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2012/06/26 16:10:57
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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so if Power Weapons follow the same principles as Force Weapons, we can just model them however we want and use those rules? 'cos that's kinda funky, I can see myself doing a few Power Axe/Power Spear conversions
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2012/06/26 16:11:17
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Yeah, but folks have been talking about people talking an extra HQ and the slots it gives in sub 2000pt lists, which seemed a bit 'working the system' but GW obviously thought of that..
But I do't need 8 Space Wolf HQs! 
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2012/06/26 16:13:35
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Jervis Johnson
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Yeah, but folks have been talking about people talking an extra HQ and the slots it gives in sub 2000pt lists, which seemed a bit 'working the system' but GW obviously thought of that..
Thought of that how? Any old army list that already used to take 2 HQ and 3 Troops simply gets to add one extra Elites, Fast Attack and Heavy Support slots in their single FoC if they ally with themselves.
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2012/06/26 16:13:44
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
South Chicago burbs
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Anpu42 wrote:Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Yeah, but folks have been talking about people talking an extra HQ and the slots it gives in sub 2000pt lists, which seemed a bit 'working the system' but GW obviously thought of that..
But I do't need 8 Space Wolf HQs!
Exactly!
2 FOC at less than 2000 points would have been a WAAC wet dream.
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2012/06/26 16:14:34
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Charax wrote:so if Power Weapons follow the same principles as Force Weapons, we can just model them however we want and use those rules? 'cos that's kinda funky, I can see myself doing a few Power Axe/Power Spear conversions
If you are cool with modelling for advantage, go for it. 
But in all seriousness, isn't that exactly what GW are promoting with these rules? Automatically Appended Next Post: Therion wrote:Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Yeah, but folks have been talking about people talking an extra HQ and the slots it gives in sub 2000pt lists, which seemed a bit 'working the system' but GW obviously thought of that..
Thought of that how? Any old army list that already used to take 2 HQ and 3 Troops simply gets to add one extra Elites, Fast Attack and Heavy Support slots in their single FoC if they ally with themselves.
But they aren't allowed to ally with themselves in accordance with the ally rules for 6th edition.
I've asked before, PLEASE will you stop spreading misinformation about the new rules, I would really appreciate it.
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Interceptor Drones can disembark at any point during the Sun Shark's move (even though models cannot normally disembark from Zooming Flyers).
-Jeremy Vetock, only man at Games Workshop who understands Zooming Flyers |
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2012/06/26 16:18:10
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Jervis Johnson
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Drunkspleen wrote:
I've asked before, PLEASE will you stop spreading misinformation about the new rules, I would really appreciate it.
I'm discussing the rumours. You're trolling. The persisting rumour is that you can ally with your own faction. If you can confirm otherwise do it with a rulebook scan. Otherwise just stop derailing the thread.
Besides, allying with your own faction isn't in any way more imbalanced than allying with another faction. In fact much less so.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2012/06/26 16:20:10
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2012/06/26 16:19:59
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
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>>Charax
we can just model them however we want and use those rules?
It seems that way, I suppose it depends on the codex.
If it says for example that your sarge can take a Power/Force 'weapon', then I'm assuming you can pick from the three.
Looks like I'm gonna have to give my Hekatrix a spear from the Raider kit for termies....
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2012/06/26 16:21:39
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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[DCM]
Coastal Bliss in the Shadow of Sizewell
Suffolk, where the Aliens roam.
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Aye I'll admit my assumption that you can't ally with your own faction is based on the page scan from 6th on the previous page, which has nothing marked for the cross over for their own faction.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/06/26 16:22:03
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
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2012/06/26 16:21:55
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Been Around the Block
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Therion wrote:Drunkspleen wrote:
I've asked before, PLEASE will you stop spreading misinformation about the new rules, I would really appreciate it.
I'm discussing the rumours. You're trolling. The persisting rumour is that you can ally with your own faction. If you can confirm otherwise do it with a rulebook scan. Otherwise just stop derailing the thread.
The allies matrix has in fact been posted, in this thread no less. go fetch.
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2012/06/26 16:22:10
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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BarBoBot wrote:Anpu42 wrote:Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Yeah, but folks have been talking about people talking an extra HQ and the slots it gives in sub 2000pt lists, which seemed a bit 'working the system' but GW obviously thought of that..
But I do't need 8 Space Wolf HQs!
Exactly!
2 FOC at less than 2000 points would have been a WAAC wet dream.
Actually I think this is sort of what they are going for. I have the ability to field 8+ Space Wolf HQs model wise, but I would need 1,600 points to field all of the Characters as most of them sit around 200 points.
So a 2,000 point Space Wolf List could look like this
1. Logan
2. Njal
3. Björn
4. Ragnar + 2 Wolves
5. Ulric
6. Wolf Lord + 2 Wolves
7. Rune Priest
8. Wolf Pries
9. Grey Hunter Pack
10. Grey Hunter Pack
That’s 31 models total!
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2012/06/26 16:22:15
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Therion wrote:I'm discussing the rumours. You're trolling. The persisting rumour is that you can ally with your own faction. If you can confirm otherwise do it with a rulebook scan. Otherwise just stop derailing the thread.
Besides, allying with your own faction isn't in any way more imbalanced than allying with another faction. In fact much less so.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3270/456706.page#4447214
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Interceptor Drones can disembark at any point during the Sun Shark's move (even though models cannot normally disembark from Zooming Flyers).
-Jeremy Vetock, only man at Games Workshop who understands Zooming Flyers |
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2012/06/26 16:22:45
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Drunkspleen wrote:Charax wrote:so if Power Weapons follow the same principles as Force Weapons, we can just model them however we want and use those rules? 'cos that's kinda funky, I can see myself doing a few Power Axe/Power Spear conversions
If you are cool with modelling for advantage, go for it.
But in all seriousness, isn't that exactly what GW are promoting with these rules?
If each variant of a Power Weapon isn't balanced against each other variant of a Power Weapon, that's surely the fault of the designers. If the rules let you freely choose between option X and option Y for no extra points, then X and Y need to be equal, otherwise you're just inviting the abandonment of option Y over option X.
You know what might be cool? Howling Banshee squads modelled to be carrying spears.
Anyway, this is all contingent on being able to freely choose between them, the rulebook/ FAQs may have something to say about that (although I doubt it, as the Chaos lord hadan Axe in the batrep, and the Spanish chaos FAQs are missing, which doesn't bode well for an update before the new chaos dex)
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2012/06/26 16:25:22
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Didn't the clip say if it isn't clearly one of the three, it is a sword?
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2012/06/26 16:28:05
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Jervis Johnson
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Drunkspleen wrote:Therion wrote:I'm discussing the rumours. You're trolling. The persisting rumour is that you can ally with your own faction. If you can confirm otherwise do it with a rulebook scan. Otherwise just stop derailing the thread.
Besides, allying with your own faction isn't in any way more imbalanced than allying with another faction. In fact much less so.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3270/456706.page#4447214
I've seen that, and untill we see the rest of the allies rules we can only make assumptions. We've heard conflicting rumours both ways from supposedly reliable sources holding the rulebook. I'm still confused what your issue is with people discussing rumours that may or may not pan out to be true in a thread dedicated to discussing rumours.
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2012/06/26 16:30:11
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Foxy Wildborne
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Never mind, he just won't let himself be wrong, lol. Off to the ignore list.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. |
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2012/06/26 16:32:39
Subject: Re:6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ovion wrote:Joey wrote:Maige wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
Nearly all of those icons are completely arbitrary. Is there a text version?
Allies in Text:
It's hilarious that we're supposed to believe that Space Marines find it easier to ally with Tau then Sisters of Battle. Xenos or the pious servants of the Emperor? Hmmm clearly the Astartes pick Xenos! Lord knows what GW is thinking with this gak.
And Daemons and Imperial Guard or Orks fighting side by side? Really?
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My Armies:
5,500pts 
2,700pts 
2,000pts 
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2012/06/26 16:38:10
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
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Pretre:
Didn't the clip say if it isn't clearly one of the three, it is a sword?
Any 'unusual' or 'unique' Force/Power CCWs are treated as a sword (AP3) plus whatever specific rules they have.
So a Nemesis Force Halberd will not be treated like a 'Force Axe' but rather an AP3 Force weapon with the +2Initiative and Nemesis.
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In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only ward. |
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2012/06/26 16:40:45
Subject: Re:6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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It's hilarious that we're supposed to believe that Space Marines find it easier to ally with Tau then Sisters of Battle. Xenos or the pious servants of the Emperor? Hmmm clearly the Astartes pick Xenos! Lord knows what GW is thinking with this gak.
i can see it from a certain perspective,
Tau: Ultramarine commander, our forces are here at your most dire time of need to stem the oncoming Tyrant FLeet from breaching your sanctum, and destroying McCragge. we are at your disposal and will do what ever it takes to see this battle come to a glorius victory for you and yours.
SOB: Prepare to viral bomb McCragge into nothing ness on my mark........
Ultramarine Commander: ummmmmmm, were going with this other guy.
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2012/06/26 16:41:45
Subject: Re:6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Mutating Changebringer
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Rapid Fire weapons can now fire at target 24" away irregardless of moving or not.
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2012/06/26 16:43:08
Subject: Re:6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Scuttling Genestealer
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Any word yet if flying MC can vector strike a flyer if they go "over" it or assault them period?
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2012/06/26 16:43:46
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's hilarious that we're supposed to believe that Space Marines find it easier to ally with Tau then Sisters of Battle. Xenos or the pious servants of the Emperor? Hmmm clearly the Astartes pick Xenos! Lord knows what GW is thinking with this gak.
The sisters are all 'burn!' and 'repent', the tau are like a tropical race of pot smoking buddhists...
When you've got to babysit an objective for months waiting for a drop ship to come resupply an outpost, who would you rather be hanging out with - a feminist nun motivated by a fanatical hatred, or a bunch of chillaxed fire warriors having krootox races for the greater good?
Edit: Ninja'd!
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2012/06/26 16:45:16
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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BarBoBot wrote:So tau are battle brothers with space marines...
And apparently the SoB like the Space Wolves more than Black Templars...
Who the warp wrote this? Looks almost completely arbitrary.
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2012/06/26 16:47:36
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Freaky Flayed One
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Maige wrote:Pretre:
Didn't the clip say if it isn't clearly one of the three, it is a sword?
Any 'unusual' or 'unique' CCWs are treated as a sword (AP3) plus whatever specific rules they have.
So a Nemesis Force Halberd will not be treated like a 'Force Axe' but rather an AP3 Force weapon with the +2Initiative and Nemesis.
what about things like Voidblades or Gauntlets of Fire? it'd be nice for these to see some more use
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2012/06/26 16:47:37
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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I'm guessing doctrinal differences between BT and SoB make for some problems.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Interesting. My battle conclave may get a mix of swords, axes and mauls now.
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2012/06/26 16:48:57
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Screaming Shining Spear
NeoGliwice III
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junk wrote:It's hilarious that we're supposed to believe that Space Marines find it easier to ally with Tau then Sisters of Battle. Xenos or the pious servants of the Emperor? Hmmm clearly the Astartes pick Xenos! Lord knows what GW is thinking with this gak.
The sisters are all 'burn!' and 'repent', the tau are like a tropical race of pot smoking buddhists...
When you've got to babysit an objective for months waiting for a drop ship to come resupply an outpost, who would you rather be hanging out with - a feminist nun motivated by a fanatical hatred, or a bunch of chillaxed fire warriors having krootox races for the greater good?
Edit: Ninja'd!
Isn't it rumoured that Ultramarines will be "the bestest friends forever, love and kisses" with Tau? It was something about taking them under their personal protection.
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Good things are good,.. so it's good
Keep our city clean.
Report your death to the Department of Expiration
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2012/06/26 16:50:07
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Not arbitrary. IoM gets quite a bit of favoritism, while several Xenos get varying levels of bad.
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2012/06/26 16:50:38
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Lynata wrote:BarBoBot wrote:So tau are battle brothers with space marines...
And apparently the SoB like the Space Wolves more than Black Templars...
Who the warp wrote this? Looks almost completely arbitrary.
You can't see where the problems with the Sisters of Battle and Black Templars would come up?
The Sisters of Battle are very much of the opinion that the Ecclesiarchy is the ruling body of the Imperium, speaking the Emperor's Will directly.
The Black Templars are very much of the opinion that the Emperor has already made his will known, and anyone claiming to speak for him now is full of it.
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2012/06/26 16:51:19
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Macok wrote:junk wrote:It's hilarious that we're supposed to believe that Space Marines find it easier to ally with Tau then Sisters of Battle. Xenos or the pious servants of the Emperor? Hmmm clearly the Astartes pick Xenos! Lord knows what GW is thinking with this gak.
The sisters are all 'burn!' and 'repent', the tau are like a tropical race of pot smoking buddhists...
When you've got to babysit an objective for months waiting for a drop ship to come resupply an outpost, who would you rather be hanging out with - a feminist nun motivated by a fanatical hatred, or a bunch of chillaxed fire warriors having krootox races for the greater good?
Edit: Ninja'd!
Isn't it rumoured that Ultramarines will be "the bestest friends forever, love and kisses" with Tau? It was something about taking them under their personal protection.
I had heard but dismissed that rumor out of hand as just bad fan spank.
Now I see the error: I forgot the amount of fan spank that GW writers are allowed to get away with.
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2012/06/26 16:51:21
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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well, Marines are all technically heretics, as they revere the Emperor not as a God, but as their father, so I can see why that would cause some friction with the Sororitas.
but really, more friction than with the Tau? yeesh
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2012/06/26 16:52:11
Subject: 6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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pretre wrote:I'm guessing doctrinal differences between BT and SoB make for some problems.
And the SW don't?
Black Templars: fanatic hardliners who hate psykers and have a history of joint operations together with the Sisters (Vinculus Crusade? Armageddon 3?)
Space Wolves: mutant heretics who kill Ecclesiarcly clerics for fun and only recently fought a bloody war against a Sororitas punitive expedition
I think someone at GW doesn't like reading up on faction history.
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