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There's more Imperial bodies than just the Navy and the Space Marines running their fleets, anyways. The Arbites having their own spaceships is something that is oft-overlooked as well - probably because those get mentioned about as often as the Sororitas fleets (and in the same book even). And then there are the Black Ships of the Astra Telepathica as overseen by the Inquisition. And then the Explorator Fleets of the Mechanicus.

There may be more, if one just keeps on looking.

 SisterSydney wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
They most likely have ships of some kinds, but they wouldn't have their own unique ship designs like Space Marines. They'd just be the same ships the Navy uses with the Fleur-de-lis slapped all over it, and with lots of gold trim.

Agreed. But they'd probably be modified to use the Sisters' favorite weapons -- heavy flamers & multi-meltas instead of multi-lasers and lascannon, since lasers are not a Sisters thing, not in fluff (maybe they don't have the maintenance base for them?) and not in gameplay: letting them have easy access to 48" S:9 AP:2 would really change the nature of the army and even put our beautiful Exorcists a little in the shade.

Flamers... In SPESSS!

Boreal would be proud

Man... can you imagine flying into a cloud of flaming gasoline in space? Do starships even have windshield wipers?

 Harriticus wrote:
They mainly take from the Imperial Navy for combat aircraft, for instance the Avengers Strike Fighter (Navy aircraft) are mentioned to be "frequently called upon by the SoB". The SoB do use transports/landing craft though. Probably from the Ecclesiarchy's own fleet of transport ships.

Forgeworld does say that, but I'd prefer to hear what a codex has to say about the Sisters and flyers. The Forgeworld description for the Avenger seems to have the Sisters just calling them in when they need them, which seems a bit awkward. They are a fully functioning military force, after all, so I would've expected them to have more immediate access to flyers than that.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Boreal would be proud

I think that Boreale will only be impressed when the Sisters master the art of Steel Rain, personally.

 Psienesis wrote:
Man... can you imagine flying into a cloud of flaming gasoline in space? Do starships even have windshield wipers?

It would just be Gasoline. No oxygen to let it burn.

but it would be sticky as heck

Prom-juice is apparently self-oxygenating, as it burns underwater.

But even if it didn't burn in space (you'd think they'd test this before putting twin heavy flamers on the wings of a spaceship, but I digress...)... again, do space ships have windshield wipers?

Of course they have windshield wipers. Gotta watch out for space bugs afterall.

 Kommissar Waaaghrick wrote:
When I read all your views, I immediately thought of a real life example. I was having dinner with a big group with the CEO of a big engineering firm. One of their divisions was military vehicles: attack helicopters, tanks, etc.

Someone asked something along the lines of, "Oh, I heard you're making TANKS for the United Nations."

Immediately, the CEO said something very much like, "No, we don't. We make Armoured Personnel Carriers for the U.N."

The guy then said something like, "Well...aren't tanks and APCs the same thing?"

The CEO replied, and I only remember some phrases, "No, they're not...the U.N. uses APCs for Police Actions. Tanks are designed for war." It was something like that.

I remember it because it came out so fast, so perfectly, like it was scripted. Apparently, the distinction between APCs and Tanks, Police Actions and war was important. Probably politics involved.

[rant] Actually, it's a big, big deal. Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) are like Rhinos: lightly armed and armored troop transports; real life US examples include the M113 (tracked) and the Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle (wheeled).

"Tanks" in modern military English refers to tracked, well-armored vehicles with a big gun in a turret -- typically a "main battle tank" like the M1 Abrams or Leopard II, but sometimes you hear talk of "light tanks," though those are largely extinct.

If it's got a powerful main weapon for killing tanks but no turret and/or light armour , it's a tank destroyer. The Germans were famous for heavily armored, turretless tank destroyers in WWII (Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger), while the Americans did lightly armored tank destroyers that DID have turrets (e.g. M10, M36). The key point is these vehicles lack either the armor protection, tactical flexibility of a turret, or both that you need to compete with actual tanks, so they have to fight from defensive positions or with a lot of support.

If it's got a powerful weapon for long-range artillery fire, but light armor, it's a or self-propelled artillery gun (SPG); nowadays these mostly have turrets (M109 Paladin) but historically many had a fixed weapon or even a gun mounted on top with the crew exposed (M110).

Finally, in between APCs and MBTS are IFVs, infantry fighting vehicles, which can carry infantry but also have considerable firepower of their own, albeit less than tanks (M2 Bradley).

Sadly, there's no one-word term in English for all these things, though WH40K calls them all "tanks." The best you get is "armored fighting vehicle" (AFV).[/rant]

 Psienesis wrote:
The Ecclesiarchy is actually *the* most influential organization in the Imperium. The vast majority of Imperial citizens will never interact with a Tech-Priest.... almost everyone goes to church.

my question is who keeps all the sisters battle tech in working order?
Space marines have techmarines
IG have techpriests
Titan Legions have techpriests
Orks have mekz

The Ecclesiachy doesnt get along too well with Mars(I mean sure it is all one big happy family, but the way the Techpriests worship big E is kind of indirect and definitly not through the Ecclesiachy)

The Sisters themselves, servitors, technomats, novitiates and initiates.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Sisters themselves, servitors, technomats, novitiates and initiates.

Any sources on that, or are you just assuming?

The Rhinos article in WD #269 mentioned this bit:

"The Adepta Sororitas and Adeptus Arbites have a number of Rhinos and they maintain a body of those sanctified and pure of heart to care for them. Years of training go towards achieving this respected position. Aspirants must learn how to divine the runes of engineering, memorise the liturgy of maintenance and constantly study the routine of service. It is a position of great honour to care for these vehicles and those that are carried into battle within one of these armoured transports are mindful of the spirits that inhabit the mechanical functions and blessed bolts that make up each one."

So, basically, TechSisters. Or "Mistress of the Armoury", as I've come to think of them. I kinda dig the idea and should probably draw a sketch of how I envision them sometime. I'm thinking a sort of crossover between the armour of the Sisters Militant and the red robes of the Mechanicus - perhaps a sort of Hospitaller-like design with a wide crimson cloak worn over a light metal carapace? Needless to say, the coat would have a ton of pockets for various tools... Also, goggles, because steampunk.

SisterSydney wrote:[rant] Actually, it's a big, big deal. [...]

I think he was referring more to how "scripted" a response that was. APCs may not be tanks, but they are used as military vehicles in warzones alongside them all the same. His post was more about how the company seeked to distance itself from "war" by instead pointing out they'd of course only be used in "peacekeeping" etc - never mind that the line between those two terms can be a bit blurry at times.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Sisters themselves, servitors, technomats, novitiates and initiates.

In last SW book repair of damaged SM dropship was done by SoB/shrineworld servitors (under SM pilot's supervision), i guess that it's standart SoB practice.

Mostly inference and logical sense.

One, Space Marines don't rely on Tech-Marines to perform basic maintenance of their war-gear. Every Battle Brother is expected to look to his war-gear as part of his daily rituals. This does not even touch on the legions of Inquisitors, wealthy Rogue Traders, and planetary nobles who own personal suits of power armor and keep them functional. The AdMech is not required to perform basic PCMS on a suit of Power Armor (or their bolters, bolt-pistols, or any other bit of kit).

Two, their flamers are, well, it's a flamethrower. It's an incredibly simple device to construct and maintain. The Tech-Priests aren't required for this at all. You don't even need a Tech-Priest to build one, really, though I'm sure the blinged out ones carried by the Sisters are.

Three, it would make sense, given their highly-disciplined, military lifestyles... and the fact that many grew up through the Schola Progenium... they would make basic drill and maintenance of their war-gear a part of daily life. Cleaning the Order's boltguns might even be a punishment for some minor infractions, or simply an aspect of the daily life of a novitiate, until she has learned the ins-and-outs of every weapon in the armory.

The servitor idea comes from the fact that it's easy to get a handful of servitors (former heretics, perhaps) who have been programmed with repair and restoration routines on the specific patterns of war-gear a given Order possesses. I mean, the AdMech builds those Cherubim servitors for the Ecclesiarchy, why would they not build something more practical? And they already have arco-flagellants, so it's a short step to full-on servitors (less dangerous, too, I imagine, should one go rogue...).

 Lynata wrote:
I think he was referring more to how "scripted" a response that was. APCs may not be tanks, but they are used as military vehicles in warzones alongside them all the same. His post was more about how the company seeked to distance itself from "war" by instead pointing out they'd of course only be used in "peacekeeping" etc - never mind that the line between those two terms can be a bit blurry at times.

Well, there's distinction even most ignorant civilian should get - unarmed APC is still APC, unarmed tank is anything but tank.
BTW some of UN APC even lack turrets/weapon mounts - they're no more weapon than any truck is.

chyron wrote:In last SW book repair of damaged SM dropship was done by SoB/shrineworld servitors (under SM pilot's supervision), i guess that it's standart SoB practice.

Oh, that was in the Codex? If so, that's a rather useful hint - they would not know how to conduct such repairs if they would not themselves work with similar or the same vehicles, after all.

chyron wrote:Well, there's distinction even most ignorant civilian should get - unarmed APC is still APC, unarmed tank is anything but tank.

Really? I can only talk for the German military, but even a Bergepanzer (-> for recovery) is still a Panzer to us.

The CEO and his response could actually be the other way around - he doesn't want his heavy war material associated with the UN. Enough American fringe groups think the UN has massive armies ready to invade the US once the NWO is ready to take over. Having your company mentioned would hurt sales of small arms to these people, and get you unwanted attention anyway. Arms business is shady enough as is without conspiracy nuts spreading rumors about your company.

chyron wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
I think he was referring more to how "scripted" a response that was. APCs may not be tanks, but they are used as military vehicles in warzones alongside them all the same. His post was more about how the company seeked to distance itself from "war" by instead pointing out they'd of course only be used in "peacekeeping" etc - never mind that the line between those two terms can be a bit blurry at times.

Well, there's distinction even most ignorant civilian should get - unarmed APC is still APC, unarmed tank is anything but tank.
BTW some of UN APC even lack turrets/weapon mounts - they're no more weapon than any truck is.

Many police forces in the US have such vehicles. When putting down a civil uprising, they're invaluable. They can be used to smash through barricades, scatter groups of protestors, and transport armed tactical teams for deployment. For a civilian, it's just as bad as a tank, in the end.

Spetulhu wrote:
The CEO and his response could actually be the other way around - he doesn't want his heavy war material associated with the UN. Enough American fringe groups think the UN has massive armies ready to invade the US once the NWO is ready to take over. Having your company mentioned would hurt sales of small arms to these people, and get you unwanted attention anyway. Arms business is shady enough as is without conspiracy nuts spreading rumors about your company.

/ This is silliness, the UN is far too incompetent to plan for a future overthrow of major governments.

However department of homeland security has purchased more MATV with UIK than the DOD. I really wonder what that is all about.... Let's be honest if you are not paranoid of the U.S. federal government you are not paying attention.

- J

 necrondog99 wrote:
However department of homeland security has purchased more MATV with UIK than the DOD. I really wonder what that is all about.... Let's be honest if you are not paranoid of the U.S. federal government you are not paying attention.

Really off topic here, but keep in mind that DHS includes all sorts of agencies like DEA, ATF and FBI. All are police organizations who have to deal with crazy stuff.


On topic, tangentially I suppose, I really have to give Soulstorm a try now. Those fighter craft look amazing.

 SisterSydney wrote:

So I want the Sisters to have their own Valkyries (even the name is perfect), as Lynata pointed out they do in Dawn of War:Soulstorm. I want Valkyries in Sororitas colors with Sororitas crews, sporting multi-meltas instead of multi-lasers/lascannons, and shooting at BS:4.

Unless people can give me overwhelming reasons not to do that, I'm gonna work up a Sororitas Valkyrie and post it in Proposed Rules soon...

There is no rationale against it. Another analogy would be all the DOD joint programs. Joint Strike Fighter comes to mind along with other 'Joint' procurements that save governments all sorts of money. Fluff-wise this is exactly the reason for the Leeman Russ and rhino templates and the near universal appearance of these two vehicles.

- J

streamdragon wrote:On topic, tangentially I suppose, I really have to give Soulstorm a try now. Those fighter craft look amazing.

They were not very useful aside from some scouting and harassing (specifically, hunting down fleeing enemy squads), but I still love the design - and the unit quotes were always funny.

"Protecting the Emperor's skies."
"Emperor, let my aim be true."
"Faster than blasphemy!"
- Lightning pilot

Also, the Canoness in that game has a terrific voice. It practically oozes righteous fervor!

While fluff seems all over the place, according to BL the lunar class cruiser Hammer of Thor was the flagship for the fleet at Ophelia, recommissioned (apparently a former Navy ship) in M39 and did not undergo her shakedown until M40 (????). Little of note from there on until M41. She took part in three battles in M41, before being lost to sabotage over Parnis.

 Lynata wrote:
Also, the Canoness in that game has a terrific voice. It practically oozes righteous fervor!

Ha! I know, right? Loved her voice lines. Utterly over the top, but very fitting. And quite hilarious.

Here's a few of my favourites (with accompanying audio extracted from the game files).

"Abominable traitors!""
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0sl0MSa3igp

"Witchcraft, heresy, and mutation!"
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ncgP0Jl1L1

"UNBELIEVERS... MUST... DIEEEEEE!"
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1tzzaDbZRcq

 Lynata wrote:


"UNBELIEVERS... MUST... DIEEEEEE!"
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1tzzaDbZRcq

How can I make that a .txt message tone on somebody's phone?

Sororitas ringtones. The idea has potential!

 Lynata wrote:


Sororitas ringtones. The idea has potential!

I have 'Sabbat' from the Traitor General album as my ringtone for Dark Reign staff members. Not entirely Sororitas related, but...

 Lynata wrote:

chyron wrote:In last SW book repair of damaged SM dropship was done by SoB/shrineworld servitors (under SM pilot's supervision), i guess that it's standart SoB practice.

Oh, that was in the Codex? If so, that's a rather useful hint - they would not know how to conduct such repairs if they would not themselves work with similar or the same vehicles, after all.

chyron wrote:Well, there's distinction even most ignorant civilian should get - unarmed APC is still APC, unarmed tank is anything but tank.

Really? I can only talk for the German military, but even a Bergepanzer (-> for recovery) is still a Panzer to us.

Maybe that has to do with the language itself.

IIRC, the full name for a Panzer is Panzerkampfwagon. Which translates roughly as Iron War Wagon.

So the German word for Tank is really a word applicable to any armored vehicle, while the English word has a specific type it refers to.

Grey Templar wrote:Maybe that has to do with the language itself.
IIRC, the full name for a Panzer is Panzerkampfwagon. Which translates roughly as Iron War Wagon.
So the German word for Tank is really a word applicable to any armored vehicle, while the English word has a specific type it refers to.

Perhaps, although then it would be a matter of interpretation anyways - after all, "tank" is derived from the shape of the vehicle: a metal trough, which applies to APCs just as much.

On a linguistic sidenote, an exact translation of Panzerkampfwagen would be "armoured battle vehicle" - and Panzer can apply to personal armour as well, although this is less common nowadays, with people instead using the term "Panzerung" or "Körperpanzer" to differentiate body armour from tanks.
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IRT Sororitas Ringtones...

Depending on your phone, if it has the capability to play MP3 or WAV files as a ringtone, you could rip the file right off the disc, or from a soundboard, convert it with an audiomixer to MP3 or WAV format, pop it onto an SD card, pop that into your phone, and move it to your Ringtones folder.

This would definitely be possible on any model of Android phone, unless someone has released a really-super-stripped down Android platform that I'm unaware of.