store manager likely read these rumors on a message board, because they're the same wishlistly points that have been floating around for a long time. Doesn't mean they might not come true someday. But keep in mind store staff know about as much as you or I do these days.

Funny, I think the WBB rule is much less powerful than FNP, because of the following things:

1) You get to roll to get up as soon as they go down with FNP, unlike WBB.

2) You don't have to have a whole bunch of other necrons around to try to do FNP.

3) Good news for lords: You get to roll to get back up for each lost wound, not just on death.

I'd change Living Metal to something simple like a 5+ invulnerable save or;

go down the Borg route and say that a weapon will only work on it once e.g. a Lascannon causes a penetrating hit on Turn 2, but from Turn 3 onwards, Lascannons will no longer work or;

have it regenerate/repair any damage.

Just some random Flashman ramblings

EDIT @ Gorgon, yes it is fruitless, this is what the internet is for

I like the ideas of an invulnerable save and self-repair.

BrookM wrote:The Dragon sleeps under Mars, kept under watch by a guardian for ten millennia.

You mean one of those 8 pts Eldar dudes? You've gotta be kidding me, they couldn't guard their own spandex jumpsuits if their lives depended on it. Not to mention that a single S3 T3 model is going to do much against (a) God almighty....

Nightwatch wrote:

BrookM wrote:The Dragon sleeps under Mars, kept under watch by a guardian for ten millennia.

You mean one of those 8 pts Eldar dudes? You've gotta be kidding me, they couldn't guard their own spandex jumpsuits if their lives depended on it. Not to mention that a single S3 T3 model is going to do much against (a) God almighty....

Most droll sir.

The WBB rule may have its flaws, but it has its bonuses as well.

The main reason I dont want to see it go is it makes the Necrons unique. What army out there can come back AFTER it died? Necrons. What army has FNP Universal Rule... pretty much all of them.

I seriously don't want to see this game turn into "For your armies special rules, see page 26 of the Main Rule Book"

Just sayin.

And while the dragon Ctan would be awesome, GW would have to redo pretty much every Imperial army to compensate for the loss of the Mech.... or their fluff will make absolutely no sense.

I have to agree. Do not want the Dragon. Especially when the Outsider was hinted at waking up during the 13th crusade world wide stuff. His minions showed up and killed the hell out of some Chaos marines and saved a bunch of IG. Besides, I want an Insane metal god that Hates Harliquins! Who wouldn't?

Oh, and the dragon would royally F up the fluff.

Nightwatch wrote:

BrookM wrote:The Dragon sleeps under Mars, kept under watch by a guardian for ten millennia.

You mean one of those 8 pts Eldar dudes? You've gotta be kidding me, they couldn't guard their own spandex jumpsuits if their lives depended on it. Not to mention that a single S3 T3 model is going to do much against (a) God almighty....

Har Har Har! silly, this is a prefall eldar guardian! he's AMAAAZING!


The dragon would be awsome to have, but lesse ctan is just a little too much for me... the night bringer would just eat them.

we'll be back is part of what makes necrons unique, I'd be sad to see it go, but I dont have experience with it, so...

more points for a monolith! how many points are they? over 200 right?

I think it's about 360 points. A Monolith at the moment is pretty much a super-heavy tank that doesn't have structure points. If I play a 1500 point game with a Monolith and the Nightbringer, unless the opposition has mega-tactics, you can just whack the living backside of all who oppose you.

combatmedic wrote:God... this makes them even worse than they are now.

I swear if they take away the WBB rule for the FNP universal rule, I will up and quit. Not even my army, but if thats the way the ship is headed Im jumping off.

I have heard the rumblings of the Dragon C'Tan getting a model and rules, though if the fluff is to believed (not that GW follows their own fluff), this would turn the Imperium upside down.

If WBB -> FNP would make you quit, you might as well quit now, because that rumor seems the most likely of all.

These changes all seem quite sensible. Light vehicles will surely give the Necrons that extra edge they need to dominate the game.

combatmedic wrote:The WBB rule may have its flaws, but it has its bonuses as well.

The main reason I dont want to see it go is it makes the Necrons unique. What army out there can come back AFTER it died? Necrons. What army has FNP Universal Rule... pretty much all of them.

I seriously don't want to see this game turn into "For your armies special rules, see page 26 of the Main Rule Book"

Just sayin.

And while the dragon Ctan would be awesome, GW would have to redo pretty much every Imperial army to compensate for the loss of the Mech.... or their fluff will make absolutely no sense.

I completely understand what you're saying, at the same time there are great advantages in making every army work by a diffferent combination of USRs. It would chime with the concept that modern kiddies are unable to calculate VPs adding up more than 10.

OTOH we already have a host of codex specific special rules in the SM and Ork codexes so why not have more in a Necron codex?

Of course everything I say assumes that GW Design Studio moves according to a well-thought-out strategic plan, whereas I suspect they actually just toss off a bunch of rules that 'seem right' depending on a combination of the moon phase when the codex has to go to print and what the lead author had for dinner the night before.

Flashman wrote:1). Hmm, do Gods belong in games of 40K, lesser or otherwise?

How do you define 'god?' In this case, the C'tan are gods because no one is really willing to argue the matter with them. They're much more 'physical' than the Chaos gods, sure, and if you read the description of the way they manifest in a body for the tabletop representation, it's really a lot more like the Eldar Avatar. I say let them stay, as long as they're balanced. (I wouldn't want them in Necromunda, for example. Well, maybe as a 'boss' for a weird scenario...)

I like the idea of C'Tan being represented by Avatars. Dawn of War: Dark Crusade did this (the Necron Lord can transform into the Nightbringer) and it made sense to me.

Ardensfax wrote:The necrons are getting an update, and it will probably happen next year.

Topic open for discussion, anyone heard anything else?

Awesome! I look forward to everybody being able to understand how Necrons fight:
- Simplified and nerfed C'Tan? Yes.
- No more "Living Metal" questions? Great!
- FNP over WBB? Perfect!

The only question I have is how GW is going to implement a simplified Phase Out, because that's gotta stay.

How is Phase Out not simple enough? You lose 25% of the Necrons in your army, you lose. Simple as that.

Previous rumors said that instead of having the C'tan themselves on the battlefield, the models would represent Necron Lords channeling their C'tan god. That is to say, a way to remove the C'tans from regular 40k without scrapping the current models. Weaker "C'tans" in 40k are justified and new models can be made for Apocalypse!

With that in mind, giving the Dragon a model would make sense in that it would simply be a possessed Lord; not the actual C'tan.
Well... I don't care what GW does, as long as it means that Necrons have more choices and variety in their army. I really like the models, especially when they are painted in non-metallic colours. New C'tan, new vehicle... my brushes are itching

As for FNP, I'd imagine that a new gimmick would be put in place to preserve the Necron flavor, much like IG losing the whole "use points to buy special units/tactics" and getting orders in return.

Cheese Elemental wrote:How is Phase Out not simple enough? You lose 25% of the Necrons in your army, you lose. Simple as that.

You can't expect gamers to understand percentages or fractions that gaks complex. Did you know 1/2 * 1/2 is 1/4, that doesn't make any sense! How can multiplying two numbers get a smaller number?!? Multiplying makes things bigger.

I just want to see a new codex.removing the complcation of the WBB to FNP does not bother me to much.Just fix it so it has almost the same effect as WBB did so it retains the flavor

avantgarde wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:How is Phase Out not simple enough? You lose 25% of the Necrons in your army, you lose. Simple as that.

You can't expect gamers to understand percentages or fractions that gaks complex. Did you know 1/2 * 1/2 is 1/4, that doesn't make any sense! How can multiplying two numbers get a smaller number?!? Multiplying makes things bigger.

Because 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4 you halve the halve so 1/2 of 1/2 = 1/4