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Manchu wrote:

pretre wrote:Man, I hadn't realized a week had passed already.

And now pretre ... check. All that's left is Melissia.

Dude, I think she got wise and stays away. 3 strikes you're out or something.

Manchu wrote:She's not the only fallen Sister. She's the only one who turned voluntarily.

But, the only way to fall is voluntarily? How else would it happen? Someone just walks into the barracks one day and says "Hey, you're a Khorne worshiper now" and they go "Oh, ok"

I mean, you could be coerced into serving Chaos, if for example your commanding officer defected. Or maybe through some kind of mind control.

But the only way to become a bona fide servant of Chaos is to do so willingly. I mean, that's the whole insidious nature of Chaos, offering gifts to mortals in return for service. It's what makes fighting Chaos so difficult, because you never know going into battle if your friends beside you will turn on you because of some whispered offer in their head. And you never know, coming back from the battle, how many of your friends will later succumb to those offers of power and rewards.

and just to follow on, and head off the Bloodtide nonsense at the pass:

Grey Knights are not, and have never been immune to the powers of Chaos. They can still get blasted a bolt of change, infected by Nurgles rot or yes, even turned into savages by the Bloodtide. A warrior affected by the Bloodtide has been 'corrupted' by Chaos in the same way that a warrior who has been incinerated by Tzeench has been 'corrupted'.

They are, however, immune to the [i[temptations[/i] of Chaos, whereas Sisters are not.

Kanluwen wrote:

Manchu wrote:

pretre wrote:Man, I hadn't realized a week had passed already.

And now pretre ... check. All that's left is Melissia.

I'll fill in for Mel here.

Sisters do not turn to Chaos.
The idea that they turn is so silly that it warrants no real discussion and it makes my brain hurt.

The only reason we have Miriael is that she is a holdover of old fluff; which for some reason continues to be kept around like that weird neighbor you have who stuffed his poodle.

Aww crap, how'd I forget Kan.

Will you forgive me, Kan?

Kanluwen wrote:Sisters do not turn to Chaos.
The idea that they turn is so silly that it warrants no real discussion and it makes my brain hurt.

If I knew what her voice sounded like, I'd have read that in her voice.

Kaldor wrote:But the only way to become a bona fide servant of Chaos is to do so willingly.

Yep, that's exactly my argument. See last page.

Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Sisters do not turn to Chaos.
The idea that they turn is so silly that it warrants no real discussion and it makes my brain hurt.

If I knew what he voice sounded like, I'd have read that in her voice.

Just use the [melissia] tag

For example [melissia]pithy statement without quoting the thing you are responding to[/melissia]

Okay, I'll stop there.

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Manchu wrote:

pretre wrote:Man, I hadn't realized a week had passed already.

And now pretre ... check. All that's left is Melissia.

I'll fill in for Mel here.

Sisters do not turn to Chaos.
The idea that they turn is so silly that it warrants no real discussion and it makes my brain hurt.

The only reason we have Miriael is that she is a holdover of old fluff; which for some reason continues to be kept around like that weird neighbor you have who stuffed his poodle.

Aww crap, how'd I forget Kan.

Will you forgive me, Kan?

*waves hand majestically*
I'll allow your transgression, Pretre.

For now...

Eh, I dunno, I think I like the concept of the character. Not that I think that "Chaos Sisters" is necessarily a great idea, but the fact that she represents the *one* time that Chaos has succeeded in coercing a Sister to Fall, albeit it's not like they waved a Daemonsword and a spiked bustier at her and she was like "Ooh! Shiny! Gimme!", but I think it upholds the fact that the Sisters are, essentially, human (and not super-engineered to be immune to Chaos like the GK) who have only ever died in fighting Chaos or been corrupted, unwillingly, by the various Chaos Powers. This one character represents both the strength of the Sisterhood (she did, after all, survive the tortures of the Emperor's Children) and the potency of Chaos (they did, after all, get her to turn). Too many characters like these, though, and it loses its impact. I think, also, that it maintains the possibility, however remote, of a redemptive arc for the character.

Kanluwen wrote:*waves hand majestically*
I'll allow your transgression, Pretre.

For now...

I should really make a cut and paste response to these threads that wraps up that whole thing so I can just drop it in whenever one pops up. It will save us all a lot of effort.

Psienesis wrote:but I think it upholds the fact that the Sisters are, essentially, human

Yep. One sister alone falling to Chaos is a tribute to them. Can you imagine what it would mean if the Guard could say that? Even the Ultramarines can't make such a claim.

Kaldor wrote:

Manchu wrote:She's not the only fallen Sister. She's the only one who turned voluntarily.

But, the only way to fall is voluntarily? How else would it happen?

Tortured?
Tricked?

I mean, I figure the way most people turn to Chaos is by being tricked. Certainly that was what happened to the most famous of traitors, Horus. The idea of someone voluntarily being turned is by finding out about Chaos on their own, and deciding that sounded good, and made the conscious choice. Others might make conscious choices, but that could be via some kind of subterfuge.

What do we know about some of the Primarchs?

Lorgar sought out Chaos and turned voluntarily.
Horus was tricked by Lorgar and Chaos.
Fulgrim was possessed by the daemon in his sword, and ultimately saw his folly, shortly before the daemon trapped his soul permanently (maybe, maybe not? Primarchs short story inconclusive).

Of those three, only Lorgar turned "voluntarily".

Speaking of Ultras. I really like that story with the SOB and the Ultramarine that falls to Chaos that she ends up chasing across half the universe. I enjoyed it.

Daemonblood by Ben Counter. It's awesome indeed!

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I mean, I figure the way most people turn to Chaos is by being tricked. Certainly that was what happened to the most famous of traitors, Horus.

In my universe Horus was an intelligent, power hungry egoistic genius, not some stupid school-kid who got tricked. It annoys me so much that they ruined the opportunity to flesh out his character.

Well, there's also the old whisper-to-possesion deal. Fulgrim's fall was much better handled than Horus's and Fulgrim was only willing up to a point. Too bad for him that he didn't have the power to resist possession at that point.

1.) Chaos Sisters is in the top 5 of lamest army ideas in 40k.
2.) It is an idea 50% of all naughty teens have, but few are bold enough to express in public
3.) Grey Knights are said to be immune to Chaos. What do they take to make sure? Sororitas Blood. Go figure.
4.) Possible that one Sister may fall to Chaos, maybe even two if you are lucky. Do you intend to make a 40k army with 2 models? Or fill it up with Chaos Tau, Chaos Grey Knights and female Space Marines?

That would work too. Save that one KH.

Manchu wrote:Well, there's also the old whisper-to-possesion deal. Fulgrim's fall was much better handled than Horus's and Fulgrim was only willing up to a point. Too bad for him that he didn't have the power to resist possession at that point.

I never really liked Fulgrim's fall either. It should have been more of a Dorian Grey story, with Fulgrim becoming more and more foul in return for rewards from Slaanesh, with him first hearing the voice of Slaanesh in that temple.

Kroothawk wrote:Chaos Sisters is in the top 5 of lamest army ideas in 40k.

- Chaos Sisters
- Chaos Tau
- Femarines
- Squats

What's the one I'm missing?

Chaos Grey Knights.

Khorne Sorcerers?


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Kanluwen wrote:Chaos Grey Knights.

Ah, I was so close!

Squats really don't fall into the group with the other 4. I have seen good squat armies as counts-as. I've never seen good armies of the other 4.

Manchu wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Chaos Sisters is in the top 5 of lamest army ideas in 40k.

- Chaos Sisters
- Chaos Tau
- Femarines
- Squats

What's the one I'm missing?

Whoa whoa whoa.

Squats are not lame.

And, they're officially back in the canon as of the 6th Edition rulebook! So, unlike Ladymarines, they actually exist.

Ohh cool new Human variants - nice Maybe new models ahead

My book arrives tomorrow - can't wait.

IF the OP wants a Chaos Sisters Army - an easy fluffy way is so to say that those who wear the armour are not adn never have been Sororitas. The debased armur is now worn by servants of the Powers of Chaos who enjoy taunting the true worshipers of Him.

Sure... my biggest complaint about a "Chaos Sisters" army is ones where it's not so much the look but attempting to adopt the SOB Codex into "....but for Chaos" rules, such as "Acts of Faith... but for Chaos". That's where I'm like "er, no.". If you want to use SoB models all spiked up for Chaos foot-troops? Sure. Use the Traitor Guard or vanilla CSM rules for people in power armor, that's fine. Don't try to shoe-horn in using actual Sister rules for an army that may have once been Sisters but aren't any more.

The best use of a Chaos Sister so far was as a single model in an Emperor's Children CSM HQ. I just can't find those awesome photos anymore - it was some French guy who converted her, and the mini looked quite good. Oh well.

Here's another nice sculpt:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:And, they're officially back in the canon as of the 6th Edition rulebook! So, unlike Ladymarines, they actually exist.

Hah, nice find!

Psienesis wrote:Sure... my biggest complaint about a "Chaos Sisters" army is ones where it's not so much the look but attempting to adopt the SOB Codex into "....but for Chaos" rules, such as "Acts of Faith... but for Chaos". That's where I'm like "er, no.". If you want to use SoB models all spiked up for Chaos foot-troops? Sure. Use the Traitor Guard or vanilla CSM rules for people in power armor, that's fine. Don't try to shoe-horn in using actual Sister rules for an army that may have once been Sisters but aren't any more.

Why not? "Chaos" is a far better explanation for their magical powers than the Emperor giving them divine intervention, lol.


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Lynata wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:And, they're officially back in the canon as of the 6th Edition rulebook! So, unlike Ladymarines, they actually exist.

Hah, nice find!

Not mine. Somebody on another forum pointed it out and I asked for a picture. I am just the bearer of good news to Dakka.

Felinids?

Reeeealllly now. And the squats being on this list indicates to you that they are not lame?


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Lynata wrote:Here's another nice sculpt:

I know this is true to her "official" art but the "official" art was pretty lame (I actually usually love that particular artist, as with his PF stuff) and a kind-of-spikey sister is ... meh. Not really adequate for her unique status.

Lynata wrote:

Manchu wrote:Chaos Inquisition = GK

The Dark Millennium TCG actually does include a Radical Inquisitor and his forces allied with Chaos!

Spoiler:

It's not unthinkable, I guess.

Manchu wrote:Chaos Chaos Space Marines = BT

Not Space Wolves?

I lol'd for some reason at that card XD

It's because he is totally radical, of course.

Kanluwen wrote:It's because he is totally radical, of course.

Righteous!

(On a side note, I hit Canoness! Sweet.)