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If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

Well , im sure GW is best at telling us what we should like.
Im still going to buy them, going to shave off some of those tumor legs and give them some GS leg armor?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

I have a theory on the Minotaurs.

Bear with me here, it's kind of out there:

We're used to seeing the "generic" AD&D/High Fantasy/Greek mythos minotaur, which depending on the source material is a freakish birth(Greek mythos) or a sentient race that somehow evolved into that form.

Like every other form of Beasts or Servant of Chaos...they all started their lives out as human(or at times--Dark Elven). The Gors and Ungors and Minotaurs aren't naturally occurring or even a freakish birth like the Greek version. We're seeing what is essentially a pattern of mutations that then gets classified as "Minotaurs."

I mean, it's just a theory. But if they're trying to move away from just copying random beasts from lore--it'd be fantastic for them to y'know...rename things.
But they can't really do that either, because somewhere along the line someone would complain.

Kanluwen wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

I have a theory on the Minotaurs.

Bear with me here, it's kind of out there:

We're used to seeing the "generic" AD&D/High Fantasy/Greek mythos minotaur, which depending on the source material is a freakish birth(Greek mythos) or a sentient race that somehow evolved into that form.

Like every other form of Beasts or Servant of Chaos...they all started their lives out as human(or at times--Dark Elven). The Gors and Ungors and Minotaurs aren't naturally occurring or even a freakish birth like the Greek version. We're seeing what is essentially a pattern of mutations that then gets classified as "Minotaurs."

I mean, it's just a theory. But if they're trying to move away from just copying random beasts from lore--it'd be fantastic for them to y'know...rename things.
But they can't really do that either, because somewhere along the line someone would complain.

Well its an interesting theory , but most of us arnt so much worried about how they look compared to generic minos...
we are especially freaked out by the tumor looking muscles that is suspiciously similar to plastic catachans.

*hint hint fire the sculptor -_-

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

Apparently the sculptor was asked to add another layer of muscles to the minotaurs. If you really look at them you'll notice (not that you need to look hard), that they simply have to many small muscles. (ignoring the feet)

For the inspiration of the head:



I would have added larger muscles to the sides of the body, and longer ones to the lower legs.

...and first post.

Luchador Minotaur of Doom wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

Apparently the sculptor was asked to add another layer of muscles to the minotaurs. If you really look at them you'll notice (not that you need to look hard), that they simply have to many small muscles. (ignoring the feet)

For the inspiration of the head:



I would have added larger muscles to the sides of the body, and longer ones to the lower legs.

...and first post.

Interesting theory , but the execution looks nothing like muscles.
It infact , looks like that horrendous fat lady picture i linked in previous page -_-

LunaHound wrote:

Luchador Minotaur of Doom wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

Apparently the sculptor was asked to add another layer of muscles to the minotaurs. If you really look at them you'll notice (not that you need to look hard), that they simply have to many small muscles. (ignoring the feet)

For the inspiration of the head:



I would have added larger muscles to the sides of the body, and longer ones to the lower legs.

...and first post.

Interesting theory , but the execution looks nothing like muscles.
It infact , looks like that horrendous fat lady picture i linked in previous page -_-

If you crop the ears, and the rest of the body, they have the same flat area on the front of the face.

I agree that the muscles look off, and rather ambiguous. They should have just went with more armor as minotaurs with heavy armor would be great.

Thanks a bunch!

1) As for the minotaurs... that's a serious failure. I wasn't planning on getting any anyway, but those are ridiculous. They should have never been let past the green stage.

2) Bestigors... I don't mind them, actually. I like mine better, but I bet I could get those guys to fit in with some conversions. And I don't mind the uniformity- bestigors are supposed to be the rare exception to Beastmen disorder anyway.

3) Gors/Ungors... they look like they can blend in with the current range, and that's about all I can hope for at this point. I quite like some of the Gor axes.

I like yours better too... dunno why you got only 3's
bumped it abit xD

Back from a heavy season's parties with my belly full of cakes and sweets, just to vomit it all by looking at this topic... no its not the fat ladies its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

Also this army shows me again why I totally abandoned warhammer fantasy... ugly same posed big regiments with NO charisma.

If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.

NAVARRO wrote:Back from a heavy season's parties with my belly full of cakes and sweets, just to vomit it all by looking at this topic... no its not the fat ladies its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

Also this army shows me again why I totally abandoned warhammer fantasy... ugly same posed big regiments with NO charisma.

If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.

Iliad is like the Holy Grail of Lost Miniature Manufacturers right now. I'm hunting some of the Barbarians from their line for years and I still can't get them.

NAVARRO wrote:If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.

/sigh

Yeah, that's one beautiful model...

His Master's Voice wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Back from a heavy season's parties with my belly full of cakes and sweets, just to vomit it all by looking at this topic... no its not the fat ladies its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

Also this army shows me again why I totally abandoned warhammer fantasy... ugly same posed big regiments with NO charisma.

If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.

Iliad is like the Holy Grail of Lost Miniature Manufacturers right now. I'm hunting some of the Barbarians from their line for years and I still can't get them.

Vorags are hard to get, I got one this christmas for 120usd.
Here's my dream team I'm hunting down...
And for people wondering what minotaur i was refering to hes the one on top... sculpted by allan carrasco and still the best minotaur ever sculpted.

Ugh, those minotaurs are worse than the plastic Catachans. Just...wow, who the hell gave that the green light? Who sculpted that?

Confusion reigns on warseer where posters seem to think scryer took the photos, even though he credited me and dakka.

Still I made my first ever post over there.

Anyway, as Reds8n indicated, the releases will only get worse when you see the razorgor.

Indeed it will ...behold...shouts out to the ever reliable Mr. Hastings of Warseer...

..separated at birth ?

...I...erm...ahhhh...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

So, that's that then, game of Warmachine anyone?

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Anyway, as Reds8n indicated, the releases will only get worse when you see the razorgor.

Impossible!

OH NO!!! not a Pumba on magic mushrooms!!!!

reds8n wrote:Indeed it will ...behold...shouts out to the ever reliable Mr. Hastings of Warseer...

..separated at birth ?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN new lows.

I have both the black orc (3 flags) and the Taurg from Illyad. Got them just when the company folded at cost. Had 2 of the Vorag Barbarians that I sold off about 12 months ago.

http://jgemrich.smugmug.com/photos/426614341_xFCbS-O.jpg



THe new Minos look very "odd" I mean the exta facial muslcles is just bizaar. Too much Bovine growth hormone I guess.

Sigh.

Well, here's hoping that there're new, better models for 9th Edition.... At least my bank account won't cry now.

NAVARRO wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Anyway, as Reds8n indicated, the releases will only get worse when you see the razorgor.

Impossible!

OH NO IT ISN'T ! .....

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Warmachine anyone?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Oh, come on, nothing Privateer has ever done is anywhere near that thing awfulness. Jebus Q. Buddha! That's some horrible sculpting, though it reminds me a bit of Agrajag.

Wow... these are amazingly bad. Why not just take the tuskers off the old chariot.

I'm really disappointed in the bestigors as well. The horns are too uniform. It is one of those things that really make the regular gors stand out as a nice plastic kit.

I think the mino's look fine. I wonder what they added/subracted from the Gors, and the Ungors look horrible.

LunaHound wrote:
Im going back to using these , so i'll recommend them to you too ^^
sure they arnt cows but... it could work?
<Wulfen Pic>

Bingo Luna, and I know at least a few people using beautiful confrontation werewolves as minos. Ultimately, if the rules aren't utter trash, GW is only hurting itself by releasing uninspiring (ok vomit-inducing) models along with the new book. There are plenty of original beasts players who are quite excited to get their old herds updated and back on the rampage again, with no need to buy new models save for (converting!) a razorgor here or a new character there.

My fear? That the rules are an amateurish mish-mash that falls on its face as well ...

NAVARRO wrote:its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

We have no idea who's sculpting this BoC range, right? Because I do wonder if GeeDub gave the project to some newbie team to practice sculpting a new plastic kit (vominos & same-igors), a couple characters, a biggish monster (horror pig) and revamping and recutting a plastic kit (gors & ungors). Meh, not trying to pin the blame, but certainly not getting anything close to the quality of, say, the plastic chaos cavalry kits off this release

Here's hoping the rules can hold up, because we can always handle the model angle even if The Dub can't.

- Salvage

* Also: I don't totally hate the minos, they'll be good conversion fodder for big mutants and such for years to come. With a more unique color scheme and such they might paint up decent too, and who's to say what else is in the kit. I'm seeing a lot of the same weapons in that shot, but maybe there are armored options, gw options, etc.

I dunno what everyone is complaining about. So they look like they're wearing Hulk inflatable muscles. So what? We'll only be stuck with them for what, the next 10 years? *facepalm*

Ya gotta wonder who the heck greenlit those for release. Thank god I probably have enough metal Minos for my needs.

Regarding the Razorgor, it really is the pile of steaming poo it was rumored to be. It almost looks like one of the famed "stupid things." Which is kinda cool, actually.

Is some of this the result of GW's rumored faster pace of releases?

I don't care about the models. They could be wearing clown hats and I'll buy them if their rules are good. I want another good army book, one that brings Beasts of Chaos up to par with Dark Elves, Vampire Counts, Warriors of Chaos, etc. (I'm fine with us being weaker than Daemons).

It sounds like we are yet another iteration of Fighting Infantry, which still doesn't work. On the other hand, this big monster has some potential, and if the characters are sufficiently awesome (items + gifts = Vampire style characters w/out the magic) and if there's a way to get them into skirmisher units, it could still be pretty tough. We'll see...

Agamemnon2 wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Warmachine anyone?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Oh, come on, nothing Privateer has ever done is anywhere near that thing awfulness. Jebus Q. Buddha! That's some horrible sculpting, though it reminds me a bit of Agrajag.

No, I was suggesting we all just gently put the horrible minis down and go play warmachine instead...