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The Crippler wrote:What is everybody's opinion about the 1/2 point upgrades? I think it's so strange. Wouldn't it have been better to just say - entire unit may have shields for 15 points, or something like that?

Fine by me - this always used to be the case in 3rd edition, models whose base cost was under 5 (or 6 or something) got all equipment at half price..

Ha the one rat has the AVB symbol!!!!!

reds8n wrote:... half a point (yes..they are back) each for a shield.

Cant wait now for the army book.

Groan... the return of the 1/2 points. I'm really fussy with points and like it to round off exactly at the agreed total (don't know why, maybe I'm slightly autistic). 1/2 points used to be the bane of my existence. Oh well, no characters in Clan Rat units now (cos dropping a rat to make way for a character leaves an ugly 1/2 point for the unit total).

God its only half a point!!!

typhus wrote:God its only half a point!!!

Indeed, but we all have our personality flaws. Mine is coping with unspent points in an army list. I just can't do it.

I just think the half-point question is an odd design choice. Really, by saying that they're worth only half point, you're also admitting that in large numbers they're not worth even that much. I think it would make more sense from a design POV to simply say that slaves have a min unit size of 20 and it costs 10 points to give the whole unit shields. Anything beyond the first two ranks of troops is never going to be important anyway.


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Oh, and one more thing...
Goblins are overpaying for their shields in comparison.

I don't think slaves should have shields anyway. Skaven slaves should be in chains, not wielding weapons.

Clanrats have them too and the same logic applies. The 30th clanrat in a block is never going to see combat.

The Crippler wrote:Clanrats have them too and the same logic applies. The 30th clanrat in a block is never going to see combat.

By that rationale, all rear ranks in Warhammer shouldn't have to buy shields. Lol, I can see the quartermasters now...

"Sorry chaps, you're going to be at the back, so no shields for you."
"Erm... what happens if we get charged in the rear, sir?"
"Look, we don't have enough equipment to go around ok, because we didn't adequately prepare for this conflict. See if you can go and blag some stuff from the Americans."

Skrolk
M5 WS6 BS4 S4 T5 W3 I6 A4 LD7
Level 3 caster, chooses from Lore of Plaque,

Man, I hadn't realized that WHFB got into such detail in their schools of magic. Are there items that can specifically counter act these effects, like Floss of Minty Freshness or Brush of One Thousand Bristles?


Hehe I am actually really surprised that I even noticed that... this is good coffee!

Excuse, did I rad that right. There is a Skaven who wears Power Armor?

I'm a bit shocked that that plague priest Skrolk looks like a combat equivalent of a Lord character, yet is also a level 3 caster. These characters are getting increasingly ramped up over the course of the edition.

Sweet baby cats, I may burst

Thanks for all this guys, I'm pretty damn excited all told! Will be converting up my verminlord for fun, but an abomination for serious - that thing is flat out demented! Will be curious how Teh Internets grinds the armybook down, but it seems pretty resistant here to being locked into one build (Skyre, looking at you) ...

- Salvage

@Flashman: Just take even numbers of units.

Wouldn't put too much stock in the stuff from Warseer.... Seems to have ommitted quite a lot of the information given to the Stores to big up the range. Stuff you wouldn't miss. Not saying it's inaccurate for sure, but pinch of salt!

Checked my info's again today, and not only can Gnawtooth soup up Giant Rats, but Giant Rats automatically fight in two ranks, as they swarm over each other! So using that with Poisoned Attacks can be pretty bitching!

Night Runners gain a 6+ Ward, seemingly to represent their overall Ninjaness. They can also enter from any table edge after the first, and are Scouting Skirmishers.

Also, Plague Censer Bearers, when in a certain radius of the Plague Furnace become Stubborn!

Books in store next week for casual perusal!

LunaHound wrote:-Hell Pit abomination: Will this thing get a model?

I want to say yes, considering GW's declining encouragement of conversions. Also, anyone else notice the great increase in characteristic tests in the past year or two? Like GW suddenly remembered "Oh yeah, S and T aren't the only ways to kill someone"?

The change of Weeping Blades from +1 S and D3 wounds to Armor Piercing and D3 wounds limits its use, IMO. Many mutli-wound models (outside characters) tend to be pretty lacking in armor saves already, instead getting durable via means such as toughness or regeneration. Trolls, Ogres, Giants, Kroxigors, Dragons, Wyverns, none really have that high a base armor save. Fluff-wise it makes very little difference (Armor Piercing and +1 Strength are nigh-interchangeable when it comes to what they would do background-wise), but gameplay wise it seems like a limit in power.

With the Warp Lightning Cannon, do you move the template with the shot or only settle it where the "bolt" lands?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Night Runners gain a 6+ Ward, seemingly to represent their overall Ninjaness. They can also enter from any table edge after the first, and are Scouting Skirmishers.

Do you mean Gutter Runners? I'm not going to complain about Gutter Runners gaining a 6+ Ward Save, but I must ask if they still count as having poisoned weapons (or even the option to upgrade to them) or count as having magical attacks.

I don't really know. All the info I have is from the Staff Missive, telling us basic 'cool' stuff about the gubbins.

Might be Gutter Runners. The Skirmishing ones anyways?

As for weapons, dunno. Doesn't say anything on the info I've read, but that doesn't rule it out.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I don't really know. All the info I have is from the Staff Missive, telling us basic 'cool' stuff about the gubbins.

Alright, thanks for sharing by the way.

Might be Gutter Runners. The Skirmishing ones anyways?

Both skirmish this edition. Next edition, it would be Gutter Runners (I wouldn't mind Skaven having a Core choice with a 6+ Ward Save), unless we've all been mislead on Night Runners.

As for weapons, dunno. Doesn't say anything on the info I've read, but that doesn't rule it out.

Any idea if slings will remain useable?

Anung Un Rama wrote:Excuse, did I rad that right. There is a Skaven who wears Power Armor?

Yes , even Warplock Engineers wear power armors. Their technology is so sophisticated !

Anung Un Rama wrote:Excuse, did I rad that right. There is a Skaven who wears Power Armor?

Maybe the under-Empire has tunneled into Albion....

This may have been answered already, but does anyone know if theres gonna be a model of the Hell Pit Abomination? Or if its even real? Or the Thing Shredder or the Globe Mortar for that matter.

It is real, but there is no model scheduled for it AFAIK.

....given that FW are supposed to be plunging into the fantasy arena more I wonder if we might see this from then, at least initially anyway.

Xenthick wrote:This may have been answered already, but does anyone know if theres gonna be a model of the Hell Pit Abomination? Or if its even real? Or the Thing Shredder or the Globe Mortar for that matter.

No models seen as yet. Expect this kind of thing to pop up in Skaven Wave 2 (assuming they're still doing 2nd waves by then, which anyway seems to be more of a 40K thing).

i'll be using my rat giant (see my gallery for wip pics.)

So great time for conversions then!! Any ideas on a reasonable base size? Kinda hard to judge with this kinda thing.

Flashman wrote:Indeed, but we all have our personality flaws. Mine is coping with unspent points in an army list. I just can't do it.

Are you a stickler about unfinished ranks like me?

Although, now that I think about it, 24 Rats fulfills both those problems(it's an even number so no .5 points floating, and can fit a character at 5x5).

pre ordery goodness with more nice pics

Nice, you really get a good feel for the smoke coming off the big censer thing.

Probably the nicest of the new £35 kits so far.