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It has to be in INAT, because it is in the GW official FAQ.

No.

5 point guardsmen are a better cannon fodder..

And that's coming from an old school Alpha Legion player who misses the old days of 2nd edition where we could send in cultists armed with nothing more than a sharp pointy stick.

There is a simple difference between conscripts and regular combined infantry:

LD5 to LD9 stubborn

kill 5 conscripts and 15 men will retreat. Kill 19 guardsmen and they will hold.

tank shock 20 or 50 conscripts and they will retreat.
tank shock 10 regulars and they will hold and DOG you to death if you are uncautious.

The opponent does not need to charge the conscripts, he will just send 2 rhinos to scatter them and your whole first line is crying without even being shot at.

No, conscripts are not worth it.

And SiTNW just boost the costs of the "nothing" so that they are more expensive than regulars, but worse in combat....

We have plenty of ways to boost LD. . . Lord Commissar, Priest, Primaris Psyker, Yarrick. Doesn't Chenkov also boost LD in a bubble? Or is that just stubborn?

Im liking the Creed/Kell combo with Chenkov and essentially using a small Conscript PLT to provide 4+ cover to Chenkov's PLT (all three elements would be stubborn and the Conscripts are rolling on LD10 within 24 inches of Creed to get back in the fight). I wouldnt pay the points to Send in the Next Wave. Id take the cover for a turn or two and be happy.

The second Blob would be led by Al'Rahim of course with some help from an Astropath.

Creed would be ordering HW teams within 24 inches to Bring It Down (also using his LD10) to support Chenkov's advance.

Throw in 3 Stromtrooper squads with meltaguns for some diversity.

All for the cost of about 1850.

That army sucks so hardcore. So many overpriced models...

lol an elite foot guard list ... ouch

kaiservonhugal wrote:Im liking the Creed/Kell combo with Chenkov and essentially using a small Conscript PLT to provide 4+ cover to Chenkov's PLT (all three elements would be stubborn and the Conscripts are rolling on LD10 within 24 inches of Creed to get back in the fight). I wouldnt pay the points to Send in the Next Wave. Id take the cover for a turn or two and be happy.

The second Blob would be led by Al'Rahim of course with some help from an Astropath.

Creed would be ordering HW teams within 24 inches to Bring It Down (also using his LD10) to support Chenkov's advance.

Throw in 3 Stromtrooper squads with meltaguns for some diversity.

All for the cost of about 1850.

God. That army is one ogryn squad and three squads of Griffons away from being the most spectacularly underwhelming thing I've ever seen. Moves like Green Tide, hits like a firewarrior squad. I must say though, I'm dangerously close to contemplating the 20 man conscripts squad. At least for a couple test games.

I'm kind of leaning towards ditching the blob army, and getting an Armored Veteran army, but its going to be "Old Fashioned".

Thanks for all the great advice and replies on this thread, if you are not to busy, or or are bored, would you mind checking out my new idea thread, and tell me what you think of it?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/331514.page#2185135

Noob question but wouldn't the squad that is removed by SiTNW count as killed and therefore be KP for your opponent? Or is that overridden since they basically are replaced by an identical squad?

Yes, the KP is awarded to your enemy, it is just like the Tyranid unit that spawns guants, after you kill the squad that is spawned, the opposing player gets the KP.

That is why it is a tough army to use in Annihilation.

@ revackey. Thank you!

That's what I thought. As much as I love IG and know that our troops should die like guardsmen, I dislike the idea of handing over a KP that really wasnt earned. It's like Gen. Patton said about retreating from territory that had already been taken from the enemy "I don't like paying for the same real estate twice."

Yea, Conscripts seem far to pricey and uncompetitive for me, great quote too! haha.

revackey wrote:I'm kind of leaning towards ditching the blob army, and getting an Armored Veteran army, but its going to be "Old Fashioned".

Thanks for all the great advice and replies on this thread, if you are not to busy, or or are bored, would you mind checking out my new idea thread, and tell me what you think of it?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/331514.page#2185135

Armored Veteran is old-hat, and not even that great in my experience. It absolutely folds as soon as something reaches your lines. All those "six veteran squads with meltaguns!" armies never really did very well.

The best IG army uses a combination of veterans and infantry squads. You can always use a blob for ablative armor for your artillery and to hold objectives, plus as a source of cheap heavy weapons.

Im laughing from the responses to my army post! Yeah - its got a crazy number of expensive characters in it, no doubt. And Im sure it looks GAWD-AWFUL on paper.

Look past the characters and you'll find 150 guardsmen, 52 PW attacks on the charge from stubborn units, 9 LD10 BiD Lascannons, 2 BIG Infantry Platoons that Outflank supported by an Astropath, and 10 BS4 Meltaguns (some of which can benefit from BiD). This includes 3 suicide melta storm trooper squads to round things out (these could be more INF squads if I wanted though).

By no means saying its a proven tournie winner. Unorthodox - certainly.

revackey wrote:Yes, the KP is awarded to your enemy, it is just like the Tyranid unit that spawns guants, after you kill the squad that is spawned, the opposing player gets the KP.

That is why it is a tough army to use in Annihilation.

The conscripts are part of a platoon, so for the Kp...doesnt the enemy have to kill off the entire platoon?

No. As KPs are awarded on a unit by unit basis, not by FOC selection.

L. Wrex

I used them today in an annihilate mission, together with Chenkov and a Lord Commisar, they didn't budge. I positioned them so that they gave my whole army a 4+ cover save (I deployed in a corner) and effectively denied any tank or melee unit to pass it. I was against a Blood Angels player who sent out Dante at me, my conscripts locked him up and even managed to kill a termy (I kid you not.) who later joined the fray.

Because of the wall of flesh, I managed to fire an unhealthy amount of fire power into the enemy and keep my army relatively safe with clear LoS. The cover save prevented MANY wreck/explode rolls on my russ'.


Though now that I look at it, I really didn't need the SitnW or even Chenkov, the Lord Commie played his part and the role probably may have been played better by a Primaris Psyker attached. Oh, and also, I had 50 conscripts when perhaps 30 would do just as well.

That's my two cents, it worked great, I lost, but I learned a lot, and that's what counts, I might incorporate it again as it really confused my opponent as to how to appreciate this covered blob firing at them from the corner.