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I couldn't vote for any of the options really, because none matched what I'd like them to do:

Be very on-the-ball and make immediate erratas, changing the parts that need fixing/updating/invalidating/validating of each codex so it stays valid and updated, without releasing a new codex per se. Change points costs even, if necessary. Take Witchhunter rhinos down to 35 points, make them come with smoke launchers, add the self-repair rule, etc.

I think they should wipe the slate clean and invalidate everything pre printed and include it all in a black codex until they republish everything.

More than anything, I know this murders inventory for retailers, so I actually admit this is probably a bad idea.

But as a player it's what I would like.

But then, I'd also like to see Army books, big hardbacks with multiple codices in them, like:

FORCES OF CHAOS (Beasts Demons and Mortals)
ELVES OF THE OLD WORLD (Dark High and Wood Elves)
THE EMPIRE (All the men armies)
SPACE MARINES (Every single Chapter in a single book)

But thats because I am old enough to remember slaves to darkness and Rogue Trader.

This poll wan't designed as 'pick the best possible way for 40K/WHFB to be updated' but rather a simple way to gather data on this particular question. GW has previously used both methods when updating their game systems and often people throw around statements about how many (or how few) people prefer one way or the other, so I figured it would be interesting to actually see what the ratio really is (at least based on online players).

The reason being so few poeple like either option so whichever of these 2 poor options GW go with the majority of the gaming community will to unhappy.

I know it's not how they work and I know we don;t understand their full R&D overhead. However to me it seems reasonable that a decent FaQ and Erratta could be released in line with a new rule book. We're not talking 3-4 months of games dev here just 1 week tops dev time from each codex writer to fix the codex fo rthe new edition. No new units or new profiles just playing with the existing rules so they work in the current rule set.

Is that really too much to ask? Granted given their general attitude to FAQS, erratta and well written rules it may seem like asking the earth. But seriously why can't they just fix the most broken rules parts that they must have come across in play testing anyway with existing armies?

I voted for no preference just because I don't really care too much. I prefer when the codices are released gradually. If they released them all at once, the gameplay will get stale, as everyone would know exactly how everything works. I also like some of the codices the way they are, so I'd really hate to see them go as soon as the new edition is released.

Spellbound wrote:I couldn't vote for any of the options really, because none matched what I'd like them to do:

Be very on-the-ball and make immediate erratas, changing the parts that need fixing/updating/invalidating/validating of each codex so it stays valid and updated, without releasing a new codex per se. Change points costs even, if necessary. Take Witchhunter rhinos down to 35 points, make them come with smoke launchers, add the self-repair rule, etc.

They're expensive for a reason. Witch hunters are cheaper per model than marines, so a dedicated transport should equal the price of a unit out. Not only that, but the marines are the ones repairing it,not the vehicle. Obviously, SoB aren't capable of fixing a tank,so their rhinos shouldn't get repair. They should get smoke launchers though..Almost all imperial vehicles have them.

Why should sisters cost as much as marines with the same gubbinz when sistrts aren't as good?

Having survived the 2nd->3rd ed transfer of 40k(at least at the time I played (shudder) space marines) and the 5th->6th fantasy changeover (which caused me to quit playing fantasy as I detested the lack of an army book for my armies and had to completely restructure my army anyway...) I despise the 'get you by' pdf rules. I think a faq clarifying any rules change for each codex is a good idea. Having to watch your army lose all of its nifty things because GW decided to bone you with a new edition that invalidates all previous codices just a year after your codex was released is totally lame.

Giving everyone pdf rules with the release schedule for codices will straight up bone any non space marine player (the release schedule seeming to be one space marine chapter for every non SM codex...) For dedicated Xenos players like me (kill the filthy monkey men) such a change in GW practice would almost certainly drive me away from the hobby. so unless you want the SM/non SM player imbalance to be even greater than it currently is, you should probably keep the codices valid for new versions of the rules.


in other news:

Samus_aran115 wrote: Obviously, SoB aren't capable of fixing a tank,so their rhinos shouldn't get repair.

while I agree with your vote (somewhat, given the two options i definitely do have a preference (see above) this strikes me as just the tinyest bit sexist why cant sisters know how to repair things?

(edited for capitalization, spelling and grammar, and to keep from double posting. not for content)

Which method makes the most money?... I choose that one.

I prefer all polls have a tilted bias or pretext in the question.

Wait, not that

I don't see a difference in the choices...either way some armies will be unbalanced after the action. So I'd rather have GW focus on keep releasing new books, than trying to do "make-shift" rules near an Edition release.

Later,
WR

Agreed WR

what are they doing for 8th

Lolwhat? It's fifth edition right now,how would we know?

Or if your talking about fantasy,idk.

ChocolateGork wrote:what are they doing for 8th

Considering they just recently released the beastmen book, they're probably going to ruin, er I mean run it the same way 5th edition 40k.

Whichever makes the GW shareholders the most money, face it its all about $$$ and has very little to do with gaming

In an ideal world I'd like all codecies to be released with the rule book. Dont worry about models, they can come out in waves afterwards. It would (hopefully) keep everything balanced and fair.

The get you by codexes do nothing for the game. GW already releases the Codexes way too slow as it is. If all Codexes became obsolete overnight, you might see some armies really left in the dust.

I kind of agree with the rulebooks and codices coming out all at once, its the only way to truly balance things, plus they could include dates in the codex of when the new models are coming out, allowing people to plan out their purchases and not get left behind by having a "broken army" though i do kind of like my codex being a bit old... I like my version of POTMS better then the new one

i think the codexes should remain the same but some armies are getting such good codexes its become so unbalanced.

ps i think you spelled it wrong gw calls them codexes

I refuse to use the broken spelling just because GW doesn't know how to properly pluralize words, and how can you say the codices are fine? My black templar ones still have rules stating "When shooting a unit that is not the closest no matter the strategical reason, -1 to your leadership to try and shoot that unit> I'm quite certain that rule is quite old, thus proving that Black Templars at least need an update, though I do hope they keep the old POTMS <crosses fingers>

Unbalanced doesn't bother me that much since i play friendly games.

Not really sure how I feel,I kinda wish there was a way to stay valid but not unbalanced.

I think all the codices and army books should be redone when new core rules come out. That way nothing is heinously unbalanced or has the "last edition" codex syndrome. Of course, if GW does this, they will make less money, so it probably won't happen.

They should at least re-release old kits when new codices are released, they've been good about this lately, but there are some codices (like CSMs) that have things that are never used due to modeling constraints (Personally, for me, like Noise Marines. I would use them if they came with more than one Noise Blaster, preferrably 10...).

*nudge*

*sigh*
Who am I kidding? Plastic cult troops won't exist for years...

As long as GW continues to do what they have been doing and publish errata to fix major problems I don't see anything wrong with updating codecies as they go. They did it the other way in 3rd edition and it was a freaking mess.

I do however believe that they should update EVERY codex at least once per edition!

People keep complaining about the balance of the game. Yes it can be a problem but it's faaaaar more balanced that it was 15 years ago and overall, barring rules exploits and horrid min/maxing, is one of the most balanced games out there.


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ZacktheChaosChild wrote:...... that have things that are never used due to modeling constraints (Personally, for me, like Noise Marines. I would use them if they came with more than one Noise Blaster, preferrably 10...).

*nudge*

*sigh*
Who am I kidding? Plastic cult troops won't exist for years...

Yeah that made me really angry too! I bought the *noise marine* kit and was pissed when all it came with was a few metal heads and bits. I had assumed that it was going to be like the Thousand Sons kit that comes with everything.. You can buy the Sonic Blasters seperatly in a blister but they are $20/blister and you only get 4 Sonic Blasters and 1 Blastmaster per pack. This means you need to buy 2packs to outfit a single 10man squad! I think all said and done my 20 moise marines set me back over $150 >.<.

Sad, just plain sad

I dont rely mind that much

I think that the "get you by" temporary lists would be terribly imbalanced and poor, but I wish they could update their books faster. Then again, considering the amount of errors in their books right now, maybe it'd be bad to speed up their production times.

I saw a post somewhere about having ring binder army books. You could make the pages outs of tough card stock, publish errata as stickers, laminate an army list page so you could write on it with marker and rub it off. You could put out new rules for units without having to invalidate existing stock, and only replace the whole thing when there was a huge load of update material to go out with it.

I think what a lot of people miss is that if there were a new edition with a bunch of "get you by lists" EVERYONE would have "get you by lists". It wouldn't be one army unfairly penalized over another.

For me, 6th edition was the height of my enjoyment with Fantasy. They started it off with a PDF full of "get you by" lists called ravening hordes. They were simplistic rules with small magic items sections and only a few special rules for each army, but because everyone was playing with the same thing, it was great!

People think you have to have the Matt Ward whacko special rules or Phil Kelly underpricing treatment on your codex to have fun. This is simply not the case.

For me, 6th edition was the height of my enjoyment with Fantasy. They started it off with a PDF full of "get you by" lists called ravening hordes. They were simplistic rules with small magic items sections and only a few special rules for each army, but because everyone was playing with the same thing, it was great!

For most hobbyists though 3rd Ed 40k (which had the same thing) was the worst time for them as their armies lacked any colour or options. If you want a perfectly balanced strategic game play Chess. Warhammer is so much more than that.

I agree!

Personal opinion is when the new main book comes out, GW should take offer a trade in for the old codexes and swap out for the new ones free of charge....but that's just me.