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Ignus wrote:I voted for russ. A warrior with honor, fury, and unquenchable rage, flying around the galaxy kicking ass with a noble band of warriors who value individual honor and a sense of uniqueness and brotherhood.

Russ is simply the most vicious, among the most loyal, and among the most honorable of all the primarchs.

One vote for Rowboat Girlyman. Wardian fluff aside, it is not the best soldier who will win the war...it is the commander who can manuever unwinnable odds against the best soldier.

Though, if we are comparing primarchs on a rather...diminished scale of fighting, I gotta say Dorn. Russ, while definitely vying for the title, likes his liquid courage too much.

"Do not ask me to approach the battle meekly, to creep through the shadows, or to approach my foes quietly in the dark. I am Rogal Dorn. Imperial Fist. Space marine. Emperor's Champion. Let my enemy's cower at the thunder of my advance and tremble at the sight of me."

Ignus wrote:A warrior with honor, fury, and unquenchable rage

A drunk with meat,dogs and an unquenchable thirst for ale-Emperor's own words


I voted for him too.I voted for them all except Manus and Girlyman.

The Unknown one?! Because he was so awesome everyone ganged up on him and killed him because he was better than everyone else?

The was 2 unknown ones,''the Purged and the Forgotten''

Void__Dragon wrote:A few other Primarchs are still alive.

Guilliman, Jaghatai Khan, Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn (contested), Vulkan, Corax

Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, Alpharius/Omegon (one is alive, but we don't know which)

^Most are still alive


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SOFDC wrote:One vote for Rowboat Girlyman. Wardian fluff aside, it is not the best soldier who will win the war...it is the commander who can manuever unwinnable odds against the best soldier.

Though, if we are comparing primarchs on a rather...diminished scale of fighting, I gotta say Dorn. Russ, while definitely vying for the title, likes his liquid courage too much.

"Do not ask me to approach the battle meekly, to creep through the shadows, or to approach my foes quietly in the dark. I am Rogal Dorn. Imperial Fist. Space marine. Emperor's Champion. Let my enemy's cower at the thunder of my advance and tremble at the sight of me."

Plus he's gold

Did anyone else notice the typo in the poll? Russ was mistakenly labeled "Loyal."

Anyway, my favorite is Magnus, the favored son who warned the Emperor of Horus' betrayal and nearly had his legion wiped out by an unruly mutt.

I don't understand the love for Sanguinius. He was barely a speedbump between Horus and the Imperial Palace. Obviously one of the weakest Primarchs.

biccat wrote:Did anyone else notice the typo in the poll? Russ was mistakenly labeled "Loyal."

Anyway, my favorite is Magnus, the favored son who warned the Emperor of Horus' betrayal and nearly had his legion wiped out by an unruly mutt.

I don't understand the love for Sanguinius. He was barely a speedbump between Horus and the Imperial Palace. Obviously one of the weakest Primarchs.

/troll

He could have beaten any two primarchs normally, but he was enormously wounded by a Bloodletter, and then faced a Primarch possessed by FOUR GODS PERSONALLY.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:A few other Primarchs are still alive.

Guilliman, Jaghatai Khan, Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn (contested), Vulkan, Corax

Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, Alpharius/Omegon (one is alive, but we don't know which)

^Most are still alive

Guilliman isn't alive. Only the most deluded and fanatical Zealots believe he is healing.

He is alive, stuck in a permanent state of near death due to being placed in a stasis field. There wouldn't be a legend that says he's 'healing' if he were already dead.

coolyo294 wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:A few other Primarchs are still alive.

Guilliman, Jaghatai Khan, Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn (contested), Vulkan, Corax

Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, Alpharius/Omegon (one is alive, but we don't know which)

^Most are still alive

Guilliman isn't alive. Only the most deluded and fanatical Zealots believe he is healing.

I don't believe the healing thing, but he is NOT dead or he wouldn't be in stasis. Learn the facts.

im2randomghgh wrote:

biccat wrote:Did anyone else notice the typo in the poll? Russ was mistakenly labeled "Loyal."

Anyway, my favorite is Magnus, the favored son who warned the Emperor of Horus' betrayal and nearly had his legion wiped out by an unruly mutt.

I don't understand the love for Sanguinius. He was barely a speedbump between Horus and the Imperial Palace. Obviously one of the weakest Primarchs.

/troll

He could have beaten any two primarchs normally, but he was enormously wounded by a Bloodletter, and then faced a Primarch possessed by FOUR GODS PERSONALLY.

Any two? Source or are you just making that up so you have an argument? Not sure where you got the part about Horus from. Empowered by the Gods yes, but not personally corrupted by all four at once, that's just ludicrous.

Yes Gulliman is alive, he was alive when put in stasis. The question is whether he's healing and this simply can't happen in a stasis field... as far as we know... OOOooooOOOOoooooooo...

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

biccat wrote:Did anyone else notice the typo in the poll? Russ was mistakenly labeled "Loyal."

Anyway, my favorite is Magnus, the favored son who warned the Emperor of Horus' betrayal and nearly had his legion wiped out by an unruly mutt.

I don't understand the love for Sanguinius. He was barely a speedbump between Horus and the Imperial Palace. Obviously one of the weakest Primarchs.

/troll

He could have beaten any two primarchs normally, but he was enormously wounded by a Bloodletter, and then faced a Primarch possessed by FOUR GODS PERSONALLY.

Any two? Source or are you just making that up so you have an argument? Not sure where you got the part about Horus from. Empowered by the Gods yes, but not personally corrupted by all four at once, that's just ludicrous.

He actually was. Otherwise Empy would have did his usual auto-win BS. They weren't holding anything back, the Emperor was the only threat to their existence, and they REALLY wanted to end him, but couldn't cuz dey is weak.

im2randomghgh wrote:He could have beaten any two primarchs normally

You are telling me he could have taken on Horus(Pre heresy) and Angron(pre heresy of coarse)?YOU are trolling!

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

biccat wrote:Did anyone else notice the typo in the poll? Russ was mistakenly labeled "Loyal."

Anyway, my favorite is Magnus, the favored son who warned the Emperor of Horus' betrayal and nearly had his legion wiped out by an unruly mutt.

I don't understand the love for Sanguinius. He was barely a speedbump between Horus and the Imperial Palace. Obviously one of the weakest Primarchs.

/troll

He could have beaten any two primarchs normally, but he was enormously wounded by a Bloodletter, and then faced a Primarch possessed by FOUR GODS PERSONALLY.

Any two? Source or are you just making that up so you have an argument? Not sure where you got the part about Horus from. Empowered by the Gods yes, but not personally corrupted by all four at once, that's just ludicrous.

He actually was. Otherwise Empy would have did his usual auto-win BS. They weren't holding anything back, the Emperor was the only threat to their existence, and they REALLY wanted to end him, but couldn't cuz dey is weak.

He was greatly empowered, not possessed, unless you can provide a SOURCE for it. The Emperor could have wtfpwned Horus in an instant, he was holding back because he hoped Horus could be redeemed. When Horus killed that random Imperial Fists guy or whoever it was, the Emperor knew there was no way back, so obliterated Horus.

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

biccat wrote:Did anyone else notice the typo in the poll? Russ was mistakenly labeled "Loyal."

Anyway, my favorite is Magnus, the favored son who warned the Emperor of Horus' betrayal and nearly had his legion wiped out by an unruly mutt.

I don't understand the love for Sanguinius. He was barely a speedbump between Horus and the Imperial Palace. Obviously one of the weakest Primarchs.

/troll

He could have beaten any two primarchs normally, but he was enormously wounded by a Bloodletter, and then faced a Primarch possessed by FOUR GODS PERSONALLY.

Any two? Source or are you just making that up so you have an argument? Not sure where you got the part about Horus from. Empowered by the Gods yes, but not personally corrupted by all four at once, that's just ludicrous.

He actually was. Otherwise Empy would have did his usual auto-win BS. They weren't holding anything back, the Emperor was the only threat to their existence, and they REALLY wanted to end him, but couldn't cuz dey is weak.

He was greatly empowered, not possessed, unless you can provide a SOURCE for it. The Emperor could have wtfpwned Horus in an instant, he was holding back because he hoped Horus could be redeemed. When Horus killed that random Imperial Fists guy or whoever it was, the Emperor knew there was no way back, so obliterated Horus.

Before Horus died, he begged forgiveness, because he was un-corrupted at the last second, but the Emperor still killed him because in order to be corrupted, one must already be wicked at heart.

Warhammer 40k wiki wrote: The Emperor eventually managed to make his way to the Battle Barge's bridge. Though the Emperor was a being of unfathomable psychic and physical might, Horus had become a being of monstrous might, bloated with the combined powers of all four Chaos Gods

Two things. Firstly, that's from a wiki, which would be fine if you give me the source it gives for that quote.
More importantly, that doesn't say he was possessed.

iproxtaco wrote:Two things. Firstly, that's from a wiki, which would be fine if you give me the source it gives for that quote.
More importantly, that doesn't say he was possessed.

The COMBINED POWERS of the chaos gods, not some powers of all chaos gods.

Still doesn't say he was possessed. Gifted immense power, but not possessed by all the power of the Chaos Gods, that's ludicrous, use some common sense. If he were possessed by all four Chaos Gods at once he would the most powerful being to ever exist, and it would mean the Chaos Gods had managed to physically enter the material world. The entire Horus Heresy deserved but a flicker of their attentions, they certainly didn't pour all their power into one being.

If they managed to pour all their power into Horus,he would have been completely and utterly obliterated,along with eveyone on board that ship.Slaanesh,the weakest god,managed to best Khaine in a fight,so I don't think a primarch could contain all 4 of them.

iproxtaco wrote:Still doesn't say he was possessed. Gifted immense power, but not possessed by all the power of the Chaos Gods, that's ludicrous, use some common sense. If he were possessed by all four Chaos Gods at once he would the most powerful being to ever exist, and it would mean the Chaos Gods had managed to physically enter the material world. The entire Horus Heresy deserved but a flicker of their attentions, they certainly didn't pour all their power into one being.

Flicker of their attention? It was a desperate last chance because they were ceasing to exist due to the Emperor. Every ounce of their attention was focused exclusively on this. The Emperor almost destroyed chaos.

And he was. The repenting was because he had just ceased to be possessed at the end of the fight. The reason the Emperor was wounded was because he was fighting four gods and a demi god. He only won because of the hole Sanguinius made in Horus' armour.

Also, their fight was described as "Mental, physical, and psychic". Horus wasn't psychic. The gods ARE.

All the power of Chaos was within the Warmaster aboard the Vengeful Spirit.

That's why the battle below, on the surface of Terra, was decide as soon as the Emperor won. Because the daemons were insta-banished, and the CA were in disarray, because they no longer had chaos helping them, and the overwhelming odds caught up with them. The only thing that could ever have won them the battle at that point would have been Malcador dying before the Emperor could be placed upon the throne.


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Deadshot wrote:If they managed to pour all their power into Horus,he would have been completely and utterly obliterated,along with eveyone on board that ship.Slaanesh,the weakest god,managed to best Khaine in a fight,so I don't think a primarch could contain all 4 of them.

At the time, Slaanesh was bloated with the power of just about every single other god of the Eldar Pantheon, plus without spirit stones he could nom nom nom on the souls of Eldar, including the 2/3 of the Eldar species that died.

Still,that was impressive.

Deadshot wrote:Still,that was impressive.

Tru.

I still prefer Sanguinius!

Lord of Baal wrote:I still prefer Sanguinius!

Same.

Sanguinius and Dorn.

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Lord of Caliban wrote:Yes, Rogal Dorn is pretty cool, he saved the Emperor. Sorta.

Not just sorta, when you think of the fact the loyalists BARELY survived despite his fortification of the Imperial Palace.

iproxtaco wrote:Still doesn't say he was possessed. Gifted immense power, but not possessed by all the power of the Chaos Gods, that's ludicrous, use some common sense. If he were possessed by all four Chaos Gods at once he would the most powerful being to ever exist, and it would mean the Chaos Gods had managed to physically enter the material world. The entire Horus Heresy deserved but a flicker of their attentions, they certainly didn't pour all their power into one being.

A flicker of their attentions?

They feared the Emperor, and were jealous of the power he was gaining. The Gods don't unite unless there is something that seriously poses a threat to them. Though it is true that Horus did not literally have the full power of Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, and Tzeentch at his disposal.

And the idea that the Emperor could have effortlessly beaten Horus at any time is quite frankly a lie propagated by Emperor fanboys, were the gap so large the Emperor could have easily restrained Horus. But he could not, to defeat Horus required the Emperor's full power, and what most ignore is that Horus could have killed the Emperor, but held back, hesitating from delivering the fatal blow that would have ended his father.

Edit: Though, Sanguinius frankly is kind of overrated. I have seen nothing that suggests he is the strongest Primarch, much less that he could have beaten any two at once. Hell, Corax only thinks Sanguinius could "maybe" best Angron in physical combat.