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**JohnHwangDD**

The Vermin Lord would make a great special character. Doomwheel is kinda funny, but I could see it.

**H.B.M.C.**

Skaven need the Doomwheel just like they need the Screaming Bell. They need to have their big nasties because otherwise they won't have any. It's not like they have the Great Winged Dragon Rat is it?

**xowainx**

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:No they'll package them in numbers not divisable by 5 because they're a bunch of pricks. Expect 16-man (man?) Clanrat boxes.

Never have I seen a more true comment on dakka.

Except it's ridiculous hyperbole and obviously untrue because all the boxes that are of 16 or 8 models are from the last edition when ranks were 4 wide and all of the plastic kits that have been made since the new edition came out have been 5, 10 or 20 strong.

**H.B.M.C.**

xowainx wrote:Except it's ridiculous hyperbole and obviously untrue because all the boxes that are of 16 or 8 models are from the last edition when ranks were 4 wide and all of the plastic kits that have been made since the new edition came out have been 5, 10 or 20 strong.

Soon as you get a chance book yourself in for a full mechanical service. I think your sense of humour might be damaged or something. Best to get it looked at.

**xowainx**

There's nothing about your original comment that is at all different to the average level of hostility shown towards GW in threads on Dakka, so I don't see where the "humour" in your post lies, unless you're 13 and still find calling people "pricks" uncontrollably hilarious.

**H.B.M.C.**

Saying "Ok, I'll get it looked at." would've been quicker.

**MeanGreenStompa**

I think they look good, they put me in mind of the old Jes G range that first made me love skaven. If they were more reasonably priced I would buy an army of these no probs.

**LunaHound**

Im just glad that it seems like they'll be able to line up better.

No random shield arm sticking out , no tails sticking out.

They arnt the best looking models either no. But I think people just forgot what the current ones look like which is waaaaaaaaaay worse.

**H.B.M.C.**

Maybe they'll do those Poison Wind Globadier guys in plastic in a new box of 10 for the same price as the Goldswords.

If that's the case, then I'm coining the nickname "Golden Globes" right now!!

**LunaHound**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe they'll do those Poison Wind Globadier guys in plastic in a new box of 10 for the same price as the Goldswords.

If that's the case, then I'm coining the nickname "Golden Globes" right now!!

We need:

Plastic Jezzails ( i always wanted 20 of these )
New Censor Bearers ( current edition is even worse looking then previous edition )
New plastic Rat Ogres (redone and hopefully comes in 3s )
Poison Globes: ( if they are to be charged ... $55 plastic ? i hope they get really detailed back packs ) and lots of gas mask heads.
Storm Vermin : The champion clan rat already looks suitable as storm vermin , having hard time picturing them different.

Also either screaming bell or cheese wheel redone in plastic , and the ability to field in multiples ( same way as stegadons )

**H.B.M.C.**

Don't expect everything in plastic Luna. They'll be getting a new core choice, they won't redo the Rat Ogres (they are already plastic), and maybe another regiment style box, perhaps a Sorcerer/Leader plastic box (unless they've stopped making those cool HQ boxes), and maybe a monster and/or chariot style (hopefully the Bell and the Wheel).

And then a second wave that has an Elite unit in it, or maybe two plastic kits - Golden Globes and something else. Depends really on how 'big' the units are. How many Censor Bearers show up in a unit? Globes? Are these big swarm units, or smaller elite specialist units?

I'm only asking because I know little about how Skaven are organised.

**LunaHound**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't expect everything in plastic Luna. They'll be getting a new core choice, they won't redo the Rat Ogres (they are already plastic), and maybe another regiment style box, perhaps a Sorcerer/Leader plastic box (unless they've stopped making those cool HQ boxes), and maybe a monster and/or chariot style (hopefully the Bell and the Wheel).

And then a second wave that has an Elite unit in it, or maybe two plastic kits - Golden Globes and something else. Depends really on how 'big' the units are. How many Censor Bearers show up in a unit? Globes? Are these big swarm units, or smaller elite specialist units?

I'm only asking because I know little about how Skaven are organised.

The censor bearer is Rare / size 5-10 / Disciple unit of plague monks
Poison Globadiers surprisingly ... CORE TROOP: / 2-10 / Skirmishers.

( i know the chance of rat ogre redone is pretty much impossible ... skaven arnt the most popular army anyways -_- )
Just unfortunate they are my favorite part of skaven , and i ended up not getting a single one.

**H.B.M.C.**

LunaHound wrote:The censor bearer is Rare / size 5-10 / Disciple unit of plague monks
Poison Globadiers surprisingly ... CORE TROOP: / 2-10 / Skirmishers.

Core Troops hey? I was kinda hoping they'd be a super-elite rare unit so my dream of being the first to call them 'Golden Globes' could come true, but I digress. I can see new metal models (5 box and 5 w/Command box) for the Censor guys. You can't buy enough of them for them to be worth it in plastic. Plus I can't think of anything clever that links 'Gold' and 'Censor' or 'Bearer'.

LunaHound wrote:( i know the chance of rat ogre redone is pretty much impossible ... skaven arnt the most popular army anyways -_- )
Just unfortunate they are my favorite part of skaven , and i ended up not getting a single one.

What don't you like about them? I'm thinking of picking up a single box, not because I play Skaven but because a pair of Rat Ogres, some Giant Rats and some slaver-y dude would be fantasitc for Warhammer Quest.

Ok, just checked the GW site. Nightrunners will get redone for sure. They've got even bigger hands than the fething Clanrats, so they'll do away with those two abomination kits for sure. New plastic Warpfire Thrower Cannon I'd think, as they have a thing for plastic artillery at the moment. And Censor Bearers could be another.

This speculation would be a hell of lot easier if GW did actual fething previews rather than keeping us in the dark about everything.

**LunaHound**

I dont like the plastic rat ogre's beefy armpit / joints , it look too obvious like a cheap mcdonalds happy meal toy.
( the old one metal conveyed the brutal mutilation of rat ogres really well , stapled skin , chopped off stomp replaced with drills etc etc )

Censor bearer and globedier i was hoping they would change their rules . Almost no one took Censors. ( warp lightening is better in every way )

Plastic Night runners? I love the current ones >.>
they come with so many different weapons and heads the unit of 20 look almost unique ( and no i dont mind the arm and head lol , they can look cute )

Warp fire cannon need new model its out dated ( but ratling gun is too good i dont see any reason to take warp fire ) unless gun gets nerfed ...

**H.B.M.C.**

The reason I say Night Runners is because if they're not replaced there will be this gulf of representation in both core troop units - one unit will have nice new well proportioned models, the other will have jazz hands.

It'll be Catachans vs Cadians all over again.

**Niccolo**

If Globadiers do come out in plastic, I predict bits sellers will do brisk business.

The clanrats pictured looks to have options for armor. Either for clanrats/slaves or clanish clanrats. Of course thats a lot of speculation for just three models. A new Verminlord and the ability to be all Pestilens would bump rats up further on my next army list.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Saying "Ok, I'll get it looked at." would've been quicker.

And humorous, yet as you pointed out he needs that bit fixed.

On topic how ever, those models look good for rats and eventually I may find a use for them.

**reds8n**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ok, just checked the GW site. Nightrunners will get redone for sure. They've got even bigger hands than the fething Clanrats, so they'll do away with those two abomination kits for sure. New plastic Warpfire Thrower Cannon I'd think, as they have a thing for plastic artillery at the moment. And Censor Bearers could be another.

This speculation would be a hell of lot easier if GW did actual fething previews rather than keeping us in the dark about everything.

AFAIK, alas, incorrect on all accounts, with the possible exception of the NIghtrunners... but they might just be repackaged I guess.

Plastic clanrats/slaves box set
Doomwheel
Screaming bell, which also makes some otehr warmachine.. a warpstone cataplu or throweer or somehting I believe from hints dropped by the ever reliable Mr. Hastings on Warseer.
New character models in metal..... one of which is the assassin guy... deathmaster...errr...sniktch or something ?

I keep hearing rumours about another plastic kit still though, so let's keep them crossed !

**H.B.M.C.**

Well I did also say:

"They'll be getting a new core choice... and maybe another regiment style box... and maybe a monster and/or chariot style (hopefully the Bell and the Wheel)."

Which matches with your Clanrat/Slaverat, other plastic infantry regiment kit, Doomwheel, Screaming Bell confirmations.

**reds8n**

....there's perhaps a moral here about doing X things at once.

apologies.

**Alpharius**

reds8n wrote:....there's perhaps a moral here about doing X things at once.

apologies.

reds8n - any hints of the Vermin Lord returning to 'official' status (i.e., in the book)?

**reds8n**

There was talk a while back but the current scuttlebutt says "nay".

That is entriely going off of what other rumour ninjas are saying, but that feels right to my GW "spider sense".

If you dig Skaven you should read "Grey Seer" btw, it's very good.

**BrookM**

So CL Werner finally did a good novel again? I found his two chaos novels rather bad, very bad when compared to Brunner and his Witch Hunter trilogy.

**reds8n**

I liked the first one of those, the Nurgle one. It had a proper old school RoC era feel to it. The Khorne though bored me to tears nearly. Grey Seer is fun though, Thanquol is entertaining and it just works. A fair few old references too -- fake "magnin" throwing knife and a reference to Kweethul ( sp?) from the old LatD book too.

I did a review of it here if it helps.

I prefered it to the Witch Hunter trilogy, but i was reading that in omnibus format and sometimes that can be a bit too much, you know ?

**Alpharius**

Shame about the Vermin Lord, though I guess GW doesn't want Skaven to have a bad-ass name taker in HTH and instead keep the SAFH thing alive?

That plus static combat resolution via gigundo slave blocks?

**reds8n**

Perhaps.

I would say that the idea also muddies the line between them and the "regular" (for want of a better word) chaos gys and gals a bit too and generally of late one of the goals has always been to try and give each army its own theme and flavour and make it a distinct entity in itself.

..but GW seem to change design ideas and goals every third book anyway, so best bet is that this will be a new retro forwards homage tastic brand new themed one.

I would say that one of the ideas of the book from what I have heard is definately to enable players to construct more than one style or build of army, so I don't think players will be forced to only build horde type armies.

.. as to how effective all these builds will be ....

**Da Blak Gobbo**

Maybe it's just me but is anyone picking up similarities or just a look-a-like feel between the District 9 aliens and these skaven?

**Dobie**

I bought a Doom Wheel a super long time ago, but it sucks I can't really use it with the newest Codex since it isn't listed. :_(

**njpc**

I own 2 Doom Wheels and a Verminlord, my friends have been happy to let me try them out.

From my experience a Doom Wheel is a mixed bag, its fast because of its movement, but its tricky to use and and dies really easily. That being said, its fun. If it crashes the flank of a unit it can usually break them. The model is eh, not great, but do able. Many converted/ home builds turn out great.

The Verminlord for his points is simply not worth it in a skaven game under 3k, probably with him... he cannot join units, bonus is your units will almost ALWAYS be leadership 10, based on his base leadership, then rank bonus, minus combat res... your almost always over 9-10, its silly really, but fun. He's also a target, dies super easy, and not overwhelming in the magic phase, he's not really a combat monster, because his attacks aren't that high. Again fun to use, but not all that.

The PDF's that were realized 5 years ago even say by opponents consent, the PDF's were never meant to be issued as a add on to the army book, they were just fun stuff to try. Just like the former special characters PDF's: Ikit Claw, Snitch (who did get re-intro'd in a white dwarf during storm of chase), Plague Lord, and Warlord Squek the headtaker. All fun to use, i only like Ikit and the Plague Lord, who are REALLY good and a bargain for their points.

**CajunMan550**

Must....Buy uhg and I just got out of fatansy!

EVERYTIME YOU GET OUT THEY PULL YOU RIGHT BACK IN!!!