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Yay for 54 pieces . Less gluing for me.

Thats pretty dang convincing. Great stuff!

LunaHound wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Excuse, did I rad that right. There is a Skaven who wears Power Armor?

Yes , even Warplock Engineers wear power armors. Their technology is so sophisticated !

Actually, only Ikit Claw wears power armour. He also has his Storm Daemon zappy-staff. Warplock Engineers still get their fun stuff like Doom Rockets though.

Read through and reviewed the entire book today. It'll be on my FLGS site in a few days. PM me for info if you haven't read the book or need rumours confirmed, as I'm still lurking here nowadays...

Is it true that the price for poisoned attacks on Gutter Runners is "Ridiculously expensive" (as termed by the list on Warseer)? You wouldent happen to know the actual point cost would you?

Hm, I can't remember. I can have a look at the book on monday when I go to preorder some Skaven, or you can ask on 4chan.

Had a look at it today and I looks nice, but some new inventions bother me. The thing-shredderer (eng. name?) is too steam-punk for me and the newly designed doomwheel is also a step in the wrong direction, imo.

The special characters are nice (and powerful) but rather expensive. Skrolk for example is 470 points, the rat-daemon is 500 points. I didn't thought that snikch would be a hero level char, but he is.

I dig most of the stuff written, the only thing is that you cannot take Plague priests as core only with skrolk... bummer.

Greets
Schepp himself

and some close ups

..note the 2 point slaves and the Vermin Lord.

reds8n wrote:BELL / FURNACE

*pants 'splosion*

Also: *brain 'splosion at cleaning the mold lines off all those spikes*

- Salvage

So very cool!

You know, the Vermin Lord hasn't dated that badly compared to the likes of say... Nagash.

I just wish they would sell the rat ogres without the giant rats. It's a racket, I say!

But Giant Rats are great in the new list.

Dunno about points, but M6, and attack in Ranks is pretty filthy. More or less perfect anti Fast Cavalry unit. Might even be fairly tasty against select skirmishers.

Thankfully, if you don't mind ordering the metal ones, you can get Giant Rats without Rat Ogres. Plus it seems almost every frame in my army will contain some (Doomwheel has 7, and Plaguemonks have, erm, lots). Just need to knock up some Packmasters and job'll be a good'un.

Add in Gnawtooth, and they can go toe to toe with pretty much any infantry. Especially stuff like Witch Elves. Pricey, and easily swamped with your (no doubt, but awaiting confirmation) dirt cheap squeakers.

Whoa, I was at a GW the other day and the Doomwheel is possibly my new favourite GW model. That thing is brilliant.

Does anybody know whats in the battalion?

TheGrin wrote:Does anybody know whats in the battalion?

In another thread , they said the only new content in it is the clan rats.

doom wheel and storm vermin will not be in it...

I think it's 40 clanrats, 20 Plague monks, 1 Rat ogre w/packmaster and 6 Giant rats w/packmaster.

Can't believe how expensive Stormvermin are. 20 plastics for $83 AUD!

Mekboy wrote:I think it's 40 clanrats, 20 Plague monks, 1 Rat ogre w/packmaster and 6 Giant rats w/packmaster.

I'll be really mad at GW if its 20 clan rats , and the other 20 goes to night runners ( to clear their inventory lol )

Has anyone noted that the clanrats actually got cheaper?
They were 20 for 30€ here (germany) and now are 20 for 26€.

Just saying. The Bell/Furnance is a bit on the expensive side, though. But no suprise considering you need two of those maximum.

Greets
Schepp himself

Schepp himself wrote:Has anyone noted that the clanrats actually got cheaper?
They were 20 for 30€ here (germany) and now are 20 for 26€.

Just saying. The Bell/Furnance is a bit on the expensive side, though. But no suprise considering you need two of those maximum.

Greets
Schepp himself

Yes they are expensive , but this time i forgive GW ( omg? )
i factor in that we get a grey seer + rat ogre out of it anyways.

I don't play skaven, probably never will, but they are one of my favourite parts of WFB. I'm so happy to see the great new models and concepts for them. If all new releases were this good I'd be a raving GW fanboy.

If all new releases were this good I'd be a raving GW fanboy.

Points values are still totally off. Nothing to complain about the models & artwork -- Top notch as usual.

Therion wrote:

If all new releases were this good I'd be a raving GW fanboy.

Points values are still totally off. Nothing to complain about the models & artwork -- Top notch as usual.

Yup, agreed.

Hawkins wrote:

Therion wrote:

If all new releases were this good I'd be a raving GW fanboy.

Points values are still totally off. Nothing to complain about the models & artwork -- Top notch as usual.

Yup, agreed.

Erm...why? Honestly curious, haven't looked at the army book that closely.

Greets
Schepp himself

Well the short answer is the warp fire thower as an example, no one played it as it was in the previous addition, the Ratling gun was far more effective and cost less. Now its been uped in points and its not worth the price compared to the other weapons teams.

Another is the Rat ogres, sure they are powerful in there own way, but they have no staying power compared to like costing units in other armies. they are more valnerable than Koragies for instance and cost about the same, it seems that your ending up paying points for the model and not the abilities or Real Value of the model.

But this is not a new problem, in the last versoin this was always the case.

Another point, is the cost of your average clanrat, compared to say a spearman in the Empire, the cost reflects the hoard quality of the Skaven and not the true value. pound for pound the rats are better strait up with the ranking rules, than a spearman, but cost less. (excludeing of couse heroes, outside influences, and such)

So the costs of each unit is a bit skewed, not that im complaing about it, but i do think some things are still to over or underpriced, and that more though should have gone into the points cost.

Now so you dont mis-understand me, this is just a personal view after playing skaven a certain way in Austria for around 6 years, other places and players might disagree, and rightly so.

Erm...why?

The way GW is giving points values is something beyond comprehension. Sometimes a 5+ ward save costs 35 points. Sometimes a 2+ ward save costs 35 points. Sometimes a crappy monster costs 235 points. Sometimes an overpowered monster costs 175 points. Compare Shades with Wood Elf Scouts, etc.

Someone try to explain the 3 point price tag on Night Goblins for example, or the price of Boar Boyz, or the fact that animosity completely ruins games and yet isn't compensated for in any way? Like I said in the other thread, in damn near every European tournament O&G play with 500 points more than their toughest opponents and they still aren't winning any events. That means everything in the army is atleast 25% too expensive points wise, and probably a whole lot more.

The Hydra could cost 225 points. The Masque could cost 150 points. The Giant could cost 150 points. Noone would object. If GW was off by a fraction of a percent I think it would be acceptable but if some units are damn near light years off their real value to one way or the other the gamers simply have to re-point everything or put the armies into tiers and add other restrictions. Skaven seem to be absolutely no different.

Good points. I was talking miniatures only here, comparing the Skaven to the frankly goofy looking lizardmen in particular.

Therion wrote:
The way GW is giving points values is something beyond comprehension. Sometimes a 5+ ward save costs 35 points. Sometimes a 2+ ward save costs 35 points. Sometimes a crappy monster costs 235 points. Sometimes an overpowered monster costs 175 points. Compare Shades with Wood Elf Scouts, etc.

Different author for every armybook doesn't help. It would make things more sensible if one guy would write them all (even if he would be clueless which would be very likely the case with gw).

That wouldn't really be feasible. Id rather that they standardized a metric that the codex writers try to follow.

Schepp himself wrote:The special characters are nice (and powerful) but rather expensive. Skrolk for example is 470 points, the rat-daemon is 500 points. I didn't thought that snikch would be a hero level char, but he is.

Did Snikch also make your "overpriced for what he does" list? To me, he looked like an Assassin that had slight improvements in some areas (Mainly attacks) and had 100pts tacked on in the end. I see no reason for him to cost as many points as he does for what he's capable of doing compared to a regular assassin (Behold, I get two more attacks than my regular comrades!). Thanquol looked most justified to me, if only for the fact of how many more Warpstone Tokens he gets in addition to keeping the re-roll ability (if a weakened version).