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eyebone wrote:Commissar Yarrick-
For the love of god this character needs +1 to strength. I mean honestly hes holding a ork power claw hes got to be stronger than a rating of three.... Overall I like this character hes just needs a little tweaking to cost, strength, and possible add a power weapon?

You are aware of how Power Claws work aren't you? His Strength is doubled to 6.

I would like to see a assult type squard armed to the teeth with knives and stuff.

Joey wrote:*Let stormtroopers be stormtroopers. They should have some kind of Trench Gun (12" Assault 2 S4 AP- Rending) and bayonets

I love this Idea, I'm working on an Ig trencher Ptl list and shotguns are the main thing I wanted better
(mine were s4 ap6 A2 12" to replace the sarges las pistol) the rending does make them desirable for tougher creatures and makes them more of a threat to non marine units.

The idea is just to weaken the enemy troops down a bit before charging, which is pretty much what shotguns were originally supposed to do.
You'd need to pimp veterans' close combat abilities though. Maybe one of the doctrines could give them furious charge.

I would really like to see Doctrines replace Orders. I don't really mind paying points for Sharp Shooters or Iron Discipline or even Close Order Drill, just something more substantial than only having your Company Command Squad issue the two most valuable orders for your entire army. (Bring it Down, Fire on my Target).

i love the orders system, i dont see why we cant have both? orders give that tactical edge in the moment, doctrines give an overall personality to the army

^ what he said.

Tanith and the Last Chancers.

Giving us back the doctrines would be fun, but only so long as they are each playable.

The biggest change to troops for me would be to give me back the option for my Veteran SGTs to take Bolters, and for my regular Sergeants to be able to take Lasguns. I have way too many of them sitting on the shelf ATM and it bothers me.

Basically, preserving most of this codex would be fine with me. I think Cruddace did a good job with the codex, FWIW.

What i'd like to see in the imperial guard codex? Hmm, perhaps put in front of the nerf firing squad? Most everything in the elites section needs a buff though.

Bring back Kasrkin or at least Hellguns.

Hellguns as in S3 AP5? Why would you prefer that over AP3?

Rename Hotshots Hellguns. Hellguns sounds more aggressive, and deadly, and Hot Shot Lasguns sounds like something you would pull out of a compartment on a bike. Hellguns sounds cooler.

-Demo Charges outside of SWS's, regular Inf Squads should be able to take them.
-Different weapon options for Ogryn, if you could diversify them they would be competative even at current point cost.
-Commissar upgrade for Ogryn, with the ability to take a fist.
-Sentinels moved to Elites
-Point reduction to Punisher
-Sponsons on Leman Russ Chassis allow you to fire main gun and both sponson weapons on the move, for an increase in points/sponson
-Ratlings, need something, mainly its just because sniper rifles in this edition are not that great.
-Extra Armor on Chimera's reduced to 10 points
-Heavy Flamer's in INF and Veteran Squads reduced in points
-Vox Casters to Heavy Weapon/Special Weapon teams
-PCS' being able to be blob with either HWT's or Infantry Squads

What I get from this...gw needs to hurry up and come out w/ codexes more often.

But remember they need to space out their releases so that they aren't bombarding customers with new stuff they can't afford all at once. And they have Fantasy and WotR as well. Not to mention development of otherr games like Blood Bowl and more recently, Dreadfleet.

Deadshot wrote:But remember they need to space out their releases so that they aren't bombarding customers with new stuff they can't afford all at once. And they have Fantasy and WotR as well. Not to mention development of otherr games like Blood Bowl and more recently, Dreadfleet.

But who actaually plays WotR? Like, actually plays it as acompetitive game and not just building dioramas with it?

Lots of people, and as long as it sells, then they will continue.

Id like to see a change in the elite section. New rules or something,a dn a lower pt cost on ogryns.

I agree that vets should be a little more, well veteran.
I like the idea of Psycers as addonds like RA or commsars, or priests.

If they keep "penal legion" they should allow add ons and upgrades to better their possible cc skill, or shooting skill.

DakkaDakka wrote:

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:Id like to see a change in the elite section. New rules or something,a dn a lower pt cost on ogryns.

I agree that vets should be a little more, well veteran.
I like the idea of Psycers as addonds like RA or commsars, or priests.

If they keep "penal legion" they should allow add ons and upgrades to better their possible cc skill, or shooting skill.

Very much this. And give the player the ability to choose the penal legionnaire's ability.

Also bring back Schaeffer, and have him allow you to take penal squads as infantry squads in platoons. I want him to be a senior officer, but as a junior officer he could only affect his platoon and make all of his squads penal troops. Bring back Cage too, and give him a model.

Changes that i would love to see:
Sgts get to carry lasguns again! also boltguns.
Valks,vendettas, and chimeras get points bumps! loss of transport for the vendetta or just make it an upgrade for the valk. and fix the chimera firepoints to at most 2-3 special weapons being fired from top.
Give voxs and banners a use again!
Sentinals need to have duel FOC slots, or at least the ability to take one squad extra free of the FOC slot.
RR's need scout! carapace and the ability to carry CCW and Laspistol/lasgun/shotgun would also be nice.
SWS NEEDS KRAK UPGRADE. way to drop the ball GW. also could use some shotguns and LP while your at it.
Hero characters: most need a points drop. especially the minor heros.
Leman russes: most of the varients need major to minor points drops, basic leman russ might need a minor points increase.
Ogryns: need a points drop, a slight stat change, and the ability to equip the squad. maybe a commisar upgrade.
Stormtroopers: give these guys dual profile weapons, a minor points drop, and a little bit of a clean up and they'll do fine.
Heavy flamers: minor points drop for all heavy flamers.
Doctrines: would like to see a return of somesort of army special rules and drawbacks.
Biker guardsmen: for those who dont like calvery.
armoured sentinals with another minor gun upgrade.
col. schaeffer should make a comeback.

king-newmic wrote:
Biker guardsmen: for those who dont like calvery.

I've seen an number of people make these, and just have them count as RR, but actual models and rules support would be better.

Deadshot wrote:Lots of people, and as long as it sells, then they will continue.

I'm fairly sure that even tought people do play it, they mostly use it for scenic battles and as just a rainy day game that you might play like you play risk. I mean, when is the last time you say a poster or something for the WotR tourny next week? GW doesn't even update it, because the people that play don't really expect new releases.

Honestly?

Expanded fluff section, lets get some pics of something other than cadians and catachans.

Heavy Mortars and Quad Launcher Thudd Guns in the list.

Stormtroopers become the following

WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8(9sergeant) Sv4+
Hellgun (S3 Ap5 Assault 3 18")
Laspistol
CCW
Infiltrate
Deep Strike
Scout

70pts for 5, 12pts for each additional Stormtrooper (130 for 10). Include some way to make them Troops via a character or HQ upgrade

Heavy Weapons Squads get Eternal Warrior (entirely too easy to destroy these units as is and it doesn't make sense that ID would apply given that it's 2 dudes not 1 tough dude) and drop costs by 15pts.

Make Valkyries dedicated transports, at least for Vets and Stormtroopers

Make Veterans a Platoon upgrade (e.g. Upgrade Infantry Squad to Veterans for +20pts)

Make Vanquisher BS4 with coax-stubber rule and Ap1

Drop 30pts off the Punisher

Move Vendetta to Heavy Support and remove Squadron option, it really doesn't belong in FA and it would solve a lot of complaints.

Drop Hellhound/Bane Wolf/Devil Dog cost by 20pts. Come with Smoke base.

Drop sentinel/armored sentinel costs by 10pts and most weapons options by 5pts each.

Dump Deathstrike, make apocalypse only.

Make vox's allow orders at any range, not rerolls within 6/12".

Include grenades with Special Weapon squads

redo chimera fire points, 2 of any weapon +3 lasguns, not 5 of anything.

I would like to keep the dice roll to see what Penal legion abilities are, as it adds a little more excitement to the game imho. However Penal in a platoon would seem strange to me, being that penal are prisoners...maybe a platoon of Penal, with scout ability, keep them on a grade level with conscrips...crappy meat shields to distract the enemy.

Vaktathi wrote:Honestly?

Expanded fluff section, lets get some pics of something other than cadians and catachans.

Heavy Mortars and Quad Launcher Thudd Guns in the list.

Stormtroopers become the following

WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8(9sergeant) Sv4+
Hellgun (S3 Ap5 Assault 3 18")
Laspistol
CCW
Infiltrate
Deep Strike
Scout

70pts for 5, 12pts for each additional Stormtrooper (130 for 10). Include some way to make them Troops via a character or HQ upgrade

Heavy Weapons Squads get Eternal Warrior (entirely too easy to destroy these units as is and it doesn't make sense that ID would apply given that it's 2 dudes not 1 tough dude) and drop costs by 15pts.

Make Valkyries dedicated transports, at least for Vets and Stormtroopers

Make Veterans a Platoon upgrade (e.g. Upgrade Infantry Squad to Veterans for +20pts)

Make Vanquisher BS4 with coax-stubber rule and Ap1

Drop 30pts off the Punisher

Move Vendetta to Heavy Support and remove Squadron option, it really doesn't belong in FA and it would solve a lot of complaints.

Drop Hellhound/Bane Wolf/Devil Dog cost by 20pts. Come with Smoke base.

Drop sentinel/armored sentinel costs by 10pts and most weapons options by 5pts each.

Dump Deathstrike, make apocalypse only.

Make vox's allow orders at any range, not rerolls within 6/12".

Include grenades with Special Weapon squads

redo chimera fire points, 2 of any weapon +3 lasguns, not 5 of anything.

I find myself agreeing with you more and more.

+1

Has anyone noticed how manticores have a suckish AP for what they are? They're S10 for goodness sake! AP4 is not enough imo.

Also i would increase the amount of conscripts squads allowed in an infantry platoon

Medics, psykers, commissars, and priests allowed to be taken as additions to CCS, PCS, Infrantry squads, Conscript Squads, Veterans, HWS, and SWS.

And some Storm Trooper Special Characters would be cool.

What about unlimited Conscripts in a Platoon?