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hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Honestly I dont care for painting all that much, but I LOVE to build and convert. I see painting more as a necessary evil. I really hate painting multiples of the same mini, like you have to in "army" scale games like 40k. Probably why I have never actually finished a 40k sized army. Back when I was an active Battletech player I had about 120 mechs, no 2 painted the same.

Thats one big draw to WarmaHordes...low model count means not much painting. Also giving each warbeast a slightly different paint job allows you to tell them apart during the game.


My solution/advise for people who have absolutly no need or compulsion for painting...dip/wash. Base coat your army in a color...say light grey or light brown, then wash or dip in a darker shade. Finish with black on the base and maybe a varnish or dullcote. This will bring out the detail on the minis and take very little time or effort...and look better than just bare plastic or primer.


Another thing occurred to me as well...some people just dont paint very well, and would rather be grumbled at a bit for no paint, than outright torn up for poor painting. In that case I cant blame them. Ive seen many people (plenty on Dakka) who seriously rip into anything that isnt Golden Demon quality. For some people that could ruin their whole day of gaming.

Well grey is the most dull boring colour you can get.

helium42 wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:The people that don't like painting/can't be bothered/too busy could at least spray the minis in one colour and wash them so they are not ugly grey/ metal. Maybe put a mark on the base to help distinguish which one is in which squad, is that really too much to ask?


(Image taken from albinoorks blog, check it out... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/353140.page)

Heck I actually think a green spray with a green wash, maybe with a little black would actually look quite good, like those classic plastic army men.

Because ugly green trumps ugly grey?

It's a WIP, check the thread FFS..

Mad4Minis wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Honestly I dont care for painting all that much, but I LOVE to build and convert. I see painting more as a necessary evil. I really hate painting multiples of the same mini, like you have to in "army" scale games like 40k. Probably why I have never actually finished a 40k sized army. Back when I was an active Battletech player I had about 120 mechs, no 2 painted the same.

Thats one big draw to WarmaHordes...low model count means not much painting. Also giving each warbeast a slightly different paint job allows you to tell them apart during the game.
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This is absolutely true. Painting for skirmish scale games is a lot more fun. It doesnt use up as much time, you can add more personal details to each model, and the army doesnt get repetitive. With say, a marine army you have 40 randos with boltguns to paint. A good skirmish game you might have a total 5 of the same type of guy.

MetalOxide wrote:Well grey is the most dull boring colour you can get.

hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Artistic expression. Bringing an idea to life.

I had an idea for a ork warboss on a jetbike. Took half a dozen kits and some creativity. But it came out great. And its on a shelf and will stay there for a long while.

Painting it wasnt the point. Building it was.

Platuan4th wrote:That would require that there are adults talking.

Your statement is just as childish as the assertion that painting is the "adult thing to do".

You're both essentially saying "I don't like you, I'm taking my toys and going home." Let's leave that attitude and behavior on the playground it belongs, ok, kid?

Nothing wrong with that. Someone with a self entitled "I don't have to paint if I don't want to" attitude is not someone worth wasting my time on.

Kaldor wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:That would require that there are adults talking.

Your statement is just as childish as the assertion that painting is the "adult thing to do".

You're both essentially saying "I don't like you, I'm taking my toys and going home." Let's leave that attitude and behavior on the playground it belongs, ok, kid?

Nothing wrong with that. Someone with a self entitled "I don't have to paint if I don't want to" attitude is not someone worth wasting my time on.

The reverse is also true.

brettz123 wrote:This kind of argument is always just so stupid. I could also knit a sweater too. So what? What does literally having the time have to do with anything? People have other things to do that are either more important ot them or more fun. So again what is your point?

He's saying that the "I don't have time to paint" argument is an excuse.

I happen to agree. I'd rather have someone tell me they just aren't interested. That's honest, whereas "no time" isn't reality for 99% of hobbyists.

Kaldor wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:That would require that there are adults talking.

Your statement is just as childish as the assertion that painting is the "adult thing to do".

You're both essentially saying "I don't like you, I'm taking my toys and going home." Let's leave that attitude and behavior on the playground it belongs, ok, kid?

Nothing wrong with that. Someone with a self entitled "I don't have to paint if I don't want to" attitude is not someone worth wasting my time on.

I think when you're at a point in your life that you value human beings based on their philosophy on how to paint toy soldiers, you've become a bit too invested in your hobby.

I haven't read this thread, but I'm guessing it's become the typical "you guys have fun in a slightly different way than I do? You're killing the hobby!"

Mad4Minis wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Honestly I dont care for painting all that much, but I LOVE to build and convert. I see painting more as a necessary evil. I really hate painting multiples of the same mini, like you have to in "army" scale games like 40k. Probably why I have never actually finished a 40k sized army. Back when I was an active Battletech player I had about 120 mechs, no 2 painted the same.

But I honestly don't get that attitude. An extensively converted model will be a hippy dippy mish mash of bare metal, grey plastic or resin and green stuff and just looks terrible. A quick squirt of black spray covers a multitude of sins. Please, if you're not prepared to paint them, at least meet us halfway here.

So, to get this straight.
These:


Look better than these in your eyes?

BrookM wrote:

helium42 wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:The people that don't like painting/can't be bothered/too busy could at least spray the minis in one colour and wash them so they are not ugly grey/ metal. Maybe put a mark on the base to help distinguish which one is in which squad, is that really too much to ask?


(Image taken from albinoorks blog, check it out... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/353140.page)

Heck I actually think a green spray with a green wash, maybe with a little black would actually look quite good, like those classic plastic army men.

Because ugly green trumps ugly grey?

It's a WIP, check the thread FFS..

Check this thread Brook. The poster was presenting that pic as an alternative to using grey plastic armies.


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Kaldor wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:That would require that there are adults talking.

Your statement is just as childish as the assertion that painting is the "adult thing to do".

You're both essentially saying "I don't like you, I'm taking my toys and going home." Let's leave that attitude and behavior on the playground it belongs, ok, kid?

Nothing wrong with that. Someone with a self entitled "I don't have to paint if I don't want to" attitude is not someone worth wasting my time on.

How exactly do you come to the conclusion that people who choose not to paint their armies have a self-entitled attitude?


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Grimtuff wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Honestly I dont care for painting all that much, but I LOVE to build and convert. I see painting more as a necessary evil. I really hate painting multiples of the same mini, like you have to in "army" scale games like 40k. Probably why I have never actually finished a 40k sized army. Back when I was an active Battletech player I had about 120 mechs, no 2 painted the same.

But I honestly don't get that attitude. An extensively converted model will be a hippy dippy mish mash of bare metal, grey plastic or resin and green stuff and just looks terrible. A quick squirt of black spray covers a multitude of sins. Please, if you're not prepared to paint them, at least meet us halfway here.

So, to get this straight.
These:

Spoiler:

Look better than these in your eyes?

Spoiler:

Comprehension fail Grimmy. The poster never said that an unpainted converted model looked better than a painted converted model.

Kaldor wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:That would require that there are adults talking.

Your statement is just as childish as the assertion that painting is the "adult thing to do".

You're both essentially saying "I don't like you, I'm taking my toys and going home." Let's leave that attitude and behavior on the playground it belongs, ok, kid?

Nothing wrong with that. Someone with a self entitled "I don't have to paint if I don't want to" attitude is not someone worth wasting my time on.

If I dont feel you are as cool/socially acceptable outside the game store as I am, then I dont want to waste my time on you. I have a hard time imagining someone who basis part of their value of other people by how/if they paint their mandollies is anything but a massive grognard.

Grimtuff wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Honestly I dont care for painting all that much, but I LOVE to build and convert. I see painting more as a necessary evil. I really hate painting multiples of the same mini, like you have to in "army" scale games like 40k. Probably why I have never actually finished a 40k sized army. Back when I was an active Battletech player I had about 120 mechs, no 2 painted the same.

But I honestly don't get that attitude. An extensively converted model will be a hippy dippy mish mash of bare metal, grey plastic or resin and green stuff and just looks terrible. A quick squirt of black spray covers a multitude of sins. Please, if you're not prepared to paint them, at least meet us halfway here.

So, to get this straight.
These:

Spoiler:

Look better than these in your eyes?

Spoiler:

Maybe he is ok with the first part, and feels thats all the work he wants to put in? I am sure that we all could agree that the kind of models that win golden demons, or are top rated on coolminiornot are absolutely stunning. I dont think most of us would be willing to put in the time/effort to paint our models like that though, same thing.

oI ImMoRTaL Io wrote:

Stoupe wrote:I have actually considered using being a paint snob as a way to say no to players at my flgs. I hang out and paint there all the time so I get a lot of "wanna play a game?" and it's hard to say no to some while yes to others. My empire is coming slow and being painted as I build it. My vc on the other hand is 3/4 painted (model count wise). Most of the people I play are the same way. I may start saying "is your army painted" to avoid the FOTM armies and the complete newbs who I don't know. I paint socially. I play to have fun. If I don't know you, then I don't wanna play with you. I've met too many douches in this hobby to play just anyone. Hang out with me first and paint with me! That's what the paint bar is for. Our paint bar is just crazy with humor and fun.

Can i have a romantic date please, this 'paint bar' sounds so cool. We could maybe have a little look and feel with one another models later in the night. Then when we are in the right mood we could bring in some games , but don't worry i wont introduce a third party into this relationship as it might be a step too far.

sorry had too , i see your point as you dont wanna play with people you dont like(but its not a case of here is my profile job....its more of just talking to others in a polite manner etc) but thats not really the argument (errr i meant discussion).

Oh and the whole you can prime/ wash and add 3 colours thing with ease..... now people with unpainted models dont want rubbish ones. Im sure if you play them often (friends/club mate) then paint them urself, im sure they would be happy for you to do it with a small charge(for the paint not a proper commission job). If you dont play them often, then its a 1 off....so dont play them if you dont want to... but it might be a case of play unpainted or dont play...thats your choice

Yes you may! Half the fun of our paint bar is gay chicken. Idk. I feel like if I can't joke around with you, playing you is more a chore than fun. To me the paint bar is more fun than the gaming table. I'd rather spend my time there and I hate painting.

Grimtuff wrote:
But I honestly don't get that attitude. An extensively converted model will be a hippy dippy mish mash of bare metal, grey plastic or resin and green stuff and just looks terrible. A quick squirt of black spray covers a multitude of sins.

Maybe you should learn to convert better. because while yours does, mine looks a hell of alot better then what you describe.

Stoupe wrote:
Yes you may! Half the fun of our paint bar is gay chicken. Idk. I feel like if I can't joke around with you, playing you is more a chore than fun. To me the paint bar is more fun than the gaming table. I'd rather spend my time there and I hate painting.

Homosexual Poultry...

Please explain.


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carmachu wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:
But I honestly don't get that attitude. An extensively converted model will be a hippy dippy mish mash of bare metal, grey plastic or resin and green stuff and just looks terrible. A quick squirt of black spray covers a multitude of sins.

Maybe you should learn to convert better. because while yours does, mine looks a hell of alot better then what you describe.

Ooooh. Someone pass me the Aloe Vera.

helium42 wrote:How exactly do you come to the conclusion that people who choose not to paint their armies have a self-entitled attitude?

I think it comes from believing that painting is an essential part of playing the game... so the people saying they don't have to are (if you look at it that way) just trying to make excuses as to why they shouldn't have to do something that 'everyone' (meaning 'all right thinking people') knows that they have to do.

I personally don't get why there are some people do some cool conversions only to not paint it.

insaniak wrote:

helium42 wrote:How exactly do you come to the conclusion that people who choose not to paint their armies have a self-entitled attitude?

I think it comes from believing that painting is an essential part of playing the game... so the people saying they don't have to are (if you look at it that way) just trying to make excuses as to why they shouldn't have to do something that 'everyone' (meaning 'all right thinking people') knows that they have to do.

I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be. Then you have the guys who will never paint ANYTHING. I used to live with a guy like that who would say he had no time. The guy had no job and would just play Xbox/watch TV all day. You can easily multitask and do a spot of painting whilst watching TV or a movie. The latter is one of the better options for me, stick on a film that fits the mood and/or you've seen loads of times before so can half watch it very easily and paint away.


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MetalOxide wrote:I personally don't get why there are some people do some cool conversions only to not paint it.

Neither do I, for the reasons I posted earlier. So many conversions look a lot better in my eyes after you've sprayed them, hell there are even bits you may have missed when they were unpainted that only became apparent after you undercoated it. It just seems like the thing to do rather than half arse it.

Grimtuff wrote:I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be.

Why does anyone have to 'show' that they are making progress?

Grimtuff wrote:

insaniak wrote:

helium42 wrote:How exactly do you come to the conclusion that people who choose not to paint their armies have a self-entitled attitude?

I think it comes from believing that painting is an essential part of playing the game... so the people saying they don't have to are (if you look at it that way) just trying to make excuses as to why they shouldn't have to do something that 'everyone' (meaning 'all right thinking people') knows that they have to do.

I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be. Then you have the guys who will never paint ANYTHING. I used to live with a guy like that who would say he had no time. The guy had no job and would just play Xbox/watch TV all day. You can easily multitask and do a spot of painting whilst watching TV or a movie. The latter is one of the better options for me, stick on a film that fits the mood and/or you've seen loads of times before so can half watch it very easily and paint away.

You are absolutley spot on! If somebody finds painting a chore, then just whack on some music, or an audio book, it really does help!

insaniak wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be.

Why does anyone have to 'show' that they are making progress?

Because it shows you're not some lazy goit that is prepared to paint their models?

But why should they have to? Why should they have to enjoy the hobby the same way you do?

Grimtuff wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be.

Why does anyone have to 'show' that they are making progress?

Because it shows you're not some lazy goit that is prepared to paint their models?

Why does it matter?

some confused guy wrote:You are absolutley spot on! If somebody finds painting a chore, then just whack on some music, or an audio book, it really does help!

Or how about, if somebody finds painting a chore, they don't paint? /newsflash

Grimtuff wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be.

Why does anyone have to 'show' that they are making progress?

Because it shows you're not some lazy goit that is prepared to paint their models?

Who cares? Its mandollies. Congrats, you feel someone is lazy for not applying layers of paint to overpriced plastic toys. Serious question time; Is your social life built around gaming?

Grimtuff wrote:Because it shows you're not some lazy goit that is prepared to paint their models?

And why is it important to show that? Who is the arbiter here?

This is the problem with what is being suggested in this thread. A bunch of people have apparently decided that if you don't participate in the hobby their way, then you're doing it wrong, and now we have the suggestion that there is some sort of 'rating standard' that you have to pass in order to be participating in the hobby.

Can you honestly not see how that is just a little bit crazy?

If someone is not interested in painting and just wants to play a wargame, who the hell are any of us to tell them they can't, or to look down on them because they don't enjoy something that we do?

Eidolon wrote:But why should they have to? Why should they have to enjoy the hobby the same way you do?

I'm not saying they have to. But the vast majority of "permanent grey hordes" players I've come across are nothing short of lethargic that hang around the local GW all day then play Xbox/watch TV by night yet claim they have no time to paint their armies.

I'll play whoever, but I'll give preference to a painted army over an unpainted one.

Eidolon wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be.

Why does anyone have to 'show' that they are making progress?

Because it shows you're not some lazy goit that is prepared to paint their models?

Who cares? Its mandollies. Congrats, you feel someone is lazy for not applying layers of paint to overpriced plastic toys. Serious question time; Is your social life built around gaming?

I paint my armies but I know my social life isn't built round 40k.

Grimtuff wrote:

Eidolon wrote:But why should they have to? Why should they have to enjoy the hobby the same way you do?

I'm not saying they have to. But the vast majority of "permanent grey hordes" players I've come across are nothing short of lethargic that hang around the local GW all day then play Xbox/watch TV by night yet claim they have no time to paint their armies.

I'll play whoever, but I'll give preference to a painted army over an unpainted one.

Really? Whats hanging around the local gw all day? 7 days a week? Just saturday and sunday? I find it hard to believe there are people, who arent teenagers on summer break, who spend all day at the game store and all night playing video games.

MetalOxide wrote:

Eidolon wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be.

Why does anyone have to 'show' that they are making progress?

Because it shows you're not some lazy goit that is prepared to paint their models?

Who cares? Its mandollies. Congrats, you feel someone is lazy for not applying layers of paint to overpriced plastic toys. Serious question time; Is your social life built around gaming?

I paint my armies but I know my social life isn't built round 40k.

Likewise, I have gaming friends and non gaming friends. If one were to draw a Venn diagram sometimes these groups cross over. I'll admit, my personal interest in painting waxes and wanes. I can go through a massive splurge of painting stuff (incidentally just like now where I've conveniently had a fortnight off work) then I can go for months without painting anything. It's just these "models to paint" and "muse to paint" has to align at the right time.