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**reds8n**

swiped shamelessly from Warseer, shouts out to Mr. Avian.

**Alpharius**

If there was every an army that I wanted to see hit with the Nerf Hammer, this was the one!

It will be interesting to see how certain things are "handled" in this...

**Tizz**

Ooohh, i like how gaunt and sickly they look!

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Hmmm, Interesting.

Gonna have to show the other half this when I get home. She was wondering if they'd redo clanrats.

If she likes them I could see her joining the furry hordes as she loves rats.

I certainly think they look better than the current generation clanrats.

**Da Boss**

Woot, nice looking clanrats! I'm delighted for Skaven players everywhere.

**whitedragon**

WOW! They don't look like monkey dogs anymore!!!!! Awesome! Although hopefully they will still keep the cool plaguemonk kit they just did not too long ago for Lustria.

Hmm...how to use those for 40k....

**reds8n**

Plaguemonk kit is staying.

**Oshunai**

So much good news!

I'll be able to start playing fantasy again!

**HiveFleet**

Finally! Skaven that actually look like rats and not slowed labradors with absurdly large hands

**Wehrkind**

Those look pretty slick... they would make great lost and the damned gribblies!

This message brought to you by The Lost and the Damned, the best reason for buying fantasy kits that ever got canned.

**dumbuket**

They still look monkey-like to me. The heads are too big. Disappointed.

**TBD**

Another army where you have to buy tons of stuff just to have decent troops on the table.

They will probably pull the same crap as with the Imperial Guard, so prepare for 10 Rats for 20,- Euro instead of 20 for 30,-

Not something I'd buy, but those models shown do look nice.

**reds8n**

TBD wrote:They will probably pull the same crap as with the Imperial Guard, so prepare for 10 Rats for 20,- Euro instead of 20 for 30,-

Nope.

**TBD**

Do you know that for sure?

They did it with Empire troops as well (but the Lizardmen Temple Guard are a good deal though).

**njpc**

I'm still happy I converted all my clanrats out of plague monk bodies. I like the sickly look these have, so might just use these for plague monks.

The army doesn't need a nerf, its a rank and flank army, its easy to beat if you've ever played skaven yourself competitively. Knowing its strengths and weaknesses are keep. Its not like its going to beat you with a frontal charge at str 3..

**cygnnus**

Hmmm... Having given a pass to the truly awful recent plastics, that's got me tempted! The old Jes Godwin sculpts were great, but showing their age a bit. Those new plastics show some potential.

Have to see how the rest of the line comes out. Well, that and see how the Army Book turns out...

Vale,

JohnS

**reds8n**

TBD wrote:Do you know that for sure?

I am about as sure as I was over the cardboard tiles in Hulk that clanrats will not be in boxes of 10.

..set myself up for a fall now eh ?

**TBD**

njpc wrote:The army doesn't need a nerf, its a rank and flank army, its easy to beat if you've ever played skaven yourself competitively. Knowing its strengths and weaknesses are keep. Its not like its going to beat you with a frontal charge at str 3..

I thought with this army it was mainly the magic and shooting that could be particularly tricky and nasty?

I'm not very familiar with Skaven though, so I could be wrong.

**dumbuket**

Boxes of 15 probably, and a minimum unit size of 30 or something equally stupid.

Not liking the huge-headed hunchback thing. They look like dog-men.

**njpc**

Magical and shooting are nasty but in the current wfb, every book that has come out for the last year has a way to neutralize magic easily...

Lizardman: EoTG+slaan, if an EoTG gets near a skaven army the shockwave kills units fast, plus the extra DD are nice.
Dark Elves: ring of hotek... one minor magic items, stops an entire army.
High Elves: gem that stops magic phase, bonuses to dispel, and lots of shooting
Warriors: so much magic resistance and high armor
Vampire Counts: lots of dispel dice, and disposable zombies
Demons: high MR on lots of units.

**BrookM**

reds8n wrote:
TBD wrote:Do you know that for sure?

I am about as sure as I was over the cardboard tiles in Hulk that clanrats will not be in boxes of 10.

..set myself up for a fall now eh ?

If you say it then it has to be so. You've got a most reliable track record and without all the cryptic BS of those other people who claim this and that.

**His Master's Voice**

Nice, nice rats... nice indeed they are, my love.

Now, I need a driver and a second gunner for the heist I'm planning. Any volunteers?

**LunaHound**

TBD wrote:
njpc wrote:The army doesn't need a nerf, its a rank and flank army, its easy to beat if you've ever played skaven yourself competitively. Knowing its strengths and weaknesses are keep. Its not like its going to beat you with a frontal charge at str 3..

I thought with this army it was mainly the magic and shooting that could be particularly tricky and nasty?

I'm not very familiar with Skaven though, so I could be wrong.

I dont know about magic ( i only use warplock engineers ) lots of dispell dice, decent pew pew during magic.

But yes i agree with the shooting , no matter how strong your unit is , if they get tar pitted by slaves or clan rats, they'll die. ( especially if there is 6 rattling guns waiting -_-)

And yes i love the new clan rats , they are very sharp looking , makes the current one obsolete . Which is ok too! they'll be demoted into slaves !

I dont mind the big head , i imagine them to be able to bite like a dog with rabies.

**whitedragon**

dumbuket wrote:Not liking the huge-headed hunchback thing. They look like dog-men.

Have you looked at the current clan rats?

**dumbuket**

Yeah. It's hunched over monkey men vs these new hunchbacked dog-men. Why can't they just bring back the 80's goodwin skaven in plastic?

**Sirius42**

I really like them, if you look at the proportions of real rats the heads are quite big too, Also they look a lot more dirty n ratty which works, I just hope they redesign the whole lot so there are not 2 strains of skaven (like we currently have with 40k orks, the buggy ork strain then the rest).

**LunaHound**

Wait wait , they look like dogmen? ( not sure if they do or not )

BUT if they do , isnt that just as good?

I was under the impression most people love Kobolds!

woot! paint them up blue!

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm assuming that this little preview is the start of a multi-month combined advertising campaign through WD and their website that will, until its release in Nov/Dec, show us the new units, how the army works, some sample army lists and rules, plus a full listing of all the new releases.

Y'know, like every other games company does wit their upcoming products.

No...?

reds8n wrote:I am about as sure as I was over the cardboard tiles in Hulk that clanrats will not be in boxes of 10.

Yes, they come in a box of 5 at half the cost of a box of Goldswords. 40K gets one squad per box and now Fantasy gets one rank.

**LunaHound**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yes, they come in a box of 5 at half the cost of a box of Goldswords. 40K gets one squad per box and now Fantasy gets one rank.

lets guess how many clan rats per box , and for how much.

Im guessing 20 , with price increase...

**Sirius42**

My moneys on £15 for 20 clan rats.