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SilverMK2 wrote:

CptJake wrote:PS: Hope your sniper is REAL good, and fast:

http://boomerang.bbn.com/docs/jane_june2009.pdf

'Cause recent wars have lead to us using some interesting tech...

Jake

Sound triangulation is very useful


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FITZZ wrote:I understand what Jake is saying, especially as a Father myself...protecting my family and any with me would be of the utmost importance...any who would attempt to endanger those with me would be neutralized with extreame prejudice.

Just a shame we are on the other side of a giant ocean, as I would very much to be with guys such as yourselves during the zombie uprising

While not particularly skilled I am a quick and willing learner and would do as much as I could for the group... so long as you helped me look after the wife anyway

Having read ( and agreed) with many of your post concerning "Zombie outbreaks" in the past Silver, I'd more than welcome you and yours, seems to me you'd be an asset...and I'm pretty sure I could quickly teach you how to shoot accurately.

One step ahead of you Silver, i already figured out how to get to England.

...Maybe we can team up to find a way to America.

I've thought the disaster apocalypse thing through a little. We live in a rural area, but near military bases and a decent sized city (Savannah is about 20 miles away).

Neighbor has a big front end loader and a backhoe, berms could be put up overnight and improved barriers built as time allowed. We are on wells, so water should not be an immediate issue. We also have ponds and a stream (lots of fish in our ponds). Keeping the horses fed turns difficult within a month. One neighbor grows 2-3 acres of high yield vegetable gardens. Crap loads of deer and other game (as well as cows and goats within a mile). Arms and ammo are common and on hand. I have a very good deal of training in a lot of useful skills, and the tools on hand to make use of them. From advanced first aid training and kits to field sanitation, I'm not too worried. We could hold out here for a while. The neighbors would definitely band together, probably collapse onto one or two houses. I could move horse fencing/use on hand excess materials to reinforce barriers if needed.

The downside is with my wife deployed or stationed at Bragg when 'home' the odds of us not being togther initially are good. Daughter stays with me. During the school year son is up in Dahlonega, but the Corps of Cadets which he is a member of could easily get to the Ranger camp up there (they have a well stocked arms room, way better than I had in ROTC!) I have faith the Ranger camp stays secure and the mountains allow good people to feed themselves pretty easily. During the summer he is here, and is big enough and smart enough to be good help no matter what.

Heck, Fitzz could probably fight his way down here to get away from the hellhole hotlanta would turn into.

FITZZ wrote: Having read ( and agreed) with many of your post concerning "Zombie outbreaks" in the past Silver, I'd more than welcome you and yours, seems to me you'd be an asset...and I'm pretty sure I could quickly teach you how to shoot accurately.

Woo

And I was OK with the ol' air pistol when I was younger. If I ever go back to America I am going to see if I can find a range and shoot a few guns. Always wanted to see what it felt like (and if I would be any good ).

We have plenty of local indoor ranges/gunshops that allow you to rent all kinds of cool guns and fire them. You have to use their ammo which is an additional cost, but it can make for a fun day.

Jake

FITZZ wrote:

sillyboy wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
I see you'd be a good man to have around in this scenario Jake...

...So that he would sacrifice himself to save your life...

I know how you think Fitzz

Absolutely not...

Hmmmm *raises eyebrow*

sillyboy wrote:One step ahead of you Silver, i already figured out how to get to England.

...Maybe we can team up to find a way to America.

Sounds good

I'm right in the middle of England, but there is a major river just down the road so I can get to the sea reasonably easily. Though as I have said before, I would try and hold out in my flat for as long as possible to let the initial panic die down before moving, and also to see if it is just a "minor" outbreak, or the end of the world

Just noticed your location Jake, Believe me Atlanta is no where I want to be during an outbreak ( it's bad enough under "normal" conditions) and I had planned to bail from my area at the first signs of trouble anyway...
Plans were to head for rural MS,as my Brothers girlfriends Father has a very "well stocked" farm just outside of Hatisburg...but hell I'm fluid...pushing for your local may be a good idea.

CptJake wrote:We have plenty of local indoor ranges/gunshops that allow you to rent all kinds of cool guns and fire them. You have to use their ammo which is an additional cost, but it can make for a fun day.

Jake

I wasn't sure about how it would work for non-Americans being allowed to play with guns, but it would certainly be cool to shoot a few targets. I'd start with something small and move up in size so that I didn't just go for some kind of shooty cannon and break myself with unexpectedly hard recoil

SilverMK2 wrote:

CptJake wrote:We have plenty of local indoor ranges/gunshops that allow you to rent all kinds of cool guns and fire them. You have to use their ammo which is an additional cost, but it can make for a fun day.

Jake

I wasn't sure about how it would work for non-Americans being allowed to play with guns, but it would certainly be cool to shoot a few targets. I'd start with something small and move up in size so that I didn't just go for some kind of shooty cannon and break myself with unexpectedly hard recoil

AFAIK there are no laws against taking you ( as a visitor from another country) target shooting.
Though as you said, you should most likely start " small" ( 9MM) until you get accustomed to recoil...though honestly IMO .223/ 7.62x39 don't have much recoil respectively.

lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth

FITZZ wrote:AFAIK there are no laws against taking you ( as a visitor from another country) target shooting.
Though as you said, you should most likely start " small" ( 9MM) until you get accustomed to recoil...though honestly IMO .223/ 7.62x39 don't have much recoil respectively.

As much as I do like that we don't have guns in our society, it is a shame that we have closed all the shooting clubs and so on.

Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth

go live on a mountain or something. and there are plenty of ways to sanitize water.

Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth

If you live somewhere relatively sunny, solar distilleries create clean water from pretty much any water source. Though distilled water does lack many of the minerals and so on that are contained in "tap" or bottled water which have to be replaced in other ways. Also tastes pretty foul if you are not used to the taste

Antiseptics can be reasonably easy to create - if you have a still for creating alcohol, you have a means of creating antiseptics

Explain? One can boil water to drink, assuming that the contamination isn't something along the lines of Intesto-destroyer 5000 brand Radioactive Sludge.
One can still make soap ye olde fashioned way.

I agree with the lack of antibiotics far more than sanitation. Not hard to get that one right once you know you need it.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth

If you live somewhere relatively sunny, solar distilleries create clean water from pretty much any water source. Though distilled water does lack many of the minerals and so on that are contained in "tap" or bottled water which have to be replaced in other ways. Also tastes pretty foul if you are not used to the taste

Antiseptics can be reasonably easy to create - if you have a still for creating alcohol, you have a means of creating antiseptics

I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.

With out sanitation your risk for infection goes way up and with the lack of antibiotics it will really limit you. Sanitation is the key to combating infections in many cases as a preventive measure.

Crom wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth

If you live somewhere relatively sunny, solar distilleries create clean water from pretty much any water source. Though distilled water does lack many of the minerals and so on that are contained in "tap" or bottled water which have to be replaced in other ways. Also tastes pretty foul if you are not used to the taste

Antiseptics can be reasonably easy to create - if you have a still for creating alcohol, you have a means of creating antiseptics

I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.

With out sanitation your risk for infection goes way up and with the lack of antibiotics it will really limit you. Sanitation is the key to combating infections in many cases as a preventive measure.

While sanitation could present some issues I don't know that we'd be pressed to using tree sap as antiseptics...
Your average small town drug store shelves are teaming with bottled antiseptics and medicinal Alcohols...with a substatial shelf life.
...And it's not like we exist in the dark ages where the knowledge to replicate these ( and other items) don't exist..it what be a matter of locating the needed chemicals and the know how to do it.
As for water purification...boiling/ a bit of bleach...and that's after surplus bottled supplies are exuahsted or become unobtainable.

Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth

Surface shers and looters will be shot on sight!

CptJake wrote:

Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth

Surface shers and looters will be shot on sight!

...I think we covered the need for sanitized/ safe "waste management" a few pages back...but yes...common sense dictates you don't gak where you eat.

Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.

A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source

SilverMK2 wrote:

Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.

A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source

True, if you have an established base of operation building a still would be a rather simple matter.

EDIT:...It actually amuses me that " rural folk" ( at least in America) would be far better prepared for a "zombie apocalypse" then their " City dwelling" counter parts ...

FITZZ wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.

A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source

True, if you have an established base of operation building a still would be a rather simple matter.

finding a place safe from zombies wouldnt really be hard. its the humans you need to avoid.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.

A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source

True, if you have an established base of operation building a still would be a rather simple matter.

finding a place safe from zombies wouldnt really be hard. its the humans you need to avoid.

I agree that humans would present a serious " unknown" factor as far as threat...
Zombies are fairly simple to figure out...they move about, and will attack the living on contact, being bit=death sentence....pretty easy to understand.
Humans on the other hand...there are no "absolutes" here...any contact could result in an entire series of problems or result in new found allies.

OK well I think we need to define 'apocalypse' then. My definition means all is gone, barely anyone else left. All infrastructure is gone, all supplies you found at stores are now depleted, looted, etc. You are on your own with whatever you can carry with you. No place is safe, only safer and no place is permanent. The walking dead are all over and have left the cities in search for food and the remaining living fight and kill each other over the scraps that are left.

If you get injured, you're dead. If you get sick, you're probably dead. If you get cornered you will eventually die. If survival is the main goal here I think that the biggest problem you would have surviving is clean drinking water (hence my sanitation comment). People say, head to the mountains, boil it, distill water, etc. What if during the apocalypse nuclear/chemical warfare was used as a lats ditch effort to kill the zombies?

Just recently where I live a water treatment plant failed and they put a whole county on a water boil alert. You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.

Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.

With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.

Jake

CptJake wrote:

Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.

With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.

Jake

You actually think you can trust humans in an apocalyptic scenario? If it is a life long friend, sure I can trust them, some random person hell no I am not trusting them. I have had enough bad experiences with humans in our current society let alone one post apocalypse....

You go ahead and trust them, then they run off with all your supplies while you sleep, or worse cut your throat.

Raiding an occupied army base is suicide.

Raiding an unoccupied base is either pointless or suicide as the base is either deserted and thus the deserting soldiers took the supplies or the base was overrun and is full of enough zombies to take down a base full of fully armed and well trained soldiers.

I also hope you guys can jog and have good cardio health. You are gonna do a lot of walking and running is your first line of defense.

Crom wrote:

CptJake wrote:

Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.

With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.

Jake

You actually think you can trust humans in an apocalyptic scenario? If it is a life long friend, sure I can trust them, some random person hell no I am not trusting them. I have had enough bad experiences with humans in our current society let alone one post apocalypse....

You go ahead and trust them, then they run off with all your supplies while you sleep, or worse cut your throat.

I think that if I have made it to the point you describe that I will have gathered a group that I do trust, which is why we will have made it that far. Working alone with no one to pull security would never work.

Crom wrote:I also hope you guys can jog and have good cardio health. You are gonna do a lot of walking and running is your first line of defense.

you make me laugh. most humans cant be trusted.but those your traveling with most likely are. other wise the group would be over before it started.