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Platuan4th wrote:

Flashman wrote:Relatively little has been said about the game itself

Not to be a pithy little bastard, but wouldn't that actually require us knowing something about the game beyond "It's a ship game!"?

Honestly, I think we've said everything possible about the game based on what little we know.

I'd love to discuss the rules, models, etc., but we don't HAVE that.

I suppose really we don't even know if it is a ship game at all, there has been nothing at all official mentioned, no pics, nothing. GW seem to have finally learnt how to secure the leaks in the chain after the past few releases (including WD) have been almost completely leaked with high res pics and info weeks in advance.

Personally I'm glad nothing is official yet, it's actually a bit exciting not knowing what is coming out, but that something is.

At the end of the day, you don't have to buy it, I might, but if it is ship based I'm not sure I will as the whole pirate thing never really appealed to me.

GBDarkAngel wrote:

RatBot wrote:I might've been interested enough to try this, and if I liked it enough, maybe even break my ban on GW products, because it's just a one-off stand-alone game with no expansions (basically it sounds like a board game without a board)... but only if there was a Skaven Fleet. It's too bad, there aren't a whole lot of Fantasy Naval games out there. Uncharted Seas is the only one I know of.

You cant get a Skaven fleet, the Rats would desert it

While I get the joke:



Skaven Fleet!

I miss Man-O-War.

There are 2 Skaven clans with big fleets

An i phone is NOT a board game. It is an amazing tool that lets you access and transmit amazing volumes of information. A game is far more trivial. This is comparing a kitchen to a gummy bear. The kitchen can be used in a variety of ways beyond food consumption, where the gummy bear comes in one flavore and ... after you have eaten it, its gone. The gummy bear is very one dimensional. Other things can be done with it but there are limits imposed upon it because it is only a gummy bear.

The i phone customer shelling out for a i phone is so different from someone shelling out for a board ngame. These two things cannnot be compared side by side.

Comparing a board game that has plenty of re-use value to a gummi bear, which is a consumable is pretty silly too.

sennacherib wrote:An i phone is NOT a board game. It is an amazing tool that lets you access and transmit amazing volumes of information. A game is far more trivial. This is comparing a kitchen to a gummy bear. The kitchen can be used in a variety of ways beyond food consumption, where the gummy bear comes in one flavore and ... after you have eaten it, its gone. The gummy bear is very one dimensional. Other things can be done with it but there are limits imposed upon it because it is only a gummy bear.

The i phone customer shelling out for a i phone is so different from someone shelling out for a board ngame. These two things cannnot be compared side by side.

People weren't comparing the device, they were comparing the companies. That said I have an iPhone and a mac and I really like them. I pay through the nose because I think Apple make well designed tech. At the same time I pay through the nose for Games Workshop products because I think they are also well designed. That is not to say either company are perfect. Apple's Ping thing on iTunes is a horrid turd of a disaster. As was the massive issue with their antennas that had them giving free cases to their customers. Likewise I think Finecast has been a disgrace that has tarnished Citadel and I think whoever launched it and still continues to push it should be fired. With metal and plastic I was 99% sure of getting a good quality product and was happy to buy special characters I might never use. But Finecast makes me hesitant and that is a bad thing. It's been a standard concept that Apple fans pay an 'Apple tax' but I wonder how many people consider that they are happy to pay a 'GW tax'?

Howard A Treesong wrote:I don't think Man o' War 'failed' just because it didn't make money. I'd dispute that it did fail actually, it had a couple of years shelf life which is all GW give to games which aren't Fantasy or 40K. Necromunda and Bloodbowl were exceptional cases and even they had limited availability in shops.

GW just don't support games which aren't their big two, or big three with LOTR. That's why they seem to be doing these one shot things, because they can just sell it and tell people that it's getting no support and not to bring it back to the shop expecting a game in future.

Since LOTR came out they have only supported the big 3 and it sucks!

Epic
Space Hulk
Necromunda
BFG

Hero Quest
Warhammer Quest
Blood Bowl
Mighty Empires
Man'O'War
Mordheim

All have fallen by the way side because they are not the BIG 3 which IMHO is wrong because they are all good games and should all still be around because people still try to play them!

(sorry but I am an OLD git so I remember these old games)

Perhaps a bit too old and forgetful because you forgot Inquisitor.

Inquisitor should always be forgotten.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:As I've said before, some people need to wake up and smell the poly cement. I never thought I'd defend them, but you can't blame GW for being all hush hush when you consider the leaks they've had in the past.

Those leaks are only a problem if they have actually, you know, been a problem.

That's where the difference of opinion comes in. GW think that people knowing about stuff before release means that they won't be excited about it when it finally hits the shelf. Most of the rest of us think that this idea is ridiculous... building hype about you product before release helps get people excited enough to buy it.

deejaybainbridge wrote:..., as an example, Apple, that great phone, MP3, computer manufacture shows people nothing, not a thing before they release anything, yet people dropped to there knees and handed over hundreds of pounds when the iphone 4 was released, with bug's and all. Three days people stood outside O2 in York to get there hands on something they hadn't seen prior.

They might not have seen it, but there was plenty of information about it. Unless you're buying tech to be match your outfit, what a phone looks like is far less important that what it can do.

That's not the case with a miniatures game.

insaniak wrote:GW think that people knowing about stuff before release means that they won't be excited about it when it finally hits the shelf. Most of the rest of us think that this idea is ridiculous... building hype about you product before release helps get people excited enough to buy it.

And you can get customer feedback in the earlier design process...which may help avoid models like the Chibi Hawk or the Dreadaweful Knight.

We know next to nothing about the game but see the GW idea of "marketing". So if this thread comments on GW's marketing and not so much on the game, it represents the current state of information. And predictions that this game won't sell as much as Space Hulk, are reasonable.

Personally I am not interested in the game. And I got 2 exemplars of Space Hulk, decided to buy them 2.5 years before release, when the first rumours were posted by Harry.

Kroothawk wrote:Personally I am not interested in the game. And I got 2 exemplars of Space Hulk, decided to buy them 2.5 years before release, when the first rumours were posted by Harry.

I'm just curious as to how you can even make this assertation. You know nothing about it. Nothing. If anything, you comment is simply ignorant and short sighted.

And I don't quite understand your Space Hulk comment, but if it means you bought used copies of the old edition 2.5 years before 3rd edition came out, let me assure you that you're a fool if you're rather keep those ones than get the new version. The 3rd edition is so grotesquely better produced than the previous two editions it's laughable.

I just got an email from another gaming company essentially saying they'll show us something on the 16th. It's not just GW that thinks ****teasing is the pinnacle of marketing.

Well were GW goes Mantic does seem to follow.....

@ cincydooley - no he is just commenting on what a well connected individual he/she is.

cincydooley wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Personally I am not interested in the game. And I got 2 exemplars of Space Hulk, decided to buy them 2.5 years before release, when the first rumours were posted by Harry.

I'm just curious as to how you can even make this assertation. You know nothing about it. Nothing. If anything, you comment is simply ignorant and short sighted.

I am not ignorant of my interests, thank you.

cincydooley wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Personally I am not interested in the game. And I got 2 exemplars of Space Hulk, decided to buy them 2.5 years before release, when the first rumours were posted by Harry.

I'm just curious as to how you can even make this assertation. You know nothing about it. Nothing. If anything, you comment is simply ignorant and short sighted.

And I don't quite understand your Space Hulk comment, but if it means you bought used copies of the old edition 2.5 years before 3rd edition came out, let me assure you that you're a fool if you're rather keep those ones than get the new version. The 3rd edition is so grotesquely better produced than the previous two editions it's laughable.

I guess he was thinking about reselling them once the game was discontinued. I spent 100€ in a Star Wars limited edition figure. Some people is paying 300€ now for it. I might think about selling it...

No, I use the games myself (for the game itself, the tiles for Dark Heresy, the genestealers for my Tyranid army). And I don't know more than is posted in this thread. I don't care about naval games, esp. when they are that expensive.

Kroothawk wrote: I don't care about naval games, esp. when Spartan does them better.

Fixed that for you.

But I do... where, oh where, are my pics Kroot

Well now I understand why people say GW marketing is so darn clever, it all makes sense on their gummy bear one dimension universe

Speaking of nonsense now... Kroot how dare you have 2 spacehulks? Now Im jealous and now Im going to call you some nasty names if that fails I will tell my mother and she will teach you some lesson, you bad boy you.

Joking aside @Bloodwin GW tax? Sorry but as much as I liked GW there was always other fishes in the sea at more competitive prices and some times with a quality much superior, what I'm trying to say is the quality never justified the tax and as you say today with finecast the tax is just plain offensive.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:There are so many irreverent posters criticising GW's marketing that News and Rumours is barely navigable,

It's not because News and Rumours requires the kind of news and rumours that GW is vigorously suppressing? And "irreverent"? GW isnt' the fething pope.

They have only themselves to blame if the only information that's out there (that it's a "fleet" based game that doesn't actually let you have a fleet, just a hodgepodge of assorted races' ships, and that it's a standalone, limited edition game with no room for expansion) does not work in their favour.

so I was right? its a one shot thing GW will phase out after a few months and then the models will be utterly useless?
I knew it...well I'll buy a few ships a year or two from now when they are being sold for pennies on the dollar

Lord Poison wrote:
I knew it...well I'll buy a few ships a year or two from now when they are being sold for pennies on the dollar

I'm sorry, but why?

This isn't a miniatures game, it's a board game. The ships will be fairly useless for other fantasy naval game going by accounts of their size.

oh I just would want them for display pieces, I often like to paint random miniatures that I just find and get for cheap here and there. Lets me build my painting and have some fun with it!
as for the game itself, I have no interest in it because I can't play it (none of my friends play these kind of games and I only go to GW to play miniature games- as until last week I only played GW miniature games-that and the store is closer then any other gaming store). It would be a pointless investment in something I'd merely put on my shelf to look neat, and as I said, I can wait and pick it up for much cheaper down the line when its faded and forgotten (because unlike Space Hulk, which had really nice miniatures, this game will fade away and fast, if cut loose). Personally I don't think its going to do well in its only run, because of the scale, though thats my opinion.

Lord Poison wrote:so I was right? its a one shot thing GW will phase out after a few months and then the models will be utterly useless?

Yes, once GW stops selling a game it becomes illegal to play it, so your only recourse is to burn the models and pretend it never happened.

insaniak wrote:

Lord Poison wrote:so I was right? its a one shot thing GW will phase out after a few months and then the models will be utterly useless?

Yes, once GW stops selling a game it becomes illegal to play it, so your only recourse is to burn the models and pretend it never happened.

as I said, none of my friends play these sort of games, so I would have no one to play it with
so it would have been a crappy investment on my part to get a board game, I would only get to play for a few months... if I wanted to have a game I'd only play for a few months, I'd just get a video game (snap)

Lord Poison wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Lord Poison wrote:so I was right? its a one shot thing GW will phase out after a few months and then the models will be utterly useless?

Yes, once GW stops selling a game it becomes illegal to play it, so your only recourse is to burn the models and pretend it never happened.

as I said, none of my friends play these sort of games, so I would have no one to play it with

Actually, what you said was your friends don't play miniature games(I went and checked), you never said your friends don't play board games.

My wife doesn't play miniature games, but she loves games like Risk, Zombies!, and other board games that happen to use models as playing pieces.

they don't seem to be board game-y people, though I only own one miniature one (blood bowl)
I could ask, but I highly doubt it (I've never actually seen any of them own a board game)-I'd try something more mainstream with them like monopoly then this (they're all women, so its a harder sell with ships and orks lol) I think they'd rather paint them then play any game with them (painting is often very fun to a lot of non gamers, and a surprisingly large amount of women)

Lord Poison wrote:as I said, none of my friends play these sort of games, so I would have no one to play it with
so it would have been a crappy investment on my part to get a board game, I would only get to play for a few months...

I'm confused... How are you playing it for a few months if nobody will play it with you in the first place?