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**THE_GODLYNESS**

Psienesis wrote:Sure... my biggest complaint about a "Chaos Sisters" army is ones where it's not so much the look but attempting to adopt the SOB Codex into "....but for Chaos" rules, such as "Acts of Faith... but for Chaos". That's where I'm like "er, no.". If you want to use SoB models all spiked up for Chaos foot-troops? Sure. Use the Traitor Guard or vanilla CSM rules for people in power armor, that's fine. Don't try to shoe-horn in using actual Sister rules for an army that may have once been Sisters but aren't any more.

Well you would have to consider what an "Act Of Faith" is. Faith by it self is belief in something. So Chaos sisters with their WD codex is perfectly viable. You could literally replace every mention of the word emprah with chaos and you would have chaos sisters.

this also explains why St. Celestine keeps coming back.....sorta like Dare i say it Lucious

Now that i gak all over your Fluff, just Remember i am wearing fire proof clothing

**pretre**

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:You could literally replace every mention of the word emprah with chaos and you would have chaos sisters.

You could also go to town on your genitals with a cheese grater. Doesn't make it a good idea.

Now that i gak all over your Fluff, just Remember i am wearing fire proof clothing

So you're saying you're just trolling?

**Coolyo294**

Gharron wrote:
Lynata wrote:
Manchu wrote:Chaos Inquisition = GK
The Dark Millennium TCG actually does include a Radical Inquisitor and his forces allied with Chaos!

Spoiler:

It's not unthinkable, I guess.

Manchu wrote:Chaos Chaos Space Marines = BT
Not Space Wolves?

I lol'd for some reason at that card XD

It looks like he's about to kick someone.

**Psienesis**

Well you would have to consider what an "Act Of Faith" is. Faith by it self is belief in something. So Chaos sisters with their WD codex is perfectly viable. You could literally replace every mention of the word emprah with chaos and you would have chaos sisters.

It's the fundamental, unshakeable belief in the divinity of the God-Emperor of Mankind, which evidences itself in events upon the battlefield that are described by onlookers as "miraculous".

When the forces of Chaos attempt the debased acts of fealty and worship of the Ruinous Powers, it is called "sorcery".

**Manchu**

"They're just labels" argument in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

**Lynata**

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:this also explains why St. Celestine keeps coming back.....

My personal pet-theory is that Living Saints are created just like Slaanesh was - excessive emotional outbursts leading to a "warp spirit" being born. Just instead of ecstasy they're born of, well, faith, and they possess one of the faithful instead of manifesting by themselves.
Just one idea of many, mind you.

As for "Chaos" versions of AoF, I'd simply explain them as psychic powers picked up after corruption. That said, I too believe that it would be best to simply use CSM rules for them. I just doubt they'd be able to achieve the same state of mind they had in the convents. Plus, using CSM rules would allow better integration into a CSM army -and- with the new 6E rules you could even throw in a couple allied demons for good measure.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Why not? "Chaos" is a far better explanation for their magical powers than the Emperor giving them divine intervention, lol.

I still think the best explanation is the one that's actually in the Codex. You know, the one you keep ignoring.

pretre wrote:On a side note, I hit Canoness! Sweet.

Congrats, Mylady!

**pretre**

Lol @Manchu
Umm, I'm a dude Canoness, Lynata.

but thanks!

**Lynata**

pretre wrote:Umm, I'm a dude Canoness, Lynata. but thanks!

I know - or rather, I assumed so - but Canoness is your title now ... so deal with it!

**Kroothawk**

Manchu wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:Chaos Sisters is in the top 5 of lamest army ideas in 40k.
- Chaos Sisters
- Chaos Tau
- Femarines
- Squats

What's the one I'm missing?

Kanluwen wrote:Chaos Grey Knights.

Skip squats, add "army X ... in PINK".

pretre wrote:(On a side note, I hit Canoness! Sweet.)

Never hit a canoness

**pretre**

Yeah, those fethers will rip your arm off and bear you with it.

**Kroothawk**

Like this:

**pretre**

Exactly

**Tadashi**

pretre wrote:Exactly

Spares me the trouble of reprimanding misogynists.

**DOOMBREAD**

It's not unheard of, but very, very rare.

**Kroothawk**

DOOMBREAD wrote:It's not unheard of, but very, very rare.

It is not unheard of that a single US soldier turns Islamic fundamentalist and becomes a terrorist. But that doesn't mean that it makes sense to model a USMC army with Al-Kaida insignia.

**Steel Angel**

I find it hard to beleave that a total mortal (sisters) and a vet space marine(to me that's all a grey knight is ) are more resilient to chaos then the sons of the emperor. beside the min. the GK killed the sisters to save themselves that is an act of chaos. No matter the reason they did it for.

**SagesStone**

I think they just used the same logic behind rubbing cheetah blood on an engine.

**Tadashi**

Steel Angel wrote:...the GK killed the sisters to save themselves that is an act of chaos. No matter the reason they did it for.

There's a reason the current version of Grey Knights are called Khornate Knights and why the older version are still referred to as Daemonhunters.

**SagesStone**

Yep, it's because they're so classy.

Chaos comes to the Basilica of St. Mariel on the world of Van Horne. A statue of the Emperor is accidentally damaged during renovation work of the inner sanctum, disrupting the forgotten stasis-reliquary within. As the ancient prison crumbles to dust, the Bloodthirster Ka'jagga'nath, Lord of the Bloodtide, breaks free. At his bellowed command, a tide of gore washes through the vaults, corrupting everything and everyone it touches. The basilica's guardians and priests, so recently counted amongst the Emperor's most virtuous servents, roam the nearby streets seizing hapless citizens to use as blood sacrifices upon the tainted altar. For eight days and nights the ordies of gore continue, each fresh death luring yet more Daemons through to the mortal world. Hour by hour, the Bloodtide spreads further and further across Van Horne - it is estimated that the entire planet will be enveloped in a matter of days. On the morning of the nith day, Sisters of Battle from the Order of the Ebon Chalice assault the basilica. Some Battle Sisters are corrupted on contact with the Bloodtide. Those who endure fight valiantly, but most are slaughtered by the Bloodletters atop the basilica walls. It is only when the Grey Knights' 4th Brotherhood arrives on Van Horne that the Bloodtide is abated.

Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption, and they smash their way into the basilica's heart. A trio of Librarians lead the attack, enunciating the cants of cleansing that repel the Bloodtide wherever they tread. In the end, Ka'jagga'nath is only defeated through the selfless sacrifice of Ordan, Champion of the 4th Brotherhood. Before Ka'jagga;nath's spirit can escape his ruined body, the Grey Knights are able to cast the Daemon's dark presence back into the Warip, and the psychic backwash banishes the Bloodtide and the Daemons it drew forth.

**Tadashi**

n0t_u wrote:Yep, it's because they're so classy.

Chaos comes to the Basilica of St. Mariel on the world of Van Horne. A statue of the Emperor is accidentally damaged during renovation work of the inner sanctum, disrupting the forgotten stasis-reliquary within. As the ancient prison crumbles to dust, the Bloodthirster Ka'jagga'nath, Lord of the Bloodtide, breaks free. At his bellowed command, a tide of gore washes through the vaults, corrupting everything and everyone it touches. The basilica's guardians and priests, so recently counted amongst the Emperor's most virtuous servents, roam the nearby streets seizing hapless citizens to use as blood sacrifices upon the tainted altar. For eight days and nights the ordies of gore continue, each fresh death luring yet more Daemons through to the mortal world. Hour by hour, the Bloodtide spreads further and further across Van Horne - it is estimated that the entire planet will be enveloped in a matter of days. On the morning of the nith day, Sisters of Battle from the Order of the Ebon Chalice assault the basilica. Some Battle Sisters are corrupted on contact with the Bloodtide. Those who endure fight valiantly, but most are slaughtered by the Bloodletters atop the basilica walls. It is only when the Grey Knights' 4th Brotherhood arrives on Van Horne that the Bloodtide is abated.

Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption, and they smash their way into the basilica's heart. A trio of Librarians lead the attack, enunciating the cants of cleansing that repel the Bloodtide wherever they tread. In the end, Ka'jagga'nath is only defeated through the selfless sacrifice of Ordan, Champion of the 4th Brotherhood. Before Ka'jagga;nath's spirit can escape his ruined body, the Grey Knights are able to cast the Daemon's dark presence back into the Warip, and the psychic backwash banishes the Bloodtide and the Daemons it drew forth.

Typical Wardian-heresy...

Note that all Grey Knights are psykers, so what's the point of even having Librarians at all, when their purpose is to provide psychic support for regular Astartes? Khornate Knights sound like a mix of next-generation Thousand Sons and Dark Angels. And the former never even went so far as to make use of blood magic or daemon weapons prior to the Burning of Prospero. Its even doubtful they were aware many of Tizca's inhabitants were Tzeentchian Cultists.

**Manchu**

Tadashi wrote:There's a reason the current version of Grey Knights are called Khornate Knights and why the older version are still referred to as Daemonhunters.

Yes, there is a reason: the internet is an echo chamber of ignorance. Killing your allies to achieve greater goals is pretty standard Imperial fare. In the old book, GK had no tolerance for radical inquisitors. That doesn't mean that, seeing themselves as above temptation, they would not employ radical methods. In fact, the old dex fluff (all less-than-two-pages of it) even mentions them learning from their daemonic foes. None of this makes them Chaos-aligned. And even if it did, calling them "Khornate Knights" would be the stupidest possible way of describing a Space Marine chapter full of psykers.

**Tadashi**

Manchu wrote:And even if it did, calling them "Khornate Knights" would be the stupidest possible way of describing a Space Marine chapter full of psykers.

Last I looked, sanctioned psychic abilities are legal, but sorcery, which includes blood magic and the use of daemon weapons, is ABSOLUTELY forbidden. Daemonhunters would just have bombed the planet from orbit or performed exterminatus - the Sisters would still have died, but in a more honorable fashion as opposed to being used as 'fuel' for sorcery. And Khorne does tolerate psykers so long as they aid the bloodshed in his name. Typical Wardian-heresy.

**SagesStone**

They are however exceptionally rare as he looks down on them.

**Tadashi**

n0t_u wrote:They are however exceptionally rare as he looks down on them.

That they are...usually if the bloodshed is getting REALLY bloody even by 40k standards, and Khorne wants more, or, more likely to happen, a Champion of Chaos Undivided invokes his power.

**Steel Angel**

So you wouldn't call doing blood magic with innocent blood that they spilled not chaos aligned?

"guardians and priests , roam the nearby streets seizing hapless citizens to use as blood sacrifices upon the tainted altar."

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"the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons."

Can anyone tell me the diff?

**Manchu**

Tadashi wrote:Last I looked ... sorcery, which includes blood magic and the use of daemon weapons, is ABSOLUTELY forbidden.

Would you mind citing the source where radical methods are ABSOLUTELY forbidden to the Grey Knights?

And Khorne does tolerate psykers so long as they aid the bloodshed in his name.

What does it matter what Khorne tolerates among the servants of others? He despises psykers and will not have them as his own. So it remains idiotic to call GK "Khornate Knights" because they performed some kind of magic ritual. I guess "Tzeentchian Knights" doesn't have the same ring? Or, this whole Mat Ward hate thing is just poorly thought out ...

**Tadashi**

Steel Angel wrote:So you wouldn't call doing blood magic with innocent blood that they spilled not chaos aligned?

"guardians and priests , roam the nearby streets seizing hapless citizens to use as blood sacrifices upon the tainted altar."

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"the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons."

Can anyone tell me the diff?

None. Daemonhunters would simply have incinerated the whole planet from orbit as opposed to doing Khorne's work for him.

**Manchu**

Steel Angel wrote:Can anyone tell me the diff?

It's right there in the text: the corrupted are killing people as offerings to Chaos; the GK are killing people to make an amulet to fight Chaos. Worship versus fight.

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Tadashi wrote:Daemonhunters would simply have incinerated the whole planet from orbit as opposed to doing Khorne's work for him.

Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.

Incinerate from orbit, hanf-to-hand combat, whatever, it's all skulls for the skull throne.

**Tadashi**

Manchu wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Last I looked ... sorcery, which includes blood magic and the use of daemon weapons, is ABSOLUTELY forbidden.
Would you mind citing the source where radical methods are ABSOLUTELY forbidden to the Grey Knights?

Oh good, that means I can give Chaos Psychic Powers and Chaos Icons/Marks on Khornate Knight armies since they're allowed to use any method to defeat Chaos. I can even give them Gauss Weapons and Holo-Fields for vehicles.

Manchu wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Daemonhunters would simply have incinerated the whole planet from orbit as opposed to doing Khorne's work for him.
Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.

Incinerate from orbit, hanf-to-hand combat, whatever, it's all skulls for the skull throne.

Thousand Sons got burned even though they didn't use blood magic or daemon weapons...Russ and the Wolves of Fenris should be loosed on Titan.

**Manchu**

Tadashi wrote:
Manchu wrote:Would you mind citing the source where radical methods are ABSOLUTELY forbidden to the Grey Knights?
Oh good, that means I can give Chaos Psychic Powers and Chaos Icons/Marks on Khornate Knight armies since they're allowed to use any method to defeat Chaos. I can even give them Gauss Weapons and Holo-Fields for vehicles.

In other words, you don't have a source ...

Tadashi wrote:Thousand Sons got burned even though they didn't use blood magic or daemon weapons...Russ and the Wolves of Fenris should be loosed on Titan.

A lot has changed since the fall of Prospero. Like how there are Librarians again ...