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Now I get it!

Initially:

$1 to get in
$25 for 6 Werewolves
$25 for 6 Ogres
$25 for 6 Trolls

Total of $76

So for just $25 more ($101 total) I get:

1 Mummy
1 more Troll
1 Orc Chariot
PDFs of the two rulebooks, a signed print and a ticket to a party so far away that there's no chance I'll go!

I don't want/need a Mummy or an Orc Chariot, or the rulebooks though...

"Donating" $100 to get "free Gargoyles" is hilarious.

All this really is is a ruse to sell more models, but get the consumer to pay the product costs and for the models.

More of a pre-order than a "donation".

It just allows them to get the capital to produce these models, whereas they might have to wait longer to have enough capital otherwise.

Seems to be working for lots of companies, and good luck to 'em, I say

Alpharius wrote:Now I get it!

Initially:

$1 to get in
$25 for 6 Werewolves
$25 for 6 Ogres
$25 for 6 Trolls

Total of $76

So for just $25 more ($101 total) I get:

1 Mummy
1 more Troll
1 Orc Chariot
PDFs of the two rulebooks, a signed print and a ticket to a party so far away that there's no chance I'll go!

I don't want/need a Mummy or an Orc Chariot, or the rulebooks though...

You didn't include what you're spending that "4th" $25 dollars on (eg another 6 large infantry)

Yea, I'm "Donating" $225, at least, to get:

$100 Level - X2

- Kings of War Hardback Rulebook + Mini-rulebook ($45 RRP)
- Army Set of your choice ($75 RRP)
- Exclusive Vampiress Miniature
- Kickstarter Bonus: Litho print of the map of Mantica, signed by Ronnie.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Electronic copy of the Kings of War hardback rulebook.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Electronic copy of the Kings and Legends supplement.
- Kickstarter Bonus: 10 limited edition "mantic splat" dice.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Orc Chariot/ Fight Wagon model.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Free Troll model.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Free Mummy model.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Free ticket to the Mantic Party in Nottingham this September, or Entry to participation game with Ronnie at either Gencon or Adepticon in the US.

Plus;

3 more Mummies
1 more Troll
1 Mounted Undead Standard Bearer model
3 Werewolves
3 Ogres or Ogre Shooters, your choice!
One of each of the hero models that get sculpted for the kickstarter

I'd have to say that's a pretty solid return on $225 tossed in the "Donation" bin.

Baragash wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Now I get it!

Initially:

$1 to get in
$25 for 6 Werewolves
$25 for 6 Ogres
$25 for 6 Trolls

Total of $76

So for just $25 more ($101 total) I get:

1 Mummy
7 more Trolls
1 Orc Chariot
PDFs of the two rulebooks, a signed print and a ticket to a party so far away that there's no chance I'll go!

I don't want/need a Mummy or an Orc Chariot, or the rulebooks though...

You didn't include what you're spending that "4th" $25 dollars on (eg another 6 large infantry)

D'oh!

Fixed my mistake...

It is VERY tempting now... Wish I knew what the trolls were supposed to look like!

^ Click on the updates tab on the kickstarter page, numerous pics of the trolls and other stuff on there.




2 concepts for the trolls currently, armoured and un-armoured. They might end up with optional armour plates, since comments on them seem to be split right down the middle.


@ Talon - You've got that wrong, you can't order "2 lots" of the $100 pledge, you can only pick each pledge level once, and then add special extras to it. You're getting ahead of yourself there!

$225 or more is definitely the level to go for if you want to get a ton of goodies, you've just got the way the bonuses work a little wrong. Check the $225 level in my first post. If you pledge $225 or more, that is exactly what you get, no more, no less.

scarletsquig wrote:@ Talon - You've got that wrong, you can't order "2 lots" of the $100 pledge, you can only pick each pledge level once, and then add special extras to it. You're getting ahead of yourself there.

Not according to their reply when I asked that very question in a message to them. I was told if I wanted 2 of the $100 deal, to pledge $200 and get 2 $100 when the survey comes.

^ Oh, that's cool then.

Just as long as you're aware that the bonuses don't get doubled if you do that, only the stuff in the $100 pledge level will (the army set, rulebook, mini-rulebook, dice, and vampiress).

So for instance, you won't get 2 orc chariots by putting down $200, you'll still just get the one.

The total amount pledged determines what rewards you get.

scarletsquig wrote:^ Oh, that's cool then.

Just as long as you're aware that the bonuses don't get doubled if you do that, only the stuff in the $100 pledge level will (the army set, rulebook, mini-rulebook, dice, and vampiress).

So for instance, you won't get 2 orc chariots by putting down $200, you'll still just get the one.

The total amount pledged determines what rewards you get.

Correct.

Griever wrote:"Donating" $100 to get "free Gargoyles" is hilarious.

All this really is is a ruse to sell more models, but get the consumer to pay the product costs and for the models.

You might want to read the thread rather than just glancing at the title.

You get a hell of a lot more than that for your $100, the pledge levels offer a substantial discount from RRP to start with, plus free stuff on top, plus the special extras are all effectively on sale for a 50% discount.

scarletsquig wrote:^ Oh, that's cool then.

Just as long as you're aware that the bonuses don't get doubled if you do that, only the stuff in the $100 pledge level will (the army set, rulebook, mini-rulebook, dice, and vampiress).

So for instance, you won't get 2 orc chariots by putting down $200, you'll still just get the one.

The total amount pledged determines what rewards you get.

Unless you get your wife/girlfriend/brother/mother/mate to "donate" the second $100 deal under their name...


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Griever wrote:"Donating" $100 to get "free Gargoyles" is hilarious.

All this really is is a ruse to sell more models, but get the consumer to pay the product costs and for the models.

Damn, you're getting ripped off dude! I'm getting a shirtload more for my $100 pledge.
(elsewhere when I buy something, I'm usually paying for the product costs and always for the models...)

So does anyone know - If I pledge to get one of the army sets - will they come in/with the nifty Mantic storage boxes - or will I just be getting a bunch of sprues?

Do I get Mantic points for them too?

You won't get Mantic Points - it's already too good a deal!

I heard loose sprues, but you can always get more cases in the optional extras.

You might want to read the thread rather than just glancing at the title.

QFT - you pledge $100 to get the Rulebooks, dice, army set and vampiress (worth around $125) - everything else they are adding on at no extra cost (e.g. FREE). It's a fantastic deal!

I believe this one belongs here, too:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Brock-Rider Concepts

Current stretch goals: None, as they've all been met by the "Eternal Warriors"

*edit* There is now - $110k = Dwarven Brock riders

I tried using search so forgive me if I missed it, but just to be sure the mummies and gargoyles are restic right? They're priced exactly the same as the Warpath Restic stuff (and by that extension, what about the big guys?)

Everything in this kickstarter is resin plastic, with the exception of some heroes in metal - this kickstarter is all about sorting out a ton of elite units to really flesh out the armies and give them some variety beyond the core plastics that already exist.

They're still multi-part kits with lots of different options, though.

I still don't get why this is generating such negativity... This kickstarter project is one of the coolest that I've seen! I have a small number of Mantic models, and for $100 I get the rules, a pdf expansion, a big ol' army, and a whole heap of models that they might not have had the capital to sculpt for quite some time. Well over a hundred figures (including big stuff like an ork chariot and a troll) and the rules?!? That's an incredible bargain, when held up in comparison to some other gaming companies out there.

And the concept art is looking really good; the dwarf cavalry in particular is a big improvment over some of the dwarf units from the past. Dwarf on a mean old dinosaur? Sign me up!

I'm not seeing a ton of negativity in here...

With every new stretch goal hit, the $100 and up backers are getting more miniatures!

scarletsquig wrote:Everything in this kickstarter is resin plastic, with the exception of some heroes in metal - this kickstarter is all about sorting out a ton of elite units to really flesh out the armies and give them some variety beyond the core plastics that already exist.

They're still multi-part kits with lots of different options, though.

Uh... the plastic armies are all the usual GW-style plastic. I don't believe that Mantic have said what kind of plastic the Werewolves, Ogres, Trolls, etc will be made of - I'd assumed for some reason that they would be normal plastic on sprues as opposed to "restic".

Is there any actual confirmation on any of this anywhere?

they are resin plastic, it was in the comments of one of the kickstarter updates.

Considering the cost of producing a sprue, and the fact that all of the other Elite units in KOW are Resin-Plastic this shouldn't be a surprise.

@scipio Yep, the already-produced plastic armies are hard plastic.

I meant all the new kickstarter stuff when I said "all resin plastic". And yes, Mantic have confirmed the material choice (it's in one of the updates or comments somewhere).

If they were hard plastic sprues instead of resin plastic, each stretch goal would have a $60k gap between it, not a $10k one, and we'd be getting one-sixth of the new units... this kickstarter probably wouldn't have much in the way of success if that were the case, GW fans say they want hard plastic everything at low prices and get irritated by price rises, but that doesn't mean they'll open their wallet if some other company comes along and offers it - they want GW to lower their prices, not have to resort to buying from some other "crappy rip-off company" (the current majority opinion of what Mantic Games is amongst the internet community). So, Mantic is left with its core and slowly-growing playerbase to draw from for the most part. Hopefully by the time a Warpath KS is made, there will be enough interest for them to go "right, $60k stretch goal for hard plastic alien bug hordes, we'll give you 40 of the gribbley little bastards if we reach it, have at it!".

That is literally what it boils down to in economic terms - Mantic is well aware that its current playerbase desperately wants their armies to be "filled out" at this point, rather than just having a measly 3-4 units on plastic sprues and a few metals to go with them - you can't make a proper army out of 3-4 units, no matter how cheap they are! Stuff like the Orcs especially were really lacking in unit variety, and the restic trolls and chariot will help out with that.

Also, for large units (such as trolls, ogres etc.) hard plastic wouldn't make them any cheaper.

Look at the £2/model gore riders and abyssal halfbreeds - they're resin plastic, if they were done in hard plastic, that wouldn't lower the price point, in fact they might actually end up more expensive per model, because plastic moulds that require a large fill area cost more.

Resin plastic isn't bad either, it allows for undercuts in the sculpt, whereas plastic doesn't, so things like fur can be accurately sculpted (look at fur on GW plastics, it's always a series of neatly overlapping triangles due to the limitations of the medium).

When you have large models, doing resin plastic is definitely the way to go.

All of the models will still be multi-part and have lots of add-on components and variety like seperate heads, arms and weapons. And still be cheaper than GW plastic, with the exception of the Ogres with hand weapons which will be £2.50/unit more expensive than GW Bulls... Mantic will probably be looking to make an extremely heavily-discounted bulk-buy Ogre army set eventually to win the pricing war on that one, but for now at least, there's the 50% discount they're being sold at during this kickstarter.

The Mummies and Gargoyles are a pretty sweet deal, since the pricing is at the lower KoW price bracket for resin plastic. Which means $25 or £14 for 20 models.

Is there any concept art of the gargoyles floating around?

..There might be some of them sitting..

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sockwithaticket wrote:Is there any concept art of the gargoyles floating around?

No. So far, this is what we know:

Mantic wrote:NIghtmarish minions of the Abyss, Gargoyles are furiously-tempered, statueque females with stone-like skin and vicious claws.

Mantic wrote:they will be separate components in our sprue-less Plastic. They are almost definitely four limbed and female - whether they are pretty or not we'll see with what comes back from the art direction!

I have no objections to them being stone-like, but I'm still waiting to learn if they're going to be "pretty" or bestial before I contribute anything.

Which do you prefer?

(Prepares Armchair Psychology Analysis)

Alex likes 'em with their jiggley bits out.

Cheers, AlexHolker. That's interesting, my entire experience of Gargoyles, from Disney's Hunchback of Notre-Dame via Heroes of Might and Magic to real Church architecture, has them as stone monsters. Pretty and female are not words I'd usually associate with them, I will definitely wait for more info before committing. As much as I would like to drop enough to start an army here I think I'll stick to the Werewolves (awesome Dire Wolves for my Mordheim Undead) and get back to my pile of unpainted marines...

Alpharius wrote:Which do you prefer?

The former.

(Prepares Armchair Psychology Analysis)

I'll save you the time: I don't want bestial Gargoyles because I'm not interested in beasts as the foundation for an army. Part of it is aesthetics, yes, but it's also the same reason I prefer dragons that are "people" to dragons that are glorified flying horses. Mindless or animalistic mooks (like robots, zombies or alien bugs) are more of interest to me as tools of sapient characters than in their own right.

scarletsquig wrote:Alex likes 'em with their jiggley bits out.

I don't think there'd be much jiggling involved if they're made of stone.