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**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Though, this thread has been quite dramatic in itself. I posted this after finishing page 2, so I'll defiantly be reading the rest. It looks super exciting.

Nah
Just a lot of bluewalling and smartarse comments from people like yours truly getting in the way of posts from people actually trying to do something constructive.
So ...a typical Dakka thread really.

Sorry just caught the subtlety of your wording.
you will be DEFIANTLY reading the rest of the thread.

I felt compelled to complicitely skip most of it.
Would seriously advise this course of action to preserve your sanity.

**RiTides**

MagickalMemories wrote:Did we just agree, disagree AND agree to disagree? All at the same time? Without arguing or calling names?

OMG! What is Dakka coming to? : )

Dakka-ocalypse

**AgeOfEgos**

fullheadofhair wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:I would think the Like/Dislike option would work.

So Dakka becomes a popularity contest? I fail to see that helping things.

Pretending some basement-dweller named "Kelets" appears and actually has good tactical advice, how would his +/- rating be interpreted?

Would Kelets' positive tactical acumen outweigh his negative behavior?

I was thinking the "like" would be for the thread not the poster. Why have a dislike - simply the lack of "likes" would suffice and therefore no negativity yet achieving same effect.

Yeah, you're likely right that the lack of a "like" = "dislike". The only reason I mentioned "Dislike"...was it would be an easy way for users to move spam/silly posts off the front page without alerting a mod.

**Monster Rain**

AgeOfEgos wrote:
fullheadofhair wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:I would think the Like/Dislike option would work.

So Dakka becomes a popularity contest? I fail to see that helping things.

Pretending some basement-dweller named "Kelets" appears and actually has good tactical advice, how would his +/- rating be interpreted?

Would Kelets' positive tactical acumen outweigh his negative behavior?

I was thinking the "like" would be for the thread not the poster. Why have a dislike - simply the lack of "likes" would suffice and therefore no negativity yet achieving same effect.

Yeah, you're likely right that the lack of a "like" = "dislike". The only reason I mentioned "Dislike"...was it would be an easy way for users to move spam/silly posts off the front page without alerting a mod.

Isn't it better to let Mods handle that though? It just seems like that sort of thing is way too open to abuse.

**Athera**

Monster Rain wrote:
Athera wrote:
the_ferrett wrote:I find the .... irony in the fact that there are two versions of the same thread in the top 10 most recent posts this morn. I also am amused that one of them contains a poll. Just... funny.

you should also find it amusing that one of those threads was started by a moderator as a troll.

That's the most amusing thing about it.

In an "absolutely terrible and does nothing for the reputation of the site" kind of way yes.

**Psyker_9er**

I love Dakka Dakka, this is the only online forum I post on. Then again, it is the only one not blocked by my work's anti-fun web site blockers.

I think the web site is great with great people. Ok, so sure, sometimes a thread gets repeated, big deal, dont read it if you dont want to or let them know what is already being discussed and send them a link. Do the right thing, or nothing at all.

I spend most of my time in the different painting/modeling sections. So hardly anything gets repeated there. Or, if I am not in the mood to read, I waste away the hours just voting on the gallery pictures.

If those other people dont like Dakka Dakka because they are too snooty, then that is their problem. I am glad we dont have to read through their smug comments. Sure, we might have a few who might not be considered the brightest crayon in the box, or the sharpest knife in the drawer, but every pond has bottom feeders.

**Reecius**

@Ncronlord3

Hahaha, You should send Romeo a love letter. Dude, don't you have anything better to do than hate on Battlefoam? You and the other guy with the anti battlefoam avatars. You guys have to be championing the most lame cause of all time.

Did Romeo kiss your girlfriends or something?

**whitedragon**

Reecius wrote:@Ncronlord3

Hahaha, You should send Romeo a love letter. Dude, don't you have anything better to do than hate on Battlefoam? You and the other guy with the anti battlefoam avatars. You guys have to be championing the most lame cause of all time.

Did Romeo kiss your girlfriends or something?

Agree with Reece, and not just because he's my teammate.

**AgeOfEgos**

Good thing there's not a like button then, ISN'T IT?

Just joking

whitedragon wrote:
Agree with Reece, and not just because he's my teammate.

**Platuan4th**

whitedragon wrote:
Reecius wrote:@Ncronlord3

Hahaha, You should send Romeo a love letter. Dude, don't you have anything better to do than hate on Battlefoam? You and the other guy with the anti battlefoam avatars. You guys have to be championing the most lame cause of all time.

Did Romeo kiss your girlfriends or something?

Agree with Reece, and not just because he's my teammate.

Agreed, and not just because you two are my team mates.

Where's Lorek? We need more solidarity of DD2.

**NecronLord3**

Reecius wrote:@Ncronlord3

Hahaha, You should send Romeo a love letter. Dude, don't you have anything better to do than hate on Battlefoam? You and the other guy with the anti battlefoam avatars. You guys have to be championing the most lame cause of all time.

Did Romeo kiss your girlfriends or something?

You seem to have as much of a vendetta against me as I do against Battlefoam, so what are you still pissed about what I did to your girlfriend? Don't worry she liked it. And I don't have to have my friends come in to back up my comments like you seem to.

We really don't need comments like this. ta.

**Ordo Dakka**

Please save DakkaDakka from stupid arguments about foam-cutting companies.

**fullheadofhair**

NecronLord3 wrote:
Reecius wrote:@Ncronlord3

Hahaha, You should send Romeo a love letter. Dude, don't you have anything better to do than hate on Battlefoam? You and the other guy with the anti battlefoam avatars. You guys have to be championing the most lame cause of all time.

Did Romeo kiss your girlfriends or something?

You seem to have as much of a vendetta against me as I do against Battlefoam, so what are you still pissed about what I did to your girlfriend? Don't worry she liked it. And I don't have to have my friends come in to back up my comments like you seem to.

I thought the purpose of visiting his girlfriend was to punish him not her? Most women lie about how good men are - except mine, I am sure she is always telling me the truth and she says size doesn't matter so I know she is telling me the truth.

**BloodThirSTAR**

Is Dakka really so bad? Im a relatively new member and dont have any problems here. Sure there are the ego maniacs that love the sound of their own voice but you have that anywhere you go. I say leave Dakka as it is. This is a wonderful place.

**Geemoney**

Has dakka been saved yet? I sure hope so!

**Kilkrazy**

Dashofpepper wrote:
RiTides wrote:I think Manchu is on the right track about doing this as a user thing. Make a thread, gather all of the information you're talking about, and who knows maybe it'll get stickied! Either way you can reference / link to it. But I don't personally think that adding more moderation (and/or more mods) and title standards to the rest of the site is the right way to go at all...

*shrugs* To each their own. I've gone the distance to try bringing something useful and helpful to Dakka. Hundreds of hours and sweat and blood and sleeplessness and procrastination of work. I'm happy to give ideas here, but nothing promotes the abandonment of a good idea like the inability to implement it. The last thing any section of the forums needs is a "team" of people to internally discuss how to index or sort something before finally coming to agreement about what to posit forth to someone else who will ultimately eventually probably disregard it.

You can implement this by making tactics articles. You could even make an article discussing how to organise tactics articles. You don't need to be a moderator to do that.

**Zid**

Frazzled wrote:
Zid wrote:I completely agree with what most people are proposing here.

Sure, I'm a newbie on the boards by some standards... but hell, I've received more help from these boards than any other. I rarely get flamed for my ideals, though there are a few egomaniacs here. And i agree wholeheartedly that digging through the "crap" is an all too common occurrence; one in ten threads are great.

Dakkadakka is great for new and experienced gamers alike. Dash helped me a lot when I was trying out dark eldar a while back, and I helped him with modeling some disintigrators. Theres something for everyone. I just think that the "filth" (such an ugly word tho) could be controlled a little more.

Don't honestly have much more to say than that.

Here's the rub though,

(This is purely an example) there are many posters who think DoP's posts fall into that filth category, and we've had lots of PMs etc. to get rid of DoP. Others like DoP.
This goes back to the immortal Mauleed. For every person who likes their posts, there is another who think's every statement by that poster just defiles Dakka. Its an issue.
There are even people who strangely have an issue with me, although secretly we all know they are really just chihuahas jealous of the awesome power that is Team Weinie.

The problem is the popular vote isn't always the right vote.

If a lot of the military (which I'm a part of) could have it their way, where would we be? The higher ups (Moderators) pick and choose the good suggestions from the bad. If 10,000 people want something done, but its a bad idea, then look; it ain't gettin done.

I agree, overmoderation is as bad, if not worse, than undermoderation. That being said, I also think a little more attention needs to be paid to certain areas; background being one forum. I never visit it because... theres just so much bleh. Sure, I can see some people genuinely being interested in arguing primarch powers and what have you... but by the 15th thread of the same stuff it just seems like people argue just to argue.

I can see why some people don't like Dash; he wins. A lot. Hes a competative gamer thats good at it. He takes what some people see as "crap" and makes it win. But he makes winning fun as does he make losing. I've read every one of his reps and they're great reads and I learn a lot about what I face be it orcs or dark eldar. Hes a good player and he beats people who hate to lose. Hes like the cowboy in a western movie; moseys into the bar, shoots a few bad dudes, steals a damsel, and away to the next town. I can see why people would get upset at this - especially if they're the "local" champ.

But thing is, Dash has some valid points. A lot, actually. And as hes said, hes not going to sit around and take all the heat and not fire back - especially when people hit below the belt. Nobody with any shread of dignity would do any less. Hell, if people bashed me as often as he gets it, I'd probably not be able to hold my temper (honestly don't see how you do it dash). And Dash has helped a lot of people. Its a friggin GAME guys - you lose some, you win some. Its not real life, no ones going to die if you lose this GT, or flub that tourney... have fun with it.

Either way, I agree a little scrubbing would do any place good. I love dakkadakka; its the site I visit when I get home from work tired as hell working on planes. I genuinely love reading others lists and ideas; and getting feedback on my own. But like everyone else I hate to have to search more than 2 pages back to find something worthwhile!

**Hulksmash**

Here, I added some content

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/319613.page

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

I don't post often (most of my latest posting has either been in the OT section or the Dakkacon thread) but I've been a member just over a year, and lurking long before that, and I agree with Dash and Manchu: something has to be done about our forum. Dakka is my internet home, and I too have watched it go slightly downhill over the last year+. I'm staying out of the Tactics section, as I don't spend alot of time there (partially due to the mentioned reasons). But Background and Discussions are in serious need of a scrub. I pulled these off of the FRONT PAGE of the Background section:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/319367.page
This doesn't belong here, I'd put this in Discussions if I didn't get rid of it for repetition.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/317900.page
Good thread, wrong section

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/318980.page
...another one?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238779.page
Once again, belongs in Discussion

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/279549.page
I think I even voted on that one, and I feel not as smrt for it

And yes, before you all look through my topics started, even I have been guilty of this sin:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314061.page

Not to mention all the DYI Chapters/craftworlds/regiments that belong in the Fiction section but are camped in Background

Background is meant for just that: Background about 40k. But from what I've seen its one of the least moderated sections I've had the fortune to look through. I wouldn't mind sitting down and going over ways to improve that board with people, not that Background would require massive amounts of work, just vigilance and the occasional beatstick.

I would submit more content (mostly in Fiction, Background, and Batreps) but they get buried under all the "40k vs xxx" threads, and I'm not building an army yet, so I have extra time to sit here and think of ways to improve stuff

**SoloFalcon1138**

Swordbrotherjim and I have been saying the same things... there's a lot of sage advice to get from talking to hundreds of other players, but we have to weed through a bunch of flamers and b$%chfests and decode useless and misleading abbreviations...

**Kilkrazy**

Hulksmash wrote:Here, I added some content

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/319613.page

I like it.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:Here, I added some content

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/319613.page

I like it.

So did I, but he forgot a certain something...

**Kilkrazy**

Background is for Fluff. Threads like the ones you pointed out should be flagged for moving to the 40K General Discussions thread.

IMO Fiction should be kept for actual stories, while homebrew chapters should go in either Background or Discussions, depending on how 'serious' they are.

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

So if I were to just post my army's background, I'd put it in the 40k Background board, but if I was planning on adding stories and such to it I would put it in Fiction, yes? Thats what I'm working on right now, and don't want to be putting stuff where it don't belong after my little rant above.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Kilkrazy wrote:
IMO Fiction should be kept for actual stories, while homebrew chapters should go in either Background or Discussions, depending on how 'serious' they are.

When folks put up their homebrew chapters fluff for the rest of us to see and comment on, to me, they are saying 'Folks, just created this chapter of marines, do they fit the 40k mythos comfortably or do they need some trimming around the edges to be a better fit?'

Background would seem the natural place for those.

**Kilkrazy**

Yes, I agree. The one proviso is that if your chapter or army is a non-serious army it should go in General Discussion, as Background is for serious fluff.

If you also produce fiction for your army, the Fiction forum is the natural place to show off that and get feedback.

Finally, you could combine your finished fluff and fiction into an article.

**Howard A Treesong**

NecronLord3 wrote:I totally agree with you. Dakka would be a much better place if Gwar and those like him were not a part of it.

This would be a sadder place without poster like Gwar, his FAQs show a real interest in contributing unlike the nonsense that fills up certain sections.

**loki old fart**

Howard A Treesong wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:I totally agree with you. Dakka would be a much better place if Gwar and those like him were not a part of it.

This would be a sadder place without poster like Gwar, his FAQs show a real interest in contributing unlike the nonsense that fills up certain sections.

+1
Dash and Gwar make this place worth visiting

**Frazzled**

Dashofpepper wrote:
Frazzled wrote:I have to stop bfore more coffee goes out nose....Newb!

Would this thread be permitted in Tactics under the DoP?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/317162.page
Who would be permitted to post? What could they post?

Same to same for this one:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/318382.page
Who would be permitted to post? What could they post?

Have you and Monster Rain not read this thread?

My suggestion isn't to decide what is or isn't sound tactical advice, and I've explicitly addressed this very point that neither of you have read (or are explicitly ignoring). Rather, here's what tactics (and possibly other sections of the forum need.

1. Someone to write a sticky outlining how to post in the forum, and in what form.
2. Someone ENFORCING those standards, such that a viewer can readily see what a given thread is about by the title.
3. Someone INDEXING all of the common tactical discussions taking place so that others can later benefit from the discussions already having taken place.

Frazzled, in a DoP moderated tactics board, your first thread would get nothing from me. Its a unique situation, not often repeated and would simply be discussed, answered and in time it would sink out of attention.

Frazzled, in a DoP moderated tactics board, your second thread would get indexed under ORKS, possibly with the tags, "Most competitive, Ork competitive." More likely though, this discussion has probably been hashed to death already? If possible, I would merge the two threads, PM the OP with the link to the merged thread, and tag THAT thread as the one that goes into the index.

Its not about moderating what is or isn't allowed to be posted, or what is or isn't sound tactical advice - that's for posters to decide as they explore each thread and post in them. Rather, its about directing traffic and making everyone use the same traffic signals. I'd volunteer to do that.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Manchu wrote:I still don't think we should let the idea of non-mod volunteer work slip away (I mean, look at Malfred's contributions!) without more discussion. I'm really up for getting a team together to organize the tactics threads. I don't think the first step needs to be appointing new mods.

(1) Would anyone else be interested in this? Again, I am specifically asking DashofPepper since we seem to have arrived at the same potential solution here.

(2) If we can do that, would mods be willing to bring down the thread locks on people who post duplicate threads?

I'm seeing this thread veer away from practical suggestions that could actually be accomplished (with hard work) toward an unresolvable argument. Could this be the real problem?

Two phrases come to mind.

1. If you want it done right, do it yourself.

2. Authority without power is meaningless and empty. If you are granted authority over something without the means to enforce or uphold your authority, you have none in the first place. It reminds me being a West Point cadet....where cadets are assigned "authority" over their peers and are responsible for their actions, but have no authority to either reward or discipline their peers - it makes the position of authority a sham. In terms of "organizing the tactics section" I've made my suggestions for how it should be done. Would I be part of a team that takes notes of threads, or makes suggestions for indexing, and reports all of those things to someone else so that they can decide to do it or not? Absolutely not. Either make me capable of doing what needs to be done or do it yourself.

Thats a lot of work DoP. I wouldn't depend on volunteers. In my experience that lasts about a week except for hardcores.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

BloodThirSTAR wrote:Is Dakka really so bad? ... Sure there are the ego maniacs that love the sound of their own voice.

just look at the posts above yours quoted, and the personal sniping that has nowt to do with the topic being discussed