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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: All I’m getting from this is Lord_blackfang saw it, enjoyed it, and that’s apparently upsetting?
He negged the hell out of what is universally recognized as one of the best action movies n decades.
I guess Universally is just another way to say most people. All the Expendables movies were better, even the bad one.
I enjoyed it the first time but it fell completely apart on the second viewing. Was it a cool FX spectacle? Yes. Other than that? No. Not really.
Max topples yet another kingdom because they screwed with him. And they should have really leaned harder into that instead of making max nearly irrelevant. Or changed the pov to Immortan Joe freaking our and trying to save what he's build but harder. Or adding an after credit scene of a few weeks or months later when those breeder ladies couldn't hold things together with out becoming brutal tyrants would have been genius. Especially if it showed them in turn being over thrown. That movie could have been saved.
Maybe the best parts of the movie never made it to the final cut?
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I guess Universally is just another way to say most people. All the Expendables movies were better, even the bad one.
Lol, no. All the Expendables were terrible, but it's certainly ok to like them (I liked the 3rd movie for example) and also to prefer them over Mad Max. But it's pure personal taste, in no possible way they were better than Fury Road.
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As well as 'friend' and 'ignore' we need a 'vastly different impression of films than you' button, to give warning about other film comments
Expendables being better than Fury Road would definitely go on that list, along with the un-named person who had made a few comments about why AvP actually isn't that bad
Pacific wrote: As well as 'friend' and 'ignore' we need a 'vastly different impression of films than you' button, to give warning about other film comments
Expendables being better than Fury Road would definitely go on that list, along with the un-named person who had made a few comments about why AvP actually isn't that bad
Oooof, AvP... Not the movie I had hoped it would be. I really wanted an adaptation of the Dark Horse comic. Never read those Novels but the comic I really enjoyed.
Several of ya'll earned those deirious deirious Exalts..
I guess I was remises in mentioning who I thought was the other real star power of Furry Road. Imop, Nathan Jones was amazing, a brilliant role for him too. Sadly I thought he was taller in Troy... Oh, wait... Movie FX's.. Still he nailed it. He's no Dolph Lundgren I know.
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The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.
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Max topples yet another kingdom because they screwed with him. And they should have really leaned harder into that instead of making max nearly irrelevant. Or changed the pov to Immortan Joe freaking our and trying to save what he's build but harder. Or adding an after credit scene of a few weeks or months later when those breeder ladies couldn't hold things together with out becoming brutal tyrants would have been genius. Especially if it showed them in turn being over thrown. That movie could have been saved.
I believe the intent was to present Max as a figure of myth. Every society having tales of crossing paths with the road warrior. How much are true and how much they are to redeem their own actions? Approaching it to be a literal truth isn't what they were aiming for, but of course I think that is what most film watchers want, especially if you look at reactions to the films that leave the audience to fill in blanks or leave things unsaid (they are then said on the internet lots).
The film for me was the madness and insanity of the world beyond the apocalypse, where a figure like max achieves mythical status because of endlessly surviving where everyone else doesn't in a world that few would really want to survive in. And as a spectacle of insanity I thought it was great.
Long ago a friend of mine came with me to watch a Godzilla movie in the theater.
When we came out, I asked him what he thought. "It was okay," he replied, 'but they should have done more with the plot."
I shook my head. "Friend, it was a GODZILLA movie. A 500' lizard stomping on things WAS the plot. If you were looking for more we were in the wrong theater.'
Sometimes you just have to take something for what it is, and not expect it to be something else.
I couldn't agree more, both specifically with Godzilla and more generally about just enjoying popcorn movies for what they are. Not every movie needs to be Citizen Kane.
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Ouze wrote: I couldn't agree more, both specifically with Godzilla and more generally about just enjoying popcorn movies for what they are. Not every movie needs to be Citizen Kane.
For that matter, not every movie CAN be Citizen Kane.
And even if they could, if every movie was made to that level, the really good ones would no longer be special.
To paraphrase Syndrome: "If every movie is super... then none of them are."
Long ago a friend of mine came with me to watch a Godzilla movie in the theater.
When we came out, I asked him what he thought. "It was okay," he replied, 'but they should have done more with the plot."
I shook my head. "Friend, it was a GODZILLA movie. A 500' lizard stomping on things WAS the plot. If you were looking for more we were in the wrong theater.'
Sometimes you just have to take something for what it is, and not expect it to be something else.
AduroT wrote: I thought AvP was alright. Not Great, but certainly not Bad. I would much rather talk trash about AvP2.
Pure crazy talk.
What it all boils down to is at the most basic level and AvP movie needs to have aliens that behave like aliens and predators that behave like predators. AvP doesn't fulfill that most basic criteria. AvP-R does.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Long ago a friend of mine came with me to watch a Godzilla movie in the theater.
When we came out, I asked him what he thought. "It was okay," he replied, 'but they should have done more with the plot."
I shook my head. "Friend, it was a GODZILLA movie. A 500' lizard stomping on things WAS the plot. If you were looking for more we were in the wrong theater.'
Sometimes you just have to take something for what it is, and not expect it to be something else.
Vulcan, see my previous post.
I'll just presume you only ever dine out at five-star restaurants too. Perhaps even have a personal five-star chef. Heaven forbid you settle for mac&cheese or a hamburger...
AduroT wrote: I thought AvP was alright. Not Great, but certainly not Bad. I would much rather talk trash about AvP2.
Pure crazy talk.
What it all boils down to is at the most basic level and AvP movie needs to have aliens that behave like aliens and predators that behave like predators. AvP doesn't fulfill that most basic criteria. AvP-R does.
What? AvP2 has the Pred Alien that goes around French kissing pregnant woman to implant them with half a dozen baby Xenos each. What was so inconsistent with the first one?
I'll just presume you only ever dine out at five-star restaurants too. Perhaps even have a personal five-star chef. Heaven forbid you settle for mac&cheese or a hamburger...
Completely missing the jest, and sadly taking it the wrong way. But thats okay, as comedy is as beauty and therefore in the eye of the beholder...
Of course the Mad Max movies are entertaining violence where we leave our brain at the door and accept them for what they are. But Toecutter would have us believe otherwise!
A bit of a "hold my beer" moment, if that makes sense? Sigh, I think I'm now in Harlequin territory....
AduroT wrote: I thought AvP was alright. Not Great, but certainly not Bad. I would much rather talk trash about AvP2.
Pure crazy talk.
What it all boils down to is at the most basic level and AvP movie needs to have aliens that behave like aliens and predators that behave like predators. AvP doesn't fulfill that most basic criteria. AvP-R does.
Out of interest, for the guys saying AvP was 'OK' were you big fans of the comic books?
I think for me an element of it was the film itself being gak, but it was made that much worse because you had all of that material from the comics they could have used and it could have been awesome. So, kind of a lost opportunity thing perhaps.
As for the second one, they managed to do the impossible by making something that was actually worse than the first film. Which perhaps is an accomplishment in itself.
Never read the comics, so no idea what those were like. Went into AvP having only seen the films belonging to each franchise. How did the comics handle the crossover?
I am sorry for the digression, but since it was directly asked: I love the AvP comics and have been reading them since the 90s. I dearly wish we had a straight up, 1-1 adaptation of the Machiko Noguchi 4 comic arc.
I didn't particularly like any of the AvP movies because they all sorta sucked. I liked a few specific moments from both movies I liked (the sewer fight, just thrill of seeing Aliens on modern-day Earth); but those are have to be weighed against the addition of the most needless, edgelord scene I've seen in sci-fi in AVP:R.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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Easy E wrote: I will argue that Fury Road had a lot of subtle and very on-point subtext and was not a "brainless" action movie at all.
Edit: Granted, last time I saw it was in the theatre, so I maybe misremembering.
No, you are correct. It was also a showcase of showing instead of telling and trusting the audience. Sometimes, sadly, that trust is misplaced.
Modern storytelling is plagued by appeasements to the "is it canon" types in general. Plot holes as some kind of empirical measurement of quality is more or less the answer to why it matters that this is announced as a prequel. You had better of thought through exactly how this new story fits into the specific details of this place that must exist as a real place or clearly its just a bad story regardless of any other qualities it brings. I don't want to have to edit my wiki and don't you dare contradict my headcanon or fanfics.
AduroT wrote: I thought AvP was alright. Not Great, but certainly not Bad. I would much rather talk trash about AvP2.
Pure crazy talk.
What it all boils down to is at the most basic level and AvP movie needs to have aliens that behave like aliens and predators that behave like predators. AvP doesn't fulfill that most basic criteria. AvP-R does.
What? AvP2 has the Pred Alien that goes around French kissing pregnant woman to implant them with half a dozen baby Xenos each. What was so inconsistent with the first one?
Okay. First, the pred alien is a premature queen trying to establish a hive. She has the start of a crest, fleshy patches on the chest where little arms will develope, bosses the others around, and moves from dark cave like place to dark cave like place before moving on when the pred feths it up.
She isnt at an egg laying stage yet. Implanting the embryos is how she is boosting her numbers before she finishes evolving and transitions to the egg chamber.
Now, avp.
The drones attack the queen to free it from chains instead of each other.
The drones are intelligent enough to use a wound to spray acid like a whip which implies an understanding of physics. Queens are problem solving smart. Drones are animals.
A drones tail is like 18 ft long. It comes out of an alcove, down a wall, stabs a pred, spins it around, lifts it off the ground, and THEN the alien comes out of the dark.
The gestation period from face hugger to chest burster is 15 minutes where as i. Alien its establish to be closer to 24 hours.
The pred, who came to hunt aliens, took off his mask, fell unconcious, woke up feeling like gak, and didnt blow himself up knowing he got face hugged.
The preds gave a human pred tech. Nope.
The preds tech is wildly inconsistent in its acid resistence. Claws, acid prood, spear, acid proof, bladed disk, acid proof, armor for hunting aliens? Melts like butter. Bladed net bought to an alien hunt? Melts like butter. Wtf?
I can do more if you want.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Those are all fair points, but at the end of the day I'd still rather watch the first one than Requiem. At least I can actually see what the hell is happening, stupid as it might be.
LunarSol wrote: Modern storytelling is plagued by appeasements to the "is it canon" types in general. Plot holes as some kind of empirical measurement of quality is more or less the answer to why it matters that this is announced as a prequel. You had better of thought through exactly how this new story fits into the specific details of this place that must exist as a real place or clearly its just a bad story regardless of any other qualities it brings. I don't want to have to edit my wiki and don't you dare contradict my headcanon or fanfics.
Yes, a story that contradicts itself is a bad story unless maybe if you frame it as one of those movies where it's a grandpa reading a bedtime story to his grandkid, and even then the kid tends to call out inconsistencies, because even the movie kid has higher standards than some viewers.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
creeping-deth87 wrote: Those are all fair points, but at the end of the day I'd still rather watch the first one than Requiem. At least I can actually see what the hell is happening, stupid as it might be.
And thats fine. Everyone likes some dumb bad thing or another for whatever reason. Just as I said, my metric for a Alien or Predator movie is that at it's most basic level I expect the aliens to behave like aliens and the preds to behave like preds. AvP-R pasts the test. AvP doesn't. And if the titular Aliens and Predators are not even going to act like the things they are, then why the hell didn't you just dress them up differently and make some other movie about extraterrestrials punching each other in a temple?
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Easy E wrote: I will argue that Fury Road had a lot of subtle and very on-point subtext and was not a "brainless" action movie at all.
Edit: Granted, last time I saw it was in the theatre, so I maybe misremembering.
No, you are correct. It was also a showcase of showing instead of telling and trusting the audience. Sometimes, sadly, that trust is misplaced.
Modern storytelling is plagued by appeasements to the "is it canon" types in general. Plot holes as some kind of empirical measurement of quality is more or less the answer to why it matters that this is announced as a prequel. You had better of thought through exactly how this new story fits into the specific details of this place that must exist as a real place or clearly its just a bad story regardless of any other qualities it brings. I don't want to have to edit my wiki and don't you dare contradict my headcanon or fanfics.
I exalted this post. For too much of the geek crowd, "good writing" is just what you described there. Canonical precision. Technical writing, lol.
