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ChrisWWII wrote:Hey, if we're lucky, maybe we'll get a live action Gaunt's Ghosts movie or something in the far future!

*drooling*...
that would be AWESOME!!!
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Agreed, Kind of "Platoon" with 'nids as VC... Could work.

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I should start a poll...which Gaunt's Ghost book would make the best movie... is there a way to do that?

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Well...

Overall I enjoyed the movie and was happy that it was made. I do not regret seeing it in the least.

With that said, yes the CG was sub-par from what you would expect to see as standard these days.

I am still confused about a lot of the fluff violations that existed within the film. Things that where just completely illogical from anyone who has read through what is available to us. I would have hoped that the creatores on every level of creation where involved deep within the cannon, forced to read if you will.

So with that said, an entire company of Imperial Fists where delegated to protect a book in a shrine that can be moved. They do not ever say what the tomb did or why it had to be protected there at that spot. So after they are all obliterated by the Black Legion this tactical squad is able to just walk up to the shrine. Where were the warriors that slew the entire company? Just chelax-ing? As far as the AP2 bolters, it's a movie they have be heroic for it to have any sort of exciting qualities. What would have been nice though is if they had traitorous gaurdsman to mow through and show off what a bolter does climaxing in a hand to hand confrontation with the Black Legion, ping ping of bolter rounds off the power armor of the black legion while shredding traitorous gaurdsman to pieces.

Ok, so why was a notable Captain leading a squad of freshly fleshed out Tactical Marines? Where they really the only ones on the strike cruiser? Where was the support staff, the gaurdsman, etc. We see one servitor as the only interaction that a Space Marine has on the strike cruiser save their other battle brothers. It would have made sense if they had a platoon of gaurdsman with them as well to showcase what exactly a Space Marine is. For instance if I knew nothing at all about 40k than codex pictures and Dan Abnett simply introduced a human with a big gun and cool armor without explaining anything about what a Space Marine is. As it stands now their is no differentiation.

So then they are dropped off with support from a land speeder but have to hoof it for miles to get to the site of the attack. Couldnt even give them a rhino or at least drop them closer? Seemed silly.

I did however enjoy the banter. They are battle brothers, this banter I believe would exist as a way to enstill healthy competition and reduce stress.

Out of the whole movie I think I liked the intro fight scene the most as it is the only part of the movie in my opinion that showcased what a Space Marine is.

Well 40k Radio (shout-out!) interviewed Dan Abnett. From what I took from the interview they will not be doing a sequal but if the movie sells well enough will be expanding to cover other chapters. So the next one might just showcase _insert favorite_ chapter here with a completely different plot. If you guys want to see more of these than we have to buy them.

I do gaurantee they are listening/reading this feedback so type away gentleman.




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It was watchable. The story was alright, but nothing too special. I didn't care about any of the characters really, and I knew pretty much what was going to happen from the opening scene with them fawning over the warhammer. Environments and technical/mechanical models were beautiful, the characters looked a little goofy. Giving a stronger eye glow to the Marine helmets would have gone a long way. Animation was mediocre. I'd give it a 5/10.

They should have instead gone for something more stylized. The movie was trying to look realistic but just got stuck in the uncanny valley. You need a real budget to get something to look really real, and they didn't have that luxury.

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Brother SRM is absolutely right, a stylised version would have probably been more appropriate to their budget and been a more effective vehicle for story development. There are better battle sequences in THQ DoW and DoW2 if i am honest.

EDIT I do not know why they didn't scan in Mk7 power Armour models. The Space Marine Helms looked wrong, i tried to correct it by watching in 16:9, the backpacks were too small and the bolters slightly too large, the opsition of their arms, shoulders and heads were wrong. Jes Goodwyn and that take real care with Wire armatures to get proportions and relative position correct. There seemed to much copy, paste type animation, some proper motion capture with several subjects would have got rid of that horrendous wooden look, The walking down steps looked terrible.

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Grey Templar wrote:
the only area that could be improved was the graphics. they weren't the best, but they certaintly weren't the worst and they gave complete justice to the 40k universe.

the outdoor scenes could have been done better, but it is the only area i see a flaw.


if you like 40k you should accuire a copy and show GW and Codex pictures that there is a market for 40k movies.


   
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evilsponge wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
the only area that could be improved was the graphics. they weren't the best, but they certaintly weren't the worst and they gave complete justice to the 40k universe.

the outdoor scenes could have been done better, but it is the only area i see a flaw.


if you like 40k you should accuire a copy and show GW and Codex pictures that there is a market for 40k movies.




that is a fail.


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Th3ee Legged Dog wrote:
Well 40k Radio (shout-out!) interviewed Dan Abnett. From what I took from the interview they will not be doing a sequal but if the movie sells well enough will be expanding to cover other chapters. So the next one might just showcase _insert favorite_ chapter here with a completely different plot. If you guys want to see more of these than we have to buy them.

I do gaurantee they are listening/reading this feedback so type away gentleman.



I rather see an actual story driven movie set in the 40k univerise instead fan spank flims for people who already know way too much information about their perfered flavor of space marine. Also a better animation company


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I'd just like to add...I was most upset at the complete lack of acid spitting

   
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evilsponge wrote:
I rather see an actual story driven movie set in the 40k univerise instead fan spank flims for people who already know way too much information about their perfered flavor of space marine. Also a better animation company


It's not the company, it's the budget. Give them the budget of Avatar and you'll get your beautiful movie. That, and you really should watch the movie. It's not 'OMGZ SMURFS ARE THE AWESOME!!!one!!1!' it's much more. 'Smurfs are the focus of this story'. There is exactly one line in the whole movie which could even qualify as Smurf loving, and that is easily excusable as hyperbole. This film is not more GW the Smurfs can kill anything, it's much more theSmurfs just so happen to be our main character.

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Gorechild wrote:I'd just like to add...I was most upset at the complete lack of acid spitting


hahaha yeah! I want to see some king cobra action now!
Also if thats the case why didn't they eat some of the flesh from an Imperial fist to gain some of its memory instead of wondering into the shrine blindly


So I watched the movie and I did enjoy it. I honestly have 1 complaint!!!

CHAOS!!!! why were they so damn weak?! and crappy!? I know chaos is "crazy" but those black legion were behaving like Khorne berzerkers just blindly rushing into close combat all the while they might as well have been naked with that poop armor. I guess Ultramarines gives off an aura reducing power armor to a 6+ armor save lol.

Spoiler:
I liked the first encounter with the Daemon though it was pretty rugged and took a lot of damage all the while smashing some marines up.

BUT the last fight ended terribly why did he just stand there and allow himself to get smacked by a thunder hammer? he put up no fight! just stood there and died.


and that better not have been a Daemonprince far to stupid and weak.


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Don't worry he died because he knew Tzeentch had a devious plan and that he had to make a sacrifice. You just have to learn how chaos works, its all perpetual carnage no beginning, no end and no real point just keep the blood flowing.

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Let's be honest here; it was never going to be competing for the Oscars was it? We need to cut the producers some slack and remember that they were working with a limited budget and animation is very costly to produce. This was a first attempt at showing the 40k universe and we should be pleased that such a film now exists. In regard to the storyline, I don't see what else they could have done; They couldn't do a very involved plot nor could they leave a cliffhanger or call it part one. They had to do a stand alone story. I like it. Personally I don't care if the animation is not up to everyone's high standards, this was a first attempt and they will have learned a great deal through production which will benefit any future film.
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Eldar Savior, to be honest I don't know. If the 12 year plays action video games he's probably seen the same level of violence that this film has.

 
   
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I think most twelve year old's would dismiss it as S.h.i.t because they are used to production values of Call of Duty or other media. It takes a bit age and experience and a bit of honest reflection to appreciate this.

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I was watching Terminator 2 since I was like 9 years old I turned out alright

and yes if you can't make the movie to what WE want then why make it? don't get me wrong I liked the movie but we have every right to rip it down as we do to raise it. after all they made it for money. and we watched it for enjoyment.

if budget is an excuse then you have little business making such a movie =P but they never made that excuse we made it for them.

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Well GW has always had an aversion to spending money on anything but mini's and let's face it...even in that they gouge the gak out of us.

So...on a first pass. Not so bad.

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It was OK to poor. If my buddy down the street made it I would say it was awsome... but he didn't.. I had higher expectations and it did drag and was a bit lame and predictable. I am glad it was made and it didn't embarase itself but it did little to expand the player base.
   
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Soladrin wrote:Even though I was hoping for something good, It just failed to deliver...to short to be anything of substance. ...All in all, if I had to give it a number it would be a 4/10.


Soladrin has it, I agree completely. I think a first time effort for the 40k movie needed to establish the background much more with plot points that are painted with a broader brush, this film focused on the minutiae to much. While there are many things to like, mostly visually, it just failed to explain anything that makes the 40k world so much more rich than what was displayed. I realize this was probably a release for the fan base, but even then, it pushed the limits of cogency, even for the already indoctrinated. The great irony being, the already indoctrinated would want something more exciting than the patrol of 12 men. In a massive universe of perpetual war, aliens, cults, magic and technology, a backwater patrol of 12 men just isn't that dramatic or exciting, it almost feels, pointless actually, with no greater causes being served for the heroes or protagonists.

In a sentence:

Spoiler:
Why did someone a big lonely space castle on a remote planet get built to protect a relic and had a hundred men defend it and die, and then a space church with 10 men in it was sent to find out what happened there and have it turn out to be a blank book?


Uh, what?

I liked the movie and I am glad I have it and enjoyed watching it, but it was a let down.

Why:

No blocking elements of the story make any sense:
Spoiler:
Why are there only 10 men in a city sized space ship?
If you have a space ship why walk to target?
If you have a dropship why walk to the target?
If you have a Landspeeder why walk to the target?
Why is the target in a big castle?
How does a rotten bridge of 4x4 wood support 10 men in power armor?
Why do all the weapons kill marines but fail to hurt the demon?


Few plot line elements are developed or explained at all:
Spoiler:
Why is there a big castle in a space age technology setting?
Why keep a super important relic in a medieval castle bower, instead of say, a flying space ship church filled with warriors (like the other relic)?
What does the codex do, why is it important to the Imperial Fists?
If you have a big hammer that can kill demons, shouldn't the captain take it with him when going to, uh, fight demons? Instead of a chainsword.
Why didn't the Villains take the relic after they killed all the imperial fists?
Why did the Villains stay at the shrine at all?
Why do 12 men think they can walk blindly into an obvious slaughter of 10 times their number, especially once they know who their opponents were.
Why do Ultramarines carry a big flag every where they go? What is it?
Why does the big flag glow when near demons?
Why doesn't it glow when near demons in the closing scenes?
Why don't the marines call for extraction once they have the book and survivors, they wait 2 hours and walk all the way back?
Who are the bad guys, why do they look the same as the good guys?
Why did the marines Abandon their Landspeeder after they killed their opponents in the first skirmish?
Why not use a drop pod to go strait to the objective?
It didn't seem like the chaos forces had any ships, or planetary defenses or anti aircraft capacity, why not fly around and wipe them out with the Thunderhawk instead of getting picked apart one at a time on the ground?
For having fought against chaos for so long the Ultramarines seem to have no idea what a Demon is capable of, at all. Even the older experienced ones.
How did the 2 Imperial Fists survive?
Why didn't the Imperial fists move the book if it was valuable?
Why not destroy the book if it was evil?
Wouldn't Ultramarines have archives about Imperial Strong points like this one and find out what the shrine relic was? Or at least know it was there. Why were they surprised about it?
Why does the flamer brother shoot little bursts off all the time, apparently for light? wouldn't he run out of fuel?
How come among the 12 men on patrol (from a SPACE SHIP) only the medic has a flashlight?


Motivations are very lacking
Spoiler:
Why did the chaos forces defile the shrine in the first place?
Why were imperial guard there, who were they, why are they dead every where and never mentioned?
Why did the chaos forces stay at the shrine?
Why did the Imperial Fists defend a blank book and not speak of it?
   
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Just watched it... overall I glad it was made and I enjoyed it, but it could hve been so much better.

Where were the dreadnoughts, land raiders and drop pods, not enough action in the film. These are the things that will draw people in, not just a squad walking for 20minutes.

I thought the animation wasn't as bad as some have said, in places it is impresive, (the marines do walk wierd).

The story could have been better, they fell into a gap between something for everyone and something for fans, in the end its neither. I would like to see more of a variety of armies used too.

Overall if your a fan of 40k is definetly worth a watch.

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For everyone asking why only 10 men - READ THE COMIC BOOK
It was all they could spare from defending a Hive world. No more.

Hence: No more Marines No Guard.
   
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Spoiler:
The bloody apothecary could have been a cool character like "Hicks" from Aliens. Instead he looked like a dessicated monkey in power armour who kept being "negative and disloyal to the command". Why would the apothecary as a Command Squad Veteran not have seniority over some nobody Astartes? The Captain was a bit s.h.i.t, walk forward into an ambush with one other marine and leave the rest of the squad kicking their heals. It was clearly an ambush, he should have flanked it and done a recon, before committing Guilliman would have raped him silly for such a stupid tactical blunder. If i saw my CO, drop out of building drop thousands of feet whilst having a CC with a Daemon I would definitely have questions if he turned up out of the blue like he'd just popped out for a quick number 1. Totally sold on the pointless Banner, was the unit a TAC Squad with a cut down Captains Command squad tagged on?

I am unsure if any true fans were used in the production at all especially to QA it, the bolter barrels look paper thin, the shells are too large, we all know the godwyn is 19.9mm it looks more like 60mm on those bolters. Not enough close combat, i thought the Chaplain was going to go Berserker instead he went turbo-spank librarian shouting "heretic" and immolating chaos marines with his Crozius Arcanium Blue flamer combo bollocks. I wanted a screaming banshee turbo berserker rampage shouting "feel the wrath of the emperor traitor", but alas no. The proportions of Armour were wrong, They looked like noob's out for their first battle? WTF is that about, every astartes has been through a hundred battles to earn his black carapace. Bizarre, poor Dan Abnett he has really pissed up wind on this one. I would give it 7.5/10 out of 10 but the lack of attention to detail has dropped it from a possible 9/10 to a 3/4.




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again: READ THE COMIC.

these are new scouts elevated to replace combat losses. they have NOT gone through devastator or bike stages.

As for who worked on it: WATCH THE EXTRAS. They had studio help.
   
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Look bottomline I shouldn't have to do some pre-reading prior to a film, this isn't school and I'm not doing a Degree in Film and Media. I don't mind reading books, but I am not reading comics its bad enough I have to put with the Wargamer Stigma, without adding Comic book guy from the Simpsons to the list of social taboos (I do respect the Artwork in Comics, but the stories are paper-thin forgive the pun). If i have to have pre-read something in order for this film to make sense (e.g. why they have broken away from GW Canon about how a Space Marine is trained), then quite frankly stuff it.

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Fair enough. Doesnt alter that your questions are answered.

Also there is no "GW canon" - there is no consistency in the detail of the 40k universe. None. Contradictions and alterations to accepted canon occur all the time.
   
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Pre-reading or no pre-reading and limited budget notwithstanding, my main gripe with the film is the god-awful story. I thought it was extremely slow to get started, badly written with numerous gaping plot holes. When it did look like the film was finally getting started, it was over. I think they would have been better served developing a better storyline; which is odd given that Dan Abnett wrote the screenplay. I would have expected better to be perfectly frank.

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Agree with filbert, Im not doubting the 10 man squad reasoning, its just not the story I was hoping for. I wanted more action and to see a lot more of the 40k world and its great weapons. There was not enough action.
Like I said I think its trapped between trying not to be indepth in the whole fluff thing but it falls short for those who love everything 40k.

If it wasn't a 40k film how would you feel about it then, because I'd have to say I wouldn't give it second viewing (but then again, I've already watched it twice).

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