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The difference is that dodging a bullet seems to say that you are seeing the bullet flying and dodging it (neo style) when you dodge a gunshot, your not seeing the bullet, but dodging the path you think it will take. It's acadamic but that's how I like to see it XD

Anyway, aren't bolts slower then regular bullets? So this would make it easier.

I'd put The Master Chief ahead of any marine then.

Btw, anyone here watch red vs blue? New season started and the 2nd episode has some awesome animated action!

http://roosterteeth.com/archive/?id=3355&v=more

Soladrin wrote:The difference is that dodging a bullet seems to say that you are seeing the bullet flying and dodging it (neo style) when you dodge a gunshot, your not seeing the bullet, but dodging the path you think it will take. It's acadamic but that's how I like to see it XD

Anyway, aren't bolts slower then regular bullets? So this would make it easier.

There's still not a huge difference, or one that matters. It's pretty over the top I admit, but the evidence is there, and I won't argue with it, preferring the SPARTANS over the Space Marines.

Edit: Thanks for the heads up! I forgot about RvB completely.

iproxtaco wrote:Well, I would guess because it says so in the book. The gun fired, John sidestepped, thus John sidestepped after it fired.
Stop trying to take meanings from something that aren't there to try and argue a point that has been clarified.

Actually, that's not at all what your quote said. It doesn't say "after the gun fired" it says "as the gun fired", so it happened simultaneously. He's not faster than sound, he anticipated the action. It doesn't make his feat any less impressive, but he's not supersonic no matter how much you like the game. But thank you for admitting your bias.

not at all,

Bolt rounds actually get faster as they go.

When fired, they are at normal bullet speeds.

but as they have a rocket inside them, they actually increase in speed and power as they go(untill the rocket burns out and they then begin to decelerate)






as to my earlier point,


40k is far more realistic then other science fiction. many weapons are still based on chemical reactions to propel a solid or explosive round forward.

They also seem to have more respect for the laws of physics then usual. they use some existing scientific theories to allow for their equipment to work(Magnetic Envelope theory for plasma weaponry)

Grey Templar wrote:
40k is far more realistic then other science fiction. many weapons are still based on chemical reactions to propel a solid or explosive round forward.

They also seem to have more respect for the laws of physics then usual. they use some existing scientific theories to allow for their equipment to work(Magnetic Envelope theory for plasma weaponry)

I'd rate Halo as more realistic than Draigo strutting through the Warp, smacking daemons in the face.

Yeah, Halo does the same for all the tech.

Good example:

At one point MC and cortana highjack a covenant flag ship (they vented the entire atmosphere). And after some nuzzling around cortana actually discovers the plasma weapons on the ship aren't operating as well as they can, and by tweaking the magnetic fields creates more of guided plasma laser as opposed to the slower homing plasma blasts they used to be.

All the human weapons are pretty much the same as current age weapons. With the exception of the Spartan Laser, though it's pretty much just the epitome of a Chemical Laser.

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
40k is far more realistic then other science fiction. many weapons are still based on chemical reactions to propel a solid or explosive round forward.

They also seem to have more respect for the laws of physics then usual. they use some existing scientific theories to allow for their equipment to work(Magnetic Envelope theory for plasma weaponry)

I'd rate Halo as more realistic than Draigo strutting through the Warp, smacking daemons in the face.

As opposed to running around in 10000 year old artifacts killing parasites with a plasma weapon confiscated from an elite

Actually more like 250.000 year old

And not laser, but plasma weapon.

Soladrin wrote:Actually more like 250.000 year old

And not laser, but plasma weapon.

It's been a few years, but still my point stands as to the 'realism'

Wardragoon wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
40k is far more realistic then other science fiction. many weapons are still based on chemical reactions to propel a solid or explosive round forward.

They also seem to have more respect for the laws of physics then usual. they use some existing scientific theories to allow for their equipment to work(Magnetic Envelope theory for plasma weaponry)

I'd rate Halo as more realistic than Draigo strutting through the Warp, smacking daemons in the face.

As opposed to running around in 10000 year old artifacts killing parasites with a plasma weapon confiscated from an elite

Regardless, Halo is closer to science fiction, and 40k is closer to science fantasy.

Meh they are both scifi until we either run into Eldar or the Covenant

Btw, everyone watch the video I posted, regardless if you like Halo, it's funny, and awesome.

Valkyrie wrote:

12 pages in, a little bit late.


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Omegus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Well, I would guess because it says so in the book. The gun fired, John sidestepped, thus John sidestepped after it fired.
Stop trying to take meanings from something that aren't there to try and argue a point that has been clarified.

Actually, that's not at all what your quote said. It doesn't say "after the gun fired" it says "as the gun fired", so it happened simultaneously. He's not faster than sound, he anticipated the action. It doesn't make his feat any less impressive, but he's not supersonic no matter how much you like the game. But thank you for admitting your bias.

Of course he's going to anticipate it, but he moves after the shot is fired. It takes phenomenal strength and reflexes to dodge that shot.
I see no point in denying an obvious bias. I prefer 40k from a pure fluff perspective, it has greater variety and there's more than one story-line. I prefer Halo for it's more realistic approach to many areas, the SPARTANS being the primary aspect of this.

Grey Templar wrote:not at all,

Bolt rounds actually get faster as they go.

When fired, they are at normal bullet speeds.

but as they have a rocket inside them, they actually increase in speed and power as they go(untill the rocket burns out and they then begin to decelerate)






as to my earlier point,


40k is far more realistic then other science fiction. many weapons are still based on chemical reactions to propel a solid or explosive round forward.

They also seem to have more respect for the laws of physics then usual. they use some existing scientific theories to allow for their equipment to work(Magnetic Envelope theory for plasma weaponry)

Actually, if you're wanting to look at guns and bullet velocities for rocket-propelled rounds, take a gander at the Gyrojet system. Rocket bullets, oh yeah. Futuristic, awesome, accurate, and notable for being the only firearm in existence that you can actually render harmless with a finger down the barrel.

the Gyrojet had many flaws. it was an excellent concept that didn't have the required support technology(it was developed shortly after WW2)



the Bolt round takes the Gyrojet principal and improves it.


the Bolt round has an explosive charge like a normal bullet to solve the short range lethality problems the Gyrojet had.

Presumably, ignition failure has been solved through better manufacturing of the ammo.

its caliber also allows it to carry a warhead instead of simply being a slug.



the Bolter takes the great concept and fixs its problems.







as it is, we currently have some ammo which is very similer to bolter rounds.

our current Automatic Grenade launchers are basically Heavy Bolters. they can fire fragmentation or armor piercing rounds. they are also starting to be used as a direct fire weapon rather then as a bombardment tool(following a rather flat trajectory instead of the traditional parabolic grenade launcher path)

Soladrin wrote:You can't really apply game rules to a purely fluff discussion you know...

Also, theres more of them.

Fluff?
Truly are the Terminators amongst the greatest Heroes of Mankind, bold warriors in whom the indefatigable heroism of a Space Marine is combined with the terrible weaponry and indomitable mass of Tactical Dreadnought armour. No foe is safe from a Terminator assault, not a hoard of Orcs, adamantium fortress or colossal Chaos Titan. Terminators are invincible, they are unstoppable and they never yield.

Terminators have to deal with more dangerous enemies on a more regular basis than any Mobile Infantry unit. and having a gun that needs to be dropped from the sky isn't an advantage.

iproxtaco wrote:Of course he's going to anticipate it, but he moves after as the shot is fired. It takes phenomenal strength speed and reflexes to dodge that shot.

Fixed.

iproxtaco wrote:I'd put The Master Chief ahead of any marine then.

The Chairman of the United Federation of Astartes Psykers, a Mr. Tigurius, would like to have a chat with your lawyer.

Valkyrie wrote:

OH LOOK.

It's you again..

(By that I mean the kind of troller who likes to point out the obvious...)

Omegus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Of course he's going to anticipate it, but he moves after as the shot is fired. It takes phenomenal strength speed and reflexes to dodge that shot.

Fixed.

Omegus has it, but it is strength in this case, not speed (the strength allows the speed of movement).
Regardless, it is a writing method that is being used here that is fairly obviously meant to convey two things happening simultaneously (ie John anticipating the action) rather than John being faster than sound.

Lotet wrote:

Soladrin wrote:You can't really apply game rules to a purely fluff discussion you know...

Also, theres more of them.

Fluff?
Truly are the Terminators amongst the greatest Heroes of Mankind, bold warriors in whom the indefatigable heroism of a Space Marine is combined with the terrible weaponry and indomitable mass of Tactical Dreadnought armour. No foe is safe from a Terminator assault, not a hoard of Orcs, adamantium fortress or colossal Chaos Titan. Terminators are invincible, they are unstoppable and they never yield.

Terminators have to deal with more dangerous enemies on a more regular basis than any Mobile Infantry unit. and having a gun that needs to be dropped from the sky isn't an advantage.

You obviously have no clue how powerfull MI suits are. Mini nukes are standard weapons for them. I´d like to see the suit of terminator armor capable of surviving that.

zxwarrior wrote:
I forget the book but my friend lent it to me. Also i another book a female spartan two spent a whole week in the coventent home city of high truth sniping upside down from a ceiling light of sorts. id like to see a marine mange to have to the fixture hold him up for ten minutes.
Well yeah, the Marine is even heavier than the Spartan.

The sm wouldn't need to hang from the fitting, he would shoot it and send said spartan plummeting to the ground. If the shield hasn't failed at this point the space marine would then radio for backup ie. a land raider.

Soladrin wrote:

Lotet wrote:

Soladrin wrote:You can't really apply game rules to a purely fluff discussion you know...

Also, theres more of them.

Fluff?
Truly are the Terminators amongst the greatest Heroes of Mankind, bold warriors in whom the indefatigable heroism of a Space Marine is combined with the terrible weaponry and indomitable mass of Tactical Dreadnought armour. No foe is safe from a Terminator assault, not a hoard of Orcs, adamantium fortress or colossal Chaos Titan. Terminators are invincible, they are unstoppable and they never yield.

Terminators have to deal with more dangerous enemies on a more regular basis than any Mobile Infantry unit. and having a gun that needs to be dropped from the sky isn't an advantage.

You obviously have no clue how powerfull MI suits are. Mini nukes are standard weapons for them. I´d like to see the suit of terminator armor capable of surviving that.

actually,


TDA was first developed as a maintanance suit for operating inside a working plasma reactor(aka Fusion)


a suit of armor which can operate inside a working Fusion core can withstand a nuclear blast.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:I'd put The Master Chief ahead of any marine then.

The Chairman of the United Federation of Astartes Psykers, a Mr. Tigurius, would like to have a chat with your lawyer.

I would have the same conversation. If it's down to "luck" then Master Chief has plenty of "luck".

Grey Templar wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

Lotet wrote:

Soladrin wrote:You can't really apply game rules to a purely fluff discussion you know...

Also, theres more of them.

Fluff?
Truly are the Terminators amongst the greatest Heroes of Mankind, bold warriors in whom the indefatigable heroism of a Space Marine is combined with the terrible weaponry and indomitable mass of Tactical Dreadnought armour. No foe is safe from a Terminator assault, not a hoard of Orcs, adamantium fortress or colossal Chaos Titan. Terminators are invincible, they are unstoppable and they never yield.

Terminators have to deal with more dangerous enemies on a more regular basis than any Mobile Infantry unit. and having a gun that needs to be dropped from the sky isn't an advantage.

You obviously have no clue how powerfull MI suits are. Mini nukes are standard weapons for them. I´d like to see the suit of terminator armor capable of surviving that.

actually,


TDA was first developed as a maintanance suit for operating inside a working plasma reactor(aka Fusion)


a suit of armor which can operate inside a working Fusion core can withstand a nuclear blast.

No, it can't, because a plasma reactor is just heat and Radiation, a nuklear explosions main damage comes from the instant release of energy and resulting shockwave.

Grey Templar wrote:
actually,


TDA was first developed as a maintanance suit for operating inside a working plasma reactor(aka Fusion)


a suit of armor which can operate inside a working Fusion core can withstand a nuclear blast.

I dont want to be pedantic, but you dont need to push enter so many times after each sentence. As it makes it a little confusing to read.

As confusing as another spacebar enthusiast we have come to know recently.