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No, I claimed it was a hoax for long and complex reasons.

This thread IS generating some good discussion, talking points and suggestions.

Let's try and focus on that and not on the personal side of things.

At the end of the day, I think we all want Dakka Dakka to be the best that it can be, right?

Mr Mystery wrote:No, I claimed it was a hoax for long and complex reasons.

Yeah, I know, but at the end of the day you were correct with your original posting n'cest pas?

Mr Mystery wrote:So surely the trick is to simply create topics you wish to discuss, and not enter ones which do not interest you?

For instance, I have always found online tactical discussion to be an exercise in futility, as rather than offer constructive comment and criticism on my chosen (and usually purchased) list, I am instead told such a list cannot win, here go and buy this lolzIrtounywinnah! etc. So guess what, I don't seek it online. I might read the odd topic which seems to correlate with a though I'm having, but I see the same thing. Don't take Unit Z, take Unit A and spam.

And here we go full circle.

1. If topics had clear titles, and there was an enforced standard for creating a new topic, then it would be easier to find the topics you wish to discuss. A thread in tactics titled "Plasma guns" is not indicative of its contents. Is the OP having a problem with people toting plasma weapons? Do they want to know what to put plasma weapons onto? Do they want to know the list types that flavor plasma weapons? Are they wondering if plasma is a popular sponson weapon? Do they want to know if plasma guns have a real life equivalent? You have to enter the thread to find out. That's 90% of the posts in Tactics - unclear titles mean that you have to search through threads for something that you want to read about or participate in a discussion about.

2. In terms of creating topics you wish to discuss....obviously someone cares about which primarch is the best in bed. And it has a bunch of pages of responses. This thread, and those like it - are threads that someone cared enough about or was bored enough to post. The PROBLEM is that they don't belong where they are. They should be in your domain, or in a new domain (40k Watercooler) where they won't cause filtering problems for those looking for actual discussions about miniatures, tactics, or the game.

3. Your particular problem with online tactical discussion - I'm not sure where you form this basis from. Dakka has some very proficient posters in both army lists and tactics; the hardest part of getting good advice is getting their attention. You've never posted a thread to either Army Lists *or* to the Tactics forum, so I think its unfair of you to condemn Dakka for a feature you've never used. On the flip side, if you *HAD* created a thread in Army lists or in Tactics asking for advice about a list, or about a theme that you use...and you had gotten a thread full of responses that were garbage (Don't take Unit Z, take Unit A and spam....) then you would be providing supporting documentation for everything we're talking about in this thread - the Signal to Noise ratio, and the need for some control and direction to be attached to the noise.

Making sweeping generalizations about features of Dakka you've no personal experience with, and coming to a thread to make sweeping generalizations about its posters is the kind of sensationalism that you're quick to try labeling on others. Please - relax. Read this thread before posting in it. Don't be desultory or inflammatory. There's no need for any of that here.


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Monster Rain wrote:

Honestly Dash, if you really believe you weren't being a little bit rude in that thread I don't know what to say to you.

Not every moderator alert gets answered, not every flamebait post gets moderated or deleted, and when someone shears through my efforts to help with a slew of personal attacks, I *WILL* defend myself. If you don't know what to say to me, feel free to say nothing at all.

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Making sweeping generalizations about features of Dakka you've no personal experience with, and coming to a thread to make sweeping generalizations about its posters is the kind of sensationalism that you're quick to try labeling on others. Please - relax. Read this thread before posting in it. Don't be desultory or inflammatory. There's no need for any of that here.

Like you just were DoP?

Maybe I'll just go and start some good tactics threads instead of reading this one.

So you look into a thread, find it not what you thought, and leave. Or perhaps encourage the poster to give it a better title? Simple enough, and that's the community taking responsibility for their community.

My tactical one is indeed a generalisation, and has proven true (to some degree) on all boards I have frequented.

Dashofpepper wrote:Dakka has some very proficient posters in both army lists and tactics; the hardest part of getting good advice is getting their attention.

I think this is really getting to the meat of it. I can PM dash or Polonius or others for advice but the community would be better served by having that same great advice out there to be discussed and considered by everyone. That's what a FORUM is for, as opposed to a blog. A blog is predominantly about one-way communication: story-telling, lecturing, etc. A forum is about dialog: we are here to have conversations and debates. There's room, in a "watercooler" for the sideshow elements. But the main event is wargaming as both a fulfilling hobby and a competitive game, which range of topics deserve the most support.

Frazzled wrote:
Like you just were DoP?

No Frazzled. And you relax too. Have a Captain Morgan on me.

I think the technical term is "chillax". And yes, it's a good idea

Good ideas generated by these threads, lots to think over... the possibilities are there!

Edit: And we do need to push for the drunken orkmoticon to happen... would be useful right here

So surely the key is for the posters who are known to contribute solid ideas and thoughts to create more threads for discussion, sort of sowing the seeds as it were.

No point complaining if you won't step up to the mark.

Mr Mystery wrote:So surely the key is for the posters who are known to contribute solid ideas and thoughts to create more threads for discussion, sort of sowing the seeds as it were.

No point complaining if you won't step up to the mark.

That's not the solution. That's been done. You really should read through the thread.

I'm not seeing how you would mod out the posts though.

topic on plasma cannons. Somene says PCs are cool. Somoen says PCs suck and provides an excel sheet. Somoene says PC's are too expensive and cites orks.

Are you going to delete the first post?
How are you going to quantify what is or isn't a good post?
How are you going to sift through all the posts in the Tactical?

Dashofpepper wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Honestly Dash, if you really believe you weren't being a little bit rude in that thread I don't know what to say to you.

Not every moderator alert gets answered, not every flamebait post gets moderated or deleted, and when someone shears through my efforts to help with a slew of personal attacks, I *WILL* defend myself. If you don't know what to say to me, feel free to say nothing at all.

So be the bigger person. Someone having the last word on the internet isn't exactly the end of the world. Honestly, a little less drama with you at the center would be a lot better for your "internet persona" than constantly being at odds with people.

What's that old saying about catching more flies with honey?

@RiTides:

Drunken Orkmoticon must happen immediately!

Who do we talk to about that?

Dashofpepper wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:So surely the key is for the posters who are known to contribute solid ideas and thoughts to create more threads for discussion, sort of sowing the seeds as it were.

No point complaining if you won't step up to the mark.

That's not the solution. That's been done. You really should read through the thread.

My take

Well, would have been hypocritical and churlish to not practice what I preach.

Frazzled wrote:I'm not seeing how you would mod out the posts though.

topic on plasma cannons. Somene says PCs are cool. Somoen says PCs suck and provides an excel sheet. Somoene says PC's are too expensive and cites orks.

Are you going to delete the first post?
How are you going to quantify what is or isn't a good post?
How are you going to sift through all the posts in the Tactical?

I'm presuming you're just screwing with me at this point to get me to repeat myself, so I'll just link where you asked me this earlier.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/319323.page#1972543

And my earlier response to when you asked the same question: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/319323.page#1970541

Dashofpepper wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'm not seeing how you would mod out the posts though.

topic on plasma cannons. Somene says PCs are cool. Somoen says PCs suck and provides an excel sheet. Somoene says PC's are too expensive and cites orks.

Are you going to delete the first post?
How are you going to quantify what is or isn't a good post?
How are you going to sift through all the posts in the Tactical?

I'm presuming you're just screwing with me at this point to get me to repeat myself, so I'll just link where you asked me this earlier.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/319323.page#1972543

And my earlier response to when you asked the same question: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/319323.page#1970541

No I am not screwing with you. As you are aware, when you've been screwed with by "Dakka's Sr. Mod" you'll know it!

Seriously how would you handle that, as its a question you would deal with in, well every thread.

Dashofpepper wrote:
I'm presuming you're just screwing with me at this point to get me to repeat myself, so I'll just link where you asked me this earlier.

I presume Frazzled didnt find your previous answer satisfactory, thus insisting on a new answer or altered one.

Cheers

It goes up and down for me. If I wasn't the only one contributing gay sex topics to the OT forum I'd be a lot more interested

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:It goes up and down for me. If I wasn't the only one contributing gay sex topics to the OT forum I'd be a lot more interested

Oh come on. There's plenty of Dark Eldar discussion! That's not close enough?

Dakka is probably the best moderated forum I frequent imo and long may it stay that way. Just take a trip over to BoxingScene forum to see how much worse things can get wrt fanboys, abuse and all....

Monster Rain wrote:@RiTides:

Drunken Orkmoticon must happen immediately!

Who do we talk to about that?

Well, the facepalm orkmoticon happened through a few people modifying a current one (I believe it went like this: Kyley posted a thread, Arctik_Firangi posted a still image, SilverMk2 and others attempted messing with it, finally Borkin made one, Gwar! tweaked it, and voila! User-generated facepalm orkmoticon and lego added it to the list .

Thread where it began:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/265813.page

Thread where it came to final fruition:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/301091.page

So if we really do want one, the way to go about it would be to start a Nuts & Bolts thread and get our more talented users inspired to make it a reality! I personally think it should be based off of this one: without the "z" and with a bottle in its place . Not sure if that's still PG enough for the kiddos, but I think it is

@ Mr Mystery- Nice, a WHFB tactics thread! Will add a comment when I get time tonight/tomorrow, as I've seen an interesting trend with horde formations, especially at 'Ard Boyz

Iron Angel wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:
I'm presuming you're just screwing with me at this point to get me to repeat myself, so I'll just link where you asked me this earlier.

I presume Frazzled didnt find your previous answer satisfactory, thus insisting on a new answer or altered one.

Cheers

Edit, oh wow there's a real PC thread right now. Mine was hypothetical talking about PC tactics. Sorry, that may have been part of the confusion.

TBone the terrible is doing double facepaw in shame at what his human has done.

Frazzled wrote:

Iron Angel wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:
I'm presuming you're just screwing with me at this point to get me to repeat myself, so I'll just link where you asked me this earlier.

I presume Frazzled didnt find your previous answer satisfactory, thus insisting on a new answer or altered one.

Cheers

Edit, oh wow there's a real PC thread right now. Mine was hypothetical talking about PC tactics. Sorry, that may have been part of the confusion.

TBone the terrible is doing double facepaw in shame at what his human has done.

Pics or it didn't happen.

You know, when I was new here I didn't get the whole "wiener dog picture" thing. Now I crave them.

wyomingfox wrote:Again, I find nothing wrong with posters telling someone they are wrong, assuming that you back your statement up with facts or logic.

This is a key point. When quotes and/or page references was made compulsory YMDC became a much nicer place for a short time since only the people that could be bothered to check the rules before posting were answering questions. It went back to normal fairly quickly though.

Monster Rain wrote:
Pics or it didn't happen.

You know, when I was new here I didn't get the whole "wiener dog picture" thing. Now I crave them.

TBone deigns to grant your request. Fear the demonic gaze of TBone!

Monster Rain wrote:You know, when I was new here I didn't get the whole "wiener dog picture" thing. Now I crave them.

Exactly . Same experience here...

Edit: Craving satisfied

That is a very demonic gaze.

It's like he can see my soul.

List feedback and tactics are terrible. I think it's because a migration of Warseer users have come over

Painting is always cool.

Rumours down because G.W has clamped down so that's not the sites fault.

Rules section I don't go in, not worth the hassle.

Too many arguments on here which need to be sorted I think.

Monster Rain wrote:That is a very demonic gaze.

It's like he can see my soul.

That's because he can. They've got this mystical ability to look into a person and control their very being.

Frazz has experienced it, and I'm proper fethed(owning 3, they command me to acquire more, as well).