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aka_mythos wrote:
I think people are hating on the fact its going to live up to what its suppose to be. What is there that is justifiably and uniquely space wolves? All the non-codex chapters are just different organizations of the same basic list concept, with a few additions. Short if Leman Russ himself being in the book, there isn't too much they could add.

Exactly. And what's wrong with the Space Marine dex? As a Dark Angel's player I'm seriously considering using it, and calling my army the angels of the winged dagger or something.

If these are correct, then I expect with the removal of the Exterminator that GW will remedy other weird, out-of-line things like all the goofy stuff you can do with Wolf Guard battle leaders and heavy weapons.

I think it's a given that HQs won't be able to take Heavy Weapons in the next 'dex.

As a space wolf player, these rumors are a bit depressing. I hope these rumors are just that...rumors. Most of the stuff listed does not sound very interesting, and I have a hard time believing Grey hunters will have 2 attacks.

Last I heard, they planned on Grey Hunters to be equipped like the CSM are, maybe that is what the original poster of these rumors meant?

aka_mythos wrote:I think people are hating on the fact its going to live up to what its suppose to be. What is there that is justifiably and uniquely space wolves?

Umm... they're not a Codex Chapter? Why don't we start there.

This isn't like the Blood Angels or Dark Angels being given entire books despite both of them being Chapters that (mostly) follow the Codex Astartes. The Space Wolves have an utterly alien organisation for most Marine Chapters, in much the same way as the Black Templars have a different organisational structure as well.

Not making the most of a revised Space Wolf Codex would be a terrible waste of an opportunity. Simply making it Dark Angels Mk.II, with all of the blandness and horribly boring options that made that Codex such a failure will do nothing but make Space Wolves less popular.

BYE

aka_mythos wrote:What is there that is justifiably and uniquely space wolves? All the non-codex chapters are just different organizations of the same basic list concept, with a few additions.

Huh? SW, like BT, are demonstrably non-Codex. SW don't follow the UM Scout -> Tactical -> Dev/Assault -> Veteran progression at all. They don't mix weapons in their Tactical-equivalent Grey Hunter squads. They don't have spare wounds in their Devastator-equivalent Long Fang squads.

If you look at variance, it's like this:
- Codex Marines (no divergence)
- Blood Angels / Dark Angels (small divergence, pretend to comply)
- Black Templars / Space Wolves (large divergence, cannot pretend to comply)
- Chaos Marines (heretical divergence)
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BigToof wrote:what's wrong with the Space Marine dex?

It only really allows one to play armies consisting of 10-man Bolter Marines with Transport.

If you want to do anything else, avoid!
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padixon wrote:Most of the stuff listed does not sound very interesting, and I have a hard time believing Grey hunters will have 2 attacks.

Last I heard, they planned on Grey Hunters to be equipped like the CSM are, maybe that is what the original poster of these rumors meant?

I'm not sure why the rumors should sound "interesting". The SW list concepts are well-developed, so there shouldn't be huge changes in theme or design. Mostly smaller stuff in cleanup from 3E to 5E.

If Grey Hunters are Bolter, BP&CCW, then they have effectively 2 attacks.

LOLZ...HBMC and Johnny said nearly the same thing! Will wonders never cease.

I just cannot get over that GW would drop the Leman Russ tank. I mean it is so cool and all for a Space Marine chapter to have.

Anyways yeah SW will get access to Wulfen. I just hope they make Ragnar the external warrior instead of Lorgar!

G(rminar)

That would totally suck if they dropped Logan Grimnar, he is currently one of the best looking models for space marines not to mention the hairiest! (Though he is indeed still yelling... or howling... yiffing?) Haveing Ragnar as Chapter Master would suck ass.... Personally I just hope they get the flavour right. Without Viking Werewolves in space to laugh at us crossdressing goths will have nothing to point and laugh at....

Green Blow Fly wrote:I just cannot get over that GW would drop the Leman Russ tank. I mean it is so cool and all for a Space Marine chapter to have.

Anyways yeah SW will get access to Wulfen. I just hope they make Ragnar the external warrior instead of Lorgar!

G(rminar)

If the IG rumor of a Russ kit with an Exterminator variant is true, then I'd be really surprised if it wasn't in the new SW codex. Easy way to sell more models.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I just cannot get over that GW would drop the Leman Russ tank.

Iron Warriors lost their IG Basilisk, so SW will lose their IG Russ.

But don't worry, you get them back in Apoc.

Remember kids, Jervis loves his Space Wolves big time! I wouldn't be too surprised if he rewrote the rules, background and whatever else to "get them right"

If Jervis wrote the rules, and the Wolves get the DA treatment...

...All Wolf players prepare to drop your chapter for Vanilla.

Nonono, Jervis really loves them, he keeps saying that this is a pet project of his due to the SW being the only good guys remaining in the Imperium, the rest being rapists, looters and murderers. He really wants to do them justice.

Not that I am buying any of that though.

Yea, he loved the dark angels so much he sucked all the love out of me so I dropped them for Vanilla.

(wow, I may have said that wrong.)

If those rumours come true they will, for good and bad, be in line with Dark Angels.

The slowdecline into "everybody plays Ultramarines" might have started.

JohnHwangDD wrote:But don't worry, you get them back in Apoc.

That's your solution to everything DD...

BYE

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:I just cannot get over that GW would drop the Leman Russ tank.

Iron Warriors lost their IG Basilisk, so SW will lose their IG Russ.

But don't worry, you get them back in Apoc.

Why didn't I just think of it that way! Brilliant, now I can stop whining about my IG automatically losing in KP missions too, because I can just take land raiders and carnifexes as troops... in apocalypse!

BrookM wrote:Remember kids, Jervis loves his Space Wolves big time! I wouldn't be too surprised if he rewrote the rules, background and whatever else to "get them right"

Actually I'm fairly certain Phil Kelly is writing it. Or at least part of it, he was when we last spoke to him a short time ago.

reds8n wrote:

BrookM wrote:Remember kids, Jervis loves his Space Wolves big time! I wouldn't be too surprised if he rewrote the rules, background and whatever else to "get them right"

Actually I'm fairly certain Phil Kelly is writing it. Or at least part of it, he was when we last spoke to him a short time ago.

That is something of a relief.

wow if phil Kelly writes the codex it will be the most broken one ever.

G

I cannot imagine that Gray Hunters are gonna get more expensive, they are already pretty costly.

Green Blow Fly wrote:wow if phil Kelly writes the codex it will be the most broken one ever.

G

As a Space Wolf player I'm hoping it is as good as Phils other codex offerings!

Deadshane1 wrote:If Jervis wrote the rules, and the Wolves get the DA treatment...

...All Wolf players prepare to drop your chapter for Vanilla.

I would never drop them for nilla marines, even if the new dex is not as good as the codex ones I'll just suck it up and do it for Russ. I play the wolves because I like the models and fluff, not because of the rules. If it makes it harder to win with them then I'll just have to become a better player now won't I.

I agree. I have been playing Wolves since Rogue Trader and there is nothing short of turning them into Eldar that would make me quit using them. They are the only army I have owned until recently and they will continue to be for as long as they have them. I started a new Codex army so that Ican team them up for Apoc games. Some of what has been mentioned is ok. I would much prefer they just update everything to 5th rather than any massive changes. They are effective and full of character a rarity in the game nowadays in my opinion.

Green Blow Fly wrote:wow if phil Kelly writes the codex it will be the most broken one ever.

But characterful and fun.

ph34r wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:I just cannot get over that GW would drop the Leman Russ tank.

Iron Warriors lost their IG Basilisk, so SW will lose their IG Russ.

But don't worry, you get them back in Apoc.

Why didn't I just think of it that way!

Brilliant, now I can stop whining about my IG automatically losing in KP missions too, because I can just take land raiders and carnifexes as troops... in apocalypse!

I dunno. Maybe you need more Apoc in your 40k?

I don't whine about IG KP at all, because Apoc doesn't *have* KPs.

Um, you know that Apoc doesn't have default rules for stuff switching FOC type. Land Raiders would still be Non-Scoring Heavy or Transport, while Carnifexes would still be Elite or Heavy. But there is a handy Apoc strategem that makes Carnifexes (and other models with wounds) Scoring.

When I tire of IG in Apoc, I'll play my Biel-Tan-type Eldar with Scoring Aspects and Wraithstuffs.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't whine about IG KP at all, because Apoc doesn't *have* KPs.

So you've got 5th Ed on your Ignore List as well? Gee man, you really do solve a lot of your problems by sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending they're not there. How's that working out for you... oh that's right you can't see me...

BYE

"Ignorance is bliss", is that your second name? Apocalypse isn't the answer to everything damn it!

BrookM wrote:"Ignorance is bliss", is that your second name? Apocalypse isn't the answer to everything damn it!

It's pretty darn close.

I'm having a lot more fun playing Apoc than I ever did playing tournament-style 40k.

Iorek wrote:Njall Stormcaller.

His raven will hopefully be a cool piece of wargear this time around.

Yeah, it will be a raven shaped cod-piece and be completely out of scale withthe rest of his body.