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I'm going to continue to play my Inquisition. I'm treating Henchmen as troop choices who do take up FOC slots with Coteaz. So when the FAQ does inevitably say they do count as taking a troop slot, I won't need to change my list.

Anyone who does want to field them as not taking up a slot is welcome to do it, but just know that I will refuse to play you. I am but a single man, but if I know that I'm following the rules as they were intended, I will feel a little better about myself.

so with no help form anybody i've found the PDF on scribd, if it's true, your guard are going to be happy as you now have two armies, OH and for them, plasma guns are only (Removed) points, sweet, but at only a BS of (removed) kinda sucks, but you can have 10 in a single squad for (removed) that's less than a leman russ for 10 plasma gun, oh and did I forget storm ravens... yeah, time to convert that valk to add assault cannons like I always wanted. Guardsmen mixed with MC, mixed with terminators... this is going to be amazing.

"Guardsmen" don't quite work as there's no option for a simple lasgun...

"Jokaero are heavyset, orange-furred apes with retractable fingers and toes"

Ok seriously this codex must be a red-herring just to mess with us.

But just in case this is the real deal I'm gonna grab some AT-43 Karmans.

Plus the allies rules are gone. Vanished. Null. Guardsmen and this army are now totally separate entities.

The way I understand coteaz is he makes henchmen troops and removes the rule that states one henchmen squad per inquistor. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

tech66 wrote:"Jokaero are heavyset, orange-furred apes with retractable fingers and toes"

Ok seriously this codex must be a red-herring just to mess with us.

But just in case this is the real deal I'm gonna grab some AT-43 Karmans.

They're just bringing back old Rogue Trader races.

For anyone looking to model up Coteaz and not spend $45 on the box set I'd recommend a chaos warrior and this bit from reaper.

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/hawk/latest/P03456C

Good find Kyoto.

I am on the fence with this Codex.

Part of me wants to have nothing to do with the absurd marine creep. I hate Marine codexes all the jack-assery they represent.

Part of me wants it because the "special" grey knight unit you could field in Dawn of War is what got me into 40k in the first place. I didnt even know it was a miniatures game till someone mentioned it in passing.

The worst part about the new GK's is like someone already said, a lot of WAAC gamers who dont give two thoughts about their army on a personifiable level will immediately paint all their space mens silver and go from there.

I suppose I could either

A) Wait for an update to my Eldar. Maybe they will get some things that GK's dont completely shut down just by existing.

B) Play Necrons when they come out. Hopefully they are geared to simply kill marines, which I know is slightly hypocritcal of my issue with GK's blanking my Eldar, but is more indicative of my hatred of marines in general, which are often as spammy and gimmicky as it gets.

C) Play an inquisition list and take a single squad of GK's to have a slight throwback to the GK's that got me into 40k to begin with.

Who knows?

cyrax777 wrote:The way I understand coteaz is he makes henchmen troops and removes the rule that states one henchmen squad per inquistor. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

it's not a dead horse, it's a brilliant, vibrant lovely thoughbred. Ah I can see it now, guardsmen in chimeras loaded next to dreadknights, and drednoghts and GASP...we can now have that lustfully beautiful Adeptus mecanicus army we've always wanted..... GAH THE TERMINATORS MAKE GREAT PRAETORIANS!!!!! DREADNOUGHTS MECHANATIONS *FROTHS AT MOUTH AND FLATLINES*


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Slinky wrote:"Guardsmen" don't quite work as there's no option for a simple lasgun...

Yes there is, well hot shots lasguns.... or ....oh..... *flatlines again* boltguns. for a point..... *flatline again* [size=24]THE ADMECH HAVE RISEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOW BEFORE THEY"RE AWESOME!!!!!![/size]

gendoikari87 wrote:BOW BEFORE THEY"RE AWESOME!!!!!!

No hurry then?

lord_blackfang wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:BOW BEFORE THEY"RE AWESOME!!!!!!

No hurry then?

Dohohohoho.

But yes, this book will work VERY well for an AdMech counts-as.

Looks at Draigo's fluff.

Braying. Daemons.

I see what you did there, Goto.

I just realized something, with this book we will have a character existing in two different books with two different sets of rules and statlines, but supposedly representing the same guy at the same point in the games timeline, at the same time. Karamazov exists in the current WH book, and will be in the upcoming GK book.

Huh, that is true. I'm trying to think of any that would intersect, but I think Karamazov is the only one.

hey that's right, karmazov IS in the current WH codex ..................you know warrior acolytes can have bolters and power armor......................................................................and um they have Ordo Malleus, hereticus, and Xenos inquisitors.................................................... the only thing missing........ is the exorcist....... and an ACTUAL witch hunter entry.................and um..... it's blatantly obvious this is a working copy, as in a prototype ......anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

Do we know for sure that it's at the same time? Maybe this codex creeps the timeline forward a few years.

gendoikari87 wrote:anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

Maybe. But without quite as much punctuation.

Commander Endova wrote:Do we know for sure that it's at the same time? Maybe this codex creeps the timeline forward a few years.

Well, as far as I can tell looking at the unit entries in both books, they don't really specify anything, they just give a basic, near identical description. Nothing noting anything that would place one to be significantly further back in the timeline or not.

lord_blackfang wrote:RAI version: Because they're Troop choices, and Troop choices are 2-6. If GW wanted them to be scoring and stay unlimited, they'd just make them scoring, not move them to Troops (see Sternguard.)

RAW version: The "do not take up a slot" text is in itself ineffectual, because "slot" is not a defined game term and is to my knowledge not used anywhere else ever. The proper term used in the rulebook and all codices for the little boxes on the FOC is "choice" or "selection." So by RAW, even without Coteaz all Henchmen count towards your Elites allowance.

You are wrong. There is no debate.

Here are how your arguments fail:
RAI argument: They are troops because they enable you to fulfill your basic requirements with only henchmen. They also become troops for deployment. This is not the same as sternguard.
RAW argument: This is completely nonsensical and if you ever attempt to use it you will be laughed out of the store along with the people that claim wraithlords can't shoot because they have no eyes and thus cannot draw line of sight.

Give it up. Coteaz = as many henchmen squads as you want, troops, and no slots used.


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Cerebrium wrote:I'm going to continue to play my Inquisition. I'm treating Henchmen as troop choices who do take up FOC slots with Coteaz. So when the FAQ does inevitably say they do count as taking a troop slot, I won't need to change my list.

Anyone who does want to field them as not taking up a slot is welcome to do it, but just know that I will refuse to play you. I am but a single man, but if I know that I'm following the rules as they were intended, I will feel a little better about myself.

There is nothing to suggest that they intended it. If they wanted them to take slots they would have said "they take slots". Heck, they could have said that he enables you to take 6 squads instead of say not limited.

Lol. They'll HAVE to release an FAQ. The brokeness of Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands in that case would be too much.

Jokaero and Chimeras would be their own form of Fish of Fury.

whoa... jakero can each fire their digital weapons as a lascannon. ..... epic lascannon weilding troops.....

Mr Hyena wrote:Lol. They'll HAVE to release an FAQ. The brokeness of Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands in that case would be too much.

Jokaero and Chimeras would be their own form of Fish of Fury.

I agree that henchmen squads of 3-5 in transport vehicles might be overpowered and unfun. I hope if they decide to make a rules-change that they do not nerf those of us that just want fun fluffy henchmen armies, and just nerf the transport spammers.

All I want made clear (or had its rules fixed to do this) is Henchmen count as troops.

That just about kills the transport spamming, Jokaero spamming lascannon mechanised army. AND it keeps the customiseable feel of an Inquisition army intact.

20 lascan jokero in 4 chimeras + cotez and a dread knight.... thats all i'm saying

Then they glance your 4 chimeras once every turn and you have 1000 points of useless crap.

Jokaero, frack yeah! It's nice to see some of the Rogue Trader goodness coming back.

ph34r wrote:Then they glance your 4 chimeras once every turn and you have 1000 points of useless crap.

As a mech IG player, easier said than done, especially if you have another 1000pts of stuff they have to deal with.

Vaktathi wrote:

ph34r wrote:Then they glance your 4 chimeras once every turn and you have 1000 points of useless crap.

As a mech IG player, easier said than done, especially if you have another 1000pts of stuff they have to deal with.

lol 4 jakero in chimeras + coteaz is like 1700 points


it's all irrelevant though, found a nail in the coffin of this being for real, crusaders are armed with a power weapon and storm shield, for 15 points....

Are we talking 6 units of 4 jokaero or 4 units of jokaero? Either way, it's around 1200pts or less. 4 units of 5 jokaero in a 5 chimeraa +coteaz is just barely over 1000pts.