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any one think that starchild theory would come true if GW advanced the plot?

Well, either the "Starchild" would come true, or the Emperor would become a 'true' Warp Power...

...or something else!

I really do wish GW would advance the plotline, but they've kind of painted themselves into a corner with their calendar!

GW could advance the story with out needing to advance the time line very much at all.

Monday this happend then 3 days later this happened then while that was going on. Tuesday some other stuff happened. Then thursday it got worse. Then on friday somewhere else some other crap happened then everyone wrapped up saterday. Sunday everyone rested.

And there is still 51 weeks and 9.999 years left before it rolls over to 41k

Sacastic but you get the point. They could easily push the story forward and still not really advance the time line all that much.

i dont know if they ever will advance the story line

In background terms it would be fairly simple to advance the timeline even to something as marked as the return of the New Man but from a gaming perspective I can well imagine that this would require a new set of codexes and almost certainly new characters and troops if not a new army or two to represent the factions that such an occurence would create.

In gaming terms, given Games Workshop's current attitude, it would probably be far too expensive to advance the timeline in any meaningful way.

so the time line is mostly frozen where its at

Advancing the Timeline could actually pull them out of the corner.

Bring the Emperor back ala starchild.

Impierium Splits as evil members of the Ecclesiarchy and High lords of Terra don't like that the big E is now in charge again. Excellent excuse to bring back LATD as a codex. or as Codex: Renagades.

Chaos launches New Black Crusade to stop invigorated Impierium.

T'au are still T'au, but Etheriels all get assassinated by Officio Assassinorum and T'au are now decently Grim-Dark ala Farsight Enclaves.

Eldar God of the Dead, Yneed, is born and Eldar begin an attempt to Regain control of "their" Galaxy and destroy the Necron menace.

Necrons fully awaken.....

Orks .... ..... WAAAAAAAAAAGH .

Tyranids continue to Omn nom their way through the galaxy OR they get broken, but splinter fleets will plague the Galaxy forever.



still eternal war, but a new invigorated storyline.

Grey Templar wrote:Advancing the Timeline could actually pull them out of the corner.

Bring the Emperor back ala starchild.

Impierium Splits as evil members of the Ecclesiarchy and High lords of Terra don't like that the big E is now in charge again. Excellent excuse to bring back LATD as a codex. or as Codex: Renagades.

Chaos launches New Black Crusade to stop invigorated Impierium.

T'au are still T'au, but Etheriels all get assassinated by Officio Assassinorum and T'au are now decently Grim-Dark ala Farsight Enclaves.

Eldar God of the Dead, Yneed, is born and Eldar begin an attempt to Regain control of "their" Galaxy and destroy the Necron menace.

Necrons fully awaken.....

Orks .... ..... WAAAAAAAAAAGH .

Tyranids continue to Omn nom their way through the galaxy OR they get broken, but splinter fleets will plague the Galaxy forever.



still eternal war, but a new invigorated storyline.

high lords splite? now who would cadians,steel legion, and other guard units side with? the SM could be rolled into one codex...

I don't see why not. It's a pretty big if for GW to do a sgnificant advancement, though.

Its a long shot that GW will advance the story of the game, at least any time soon. But I have heard a lot of grumbling about the story needing to progress lately from different gamers so who knows maybe GW is paying attention and planning to slap us up side the head with some new grim darkness in the near to not so near future.

I think the story will stay as stagnate as the Imperium is.

They say all good things must come to an end. The 40K universe is wonderfully crafted, for all it's flaws and a few false starts (and squats). Right now in the twilight of mankind, there is a universal tension, a magnificent and dramatic back drop for our battles, in the person of the dying Emperor, and the coming of the End of Days.

The Star Child theory is very good. But it would irrevocably change the tone of the game from grim to space opera. It would be a dawning of a new age of Hope for the Universe, and while it would be very fun I think, it risks alienating all the players who love the gritty desperation of the grim dark tone they we have all come to know and love.

I think the Star Child theory is consistent with warp theory, but think about it. If the Emperor clinging to life is all that prevents Him being reborn as a God capable of leading mankind into a new and brighter future, then the Space Marines, the Ecclesiarchy, and the Imperal Guard are all fighting for -nothing!- Someone put Him out of His misery already, He's suffered enough! In fact, the longer He stays alive, the crazier he'll get, and possibly when He becomes a God he'll be a nightmarish one...so kill him while He still has a little humanity left in Him...!!!

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They may well just keep infilling the timeline as it is, rather than advancing it.

What I'd like to see (nicely shortened ) is:

-Cypher kills Emperor

-Imperium shatters into milions of small empires

-Epic black crusade

-All the loyalist marines kill abbadon, crusade stops.


All this alows for a HUGE wordwide campaign, why didn't chaos overflow into the galaxy? all the thoughts of the emperor holding back the warp are questioned.


-The SM's band together to try and go about uniting all the little empires. (provides enough campaigns for the next decade )

-Traitor guardsmen can re-appear with cool cultist's and stuff.

-Without the unified strength of the imperium: orks, eldar, tau and all the other xenos mannage to secure empires.

-Hint at maybe the emperor being re-born? sightings of a mysterious person all over the galaxy.

-bring back as much mystery as possible to get somthin new for everyone to talk about over and over in the 40K background forum

-Set the stage as rebuilding the imperium rather than defending it on the edge of destruction.

-Release a primarch apocalypse set, bring a couple of them back into action.



This seem's just as compelling as the situation in the current setting

Gorechild wrote:What I'd like to see (nicely shortened ) is:

-Cypher kills Emperor

-Imperium shatters into milions of small empires

-Epic black crusade

-All the loyalist marines kill abbadon, crusade stops.


All this alows for a HUGE wordwide campaign, why didn't chaos overflow into the galaxy? all the thoughts of the emperor holding back the warp are questioned.


-The SM's band together to try and go about uniting all the little empires. (provides enough campaigns for the next decade )

-Traitor guardsmen can re-appear with cool cultist's and stuff.

-Without the unified strength of the imperium: orks, eldar, tau and all the other xenos mannage to secure empires.

-Hint at maybe the emperor being re-born? sightings of a mysterious person all over the galaxy.

-bring back as much mystery as possible to get somthin new for everyone to talk about over and over in the 40K background forum

-Set the stage as rebuilding the imperium rather than defending it on the edge of destruction.

-Release a primarch apocalypse set, bring a couple of them back into action.



This seem's just as compelling as the situation in the current setting

TBH cadians should kill Abbadon hes invaded their world 13 times with apocoliptic attacks and thousands of raids

Grey Templar wrote:Advancing the Timeline could actually pull them out of the corner.

Bring the Emperor back ala starchild.

Impierium Splits as evil members of the Ecclesiarchy and High lords of Terra don't like that the big E is now in charge again. Excellent excuse to bring back LATD as a codex. or as Codex: Renagades.

Chaos launches New Black Crusade to stop invigorated Impierium.

T'au are still T'au, but Etheriels all get assassinated by Officio Assassinorum and T'au are now decently Grim-Dark ala Farsight Enclaves.

Eldar God of the Dead, Yneed, is born and Eldar begin an attempt to Regain control of "their" Galaxy and destroy the Necron menace.

Necrons fully awaken.....

Orks .... ..... WAAAAAAAAAAGH .

Tyranids continue to Omn nom their way through the galaxy OR they get broken, but splinter fleets will plague the Galaxy forever.



still eternal war, but a new invigorated storyline.

Those are all brilliant ideas, but removing all the Ethereals would be a nigh on impossible task.

Grey Templar wrote:Advancing the Timeline could actually pull them out of the corner.

Bring the Emperor back ala starchild.

Impierium Splits as evil members of the Ecclesiarchy and High lords of Terra don't like that the big E is now in charge again. Excellent excuse to bring back LATD as a codex. or as Codex: Renagades.

Chaos launches New Black Crusade to stop invigorated Impierium.

T'au are still T'au, but Etheriels all get assassinated by Officio Assassinorum and T'au are now decently Grim-Dark ala Farsight Enclaves.

Eldar God of the Dead, Yneed, is born and Eldar begin an attempt to Regain control of "their" Galaxy and destroy the Necron menace.

Necrons fully awaken.....

Orks .... ..... WAAAAAAAAAAGH .

Tyranids continue to Omn nom their way through the galaxy OR they get broken, but splinter fleets will plague the Galaxy forever.



still eternal war, but a new invigorated storyline.

Except the God of the Dead requires all the eldar to...die

Why cant the emperor just om nom nom on souls like the chaos gods can?

his golden toilet eats 1000 people a day

Wyvern wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Advancing the Timeline could actually pull them out of the corner.

Bring the Emperor back ala starchild.

Impierium Splits as evil members of the Ecclesiarchy and High lords of Terra don't like that the big E is now in charge again. Excellent excuse to bring back LATD as a codex. or as Codex: Renagades.

Chaos launches New Black Crusade to stop invigorated Impierium.

T'au are still T'au, but Etheriels all get assassinated by Officio Assassinorum and T'au are now decently Grim-Dark ala Farsight Enclaves.

Eldar God of the Dead, Yneed, is born and Eldar begin an attempt to Regain control of "their" Galaxy and destroy the Necron menace.

Necrons fully awaken.....

Orks .... ..... WAAAAAAAAAAGH .

Tyranids continue to Omn nom their way through the galaxy OR they get broken, but splinter fleets will plague the Galaxy forever.



still eternal war, but a new invigorated storyline.

Those are all brilliant ideas, but removing all the Ethereals would be a nigh on impossible task.

How?

the Assassinorim could easily do it if they wanted too.

their attention is however focused elsewhere.



and it is believed the Yneed requires the death of all eldar. they could alter the fluff. Also, the Eldar codex is full of outdated fluff like "Millions of Humans and other races were killed when Slannesh was born" Humans weren't around then according to current fluff.

I was never a fan of the starchild theory, but apparently quite a few of you are. Now is this because you desperately want a plot advancement and you'll take anything, or do you think the idea has merit?

For me, its too prophetic, even for 40k. And reincarnation? Nah.

The Theory has a lot of merit, the emporer did cast part of him self away to kill horus, and his full death could affect the warp in different ways: remember he isnt fully dead yet

Well, it does add Grimdarkness.

it allows EVERY race and faction to have an impending doom.

Lets face it, Chaos has it cushy. they aren't just about to go extinct. Starchild makes that a very real possability.


it also makes the most sense out of all theories. Emperor planned out/Knew the Heresy was coming, planned to die and be reincarnated as a God. Golden throne derailed his plan and it took him several thousand years to break something in the machine so he would slowly die.


GW could also move the timeline into the space between when the E dies and he is Reborn. all hell breaks loose, maybe a few primarchs come back, Rumores of the Emperors rebirth and Emperor sightings add a sense of hope in the middle of the Chaos.

The tangent question I have is 'Why does the timeline have to advance?'

Is the need for progress in the backstory of 40K derived from people reading 40K books/stories?

Although I understand that GW produces suppliments that make some progress in the time line (Eye of Terror, etc), the base information provided lends itself greatly to create your own stories and campaigns. I liken it to old D&D RPG books. You get a basic setting and set of rules. You and your GM made the story. 40K offers such a great framework/outline of a backdrop but it doesn't have to continue.

Fiend wrote:I was never a fan of the starchild theory, but apparently quite a few of you are. Now is this because you desperately want a plot advancement and you'll take anything, or do you think the idea has merit?

For me, its too prophetic, even for 40k. And reincarnation? Nah.

I don't want a major timeline advancement. I just like the idea of it being a possibility. With the galaxy being so huge theres still limitless depth to explore in 40ks history, present and cultures. Plus its always fun to go over a "what if" scenario like that.

IntX wrote:The tangent question I have is 'Why does the timeline have to advance?'

Is the need for progress in the backstory of 40K derived from people reading 40K books/stories?

Although I understand that GW produces suppliments that make some progress in the time line (Eye of Terror, etc), the base information provided lends itself greatly to create your own stories and campaigns. I liken it to old D&D RPG books. You get a basic setting and set of rules. You and your GM made the story. 40K offers such a great framework/outline of a backdrop but it doesn't have to continue.

People who want advancement want something MAJOR.

Cadia getting eaten(Finally) Abbadabaosh getting caught be the GKs......something that makes you go, "WOW, didn't see that coming!"(as long as it isn't total BS)

things don't have to advance far, but some advancement would be nice.

as far as stories and BL books there is plenty of subject matierial that is untouched so no problems there.

Fiend wrote:I was never a fan of the starchild theory, but apparently quite a few of you are. Now is this because you desperately want a plot advancement and you'll take anything, or do you think the idea has merit?

For me, its too prophetic, even for 40k. And reincarnation? Nah.

Personally I would like to see them emperor die and the primarchs return to the shattered imperium to start again in rebuilding the empire. It seems far more plausible than the big E coming back as the star child but then again he is immortal for the most part and this is the 40k universe so who knows what could happen.

raptor8 wrote:his golden toilet eats 1000 people a day

Correction, 1000 psykers, a day.

Cambak wrote:

raptor8 wrote:his golden toilet eats 1000 people a day

Correction, 1000 psykers, a day.

Psykers have feelings too!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Cambak wrote:

raptor8 wrote:his golden toilet eats 1000 people a day

Correction, 1000 psykers, a day.

Psykers have feelings too!

but people dont have feelings for psykers most of the time