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I play 'Nids. You don't hear me complaining about the Wolves gettin' a 'dex, do ya?

Because you have no right to complain, considering you have had 2 codex's with a 3rd shortly after the new Wolves, while the wolves have had Half a Codex in the same time.

To be honest, I don't know what you SW players are crowing about.

As power levels go, this is a horrible time to get a new Codex, especially for a MEQ. Nothing is broken good in the IG book. And then just look at how powerful and varied the SM are... And the BA... And the DA before them...

But who knows, maybe something will slip in like massed CMLs in 2E, or BCs in 3E+...

JohnHwangDD wrote:To be honest, I don't know what you SW players are crowing about.

As power levels go, this is a horrible time to get a new Codex, especially for a MEQ. Nothing is broken good in the IG book. And then just look at how powerful and varied the SM are... And the BA... And the DA before them...

But who knows, maybe something will slip in like massed CMLs in 2E, or BCs in 3E+...

To be quite honest, we space wolf players are not looking for a broken codex at all. Broken codex's like Dual Lash etc are NOT a good thing.

All we want is a codex that actually works in 5th ed, doesn't have 80% of it as dud ineffective units and has our points costs updated to be in line with the newer codex's

Yeah, having an army that doesn't get updated in the new edition of the rules is like your mommy and daddy taking your kid brother to Disney Land and leaving you at home with an adolescent baby-sitter that plays Super Mario all day.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Yeah, having an army that doesn't get updated in the new edition of the rules is like your mommy and daddy taking your kid brother to Disney Land and leaving you at home with an adolescent baby-sitter that plays Super Mario all day.

No, but having a codex that isnt updated while others get 2 or even 3 codex's in the same time is. Or when an ENTIRE NEW RACE gets 2 codex's before others like Dark Eldar or Space Wolves

As power levels go, this is a horrible time to get a new Codex, especially for a MEQ. Nothing is broken good in the IG book. And then just look at how powerful and varied the SM are... And the BA... And the DA before them..

Yes, nothing. Definitely not the flying predator annihilator that has scout and deep strike is a fast skimmer and can hold 12 guys. Oh and is about 40 points cheaper then a predator annihilator with all of it's guns twin linked.

Or the nine leman russ force. Or the ability to field 400+ models in 2000 points.

Yeah, nothing is broken in that pile of exploitation.

@Shuma:

The Vendetta isn't AV13 and all but impossible to hide, so will drop much more easily. And twin-linked BS3 is necessary to make it perform the same as twin BS4 + 2 BS4.

9 russes are roughly 1500 pts, so that only works in large games - and they engage a maximum of 3 targets...

400+ Naked Guardsmen? Go for it! Especially as it'll now cost you ... (wait for it) ... $880 USD for the models, not to mention the building and painting. For the same money, you can buy *TWO* Warhound Titans. Or a Reaver.

I'm not impressed.

ShumaGorath wrote:

As power levels go, this is a horrible time to get a new Codex, especially for a MEQ. Nothing is broken good in the IG book. And then just look at how powerful and varied the SM are... And the BA... And the DA before them..

Yes, nothing. Definitely not the flying predator annihilator that has scout and deep strike is a fast skimmer and can hold 12 guys. Oh and is about 40 points cheaper then a predator annihilator with all of it's guns twin linked.

Or the nine leman russ force. Or the ability to field 400+ models in 2000 points.

Yeah, nothing is broken in that pile of exploitation.

I forget if you did, but I'm pretty sure you don't play IG, so let me tell you this: nothing you described is broken. The IG still suffer two big problems: they'll bring more KPs than nearly any other army, even with the platoon mob ups, and they still rely on fragile squads for claiming objectives. These aren't insurmountable, and god willing I intend to work past them, but outside of the rather silly priced vendetta, nothing broken is really jumping out of the new codex. Even the vendetta just isn't going to be as ridiculously good as it looks. It's easy to shake and can still only move 6" and shoot all it's guns. It's role as a gunship impedes it's ability transport units, and every heavy weapon on the table can see it and shoot it. Sure, it's going to be a staple of hard IG lists, but one top notch unit does not a power codex make.

JohnHwangDD wrote:To be honest, I don't know what you SW players are crowing about.

As power levels go, this is a horrible time to get a new Codex, especially for a MEQ. Nothing is broken good in the IG book. And then just look at how powerful and varied the SM are... And the BA... And the DA before them...

But who knows, maybe something will slip in like massed CMLs in 2E, or BCs in 3E+...

There is a big difference between Phil Kelly codexes and the other codexes.

I also do not want an over powered codex, but a balanced codex. I do not want to see all of the power gamers pick up the army because it is perceived to be the strongest, nor do I want my wins to be diminished because it takes no skill to win with the army.

CLosing this thread due to flaming and trolling behavior.