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Grey Templar wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:the Asteroid scene doesn't help you because those were going right through the shields and taking out Star Destroyers. guess the shields don't stop solid particles.

Who said anything about the Death Star? its kinda irrelevent when we bring super weapons into the equation. they have what I call the God effect. they are so powerful that only divine intervention could possably stop them. they are thus unacceptable for practical debate.

and I hope that was Sarcasim for my Bioplasma comment. we seriously have NO way of calculating that.


Going to show that the ship hit by a single asteroid even died, or are you now trying to make up extra ships getting hit?

No, the Republic has it and would use it against the Nids thus the DS is fair game.


considering the hologram showed the captain flinching before he died and the fact the bridge wasn't there after impact suggests the ship was crippled.

The Republic can't use something that was infiltrated by Genestealers in the moment of its creation.

and considering every one of the planets will be in complete chaos due to said Genestealers basically results in the repiblic having just enough time to say "What the h..." before the stealers take over completely.

There is no way Genestealers would be able to infiltrate the Deathstsr prototype while it was being built. It was under construction in the Maw, completely surrounded by black holes, and any ships going in or out were subject to securities protocols higher than you could imagine. If there's one place steelers would be detected, that's it.

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Asherian Command wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:the Asteroid scene doesn't help you because those were going right through the shields and taking out Star Destroyers. guess the shields don't stop solid particles.

Who said anything about the Death Star? its kinda irrelevent when we bring super weapons into the equation. they have what I call the God effect. they are so powerful that only divine intervention could possably stop them. they are thus unacceptable for practical debate.

and I hope that was Sarcasim for my Bioplasma comment. we seriously have NO way of calculating that.


Going to show that the ship hit by a single asteroid even died, or are you now trying to make up extra ships getting hit?

No, the Republic has it and would use it against the Nids thus the DS is fair game.

Not really that was after the clone wars. This is during the clone wars at the very beginning. So *BANG*


It was being built during the clone wars and even without it I doubt the Nids will enjoy torpedo spheres very much.
   
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Canadian 5th wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:SLAVE 1 is not a civilian craft, it was taken from a Heavily guarded military galactic prison. I have played every single Starwars game that is based on the books and the movies, and every time I was completely destroyed by a single ship, each time it crashed into me. And I blew up.
No the Eclipse was destroyed because they had no more crew to pilot it, the entire bridge was destroyed, if that happens your pretty muched analed.


Sorry, but the Firespray(Which there is only one left of) is a civilian law enforcement vessel, Slave I was modified but even as a guard for a non-military prison it would still be a civilian ship (which is owned by a Mandolerian bounty hunter). Also we have examples of civilian freighters having weapons mounted to them and this being common practice so having some level of defensive weapons is clearly common.

Now reread this. You proved my point. I have played Jango Fett's Bounty Hunter, he heavily modified it from its original form. He has added explosives all over the entire thing and has ways of clearing asteriod fields but only problem is he only has 8 of them. Considering there is only one of these puppies left it means you can't really mass produce them if the last one is on the run.

Not only that but freighters will be completey put off guard as the tyranid hive fleet eats them and the asteriods (Which actually have biomass too) would be eaten as well.

There is only ONE firespray class remaining left. That is the one owned by jango but he is now dead and his son is now the pilot.
Prison guard were equipped with heavy weaponry as they are ex-military soldiers. Plus that was the largest prison in that entire area so.. It has to have some of the best ships and defenses it could or else the prisoners who are all the worst of the worst would escape.
Not only that but considering the fact that the tyranid fleet can break through shielding like an all you can eat. The Clones are going to have a hard time trying to hit the damn things. They also have to get up-close and personnel and they heavily rely on fighters, which in the case of the tyranids = tastey biomass.

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Asherian Command wrote:But its just when Starwars people bumb their chest and start saying things that are completely alien I feel like bashing them with a crowbar.

In which case you need to take a breath, step away from the computer, and go find something else to do for a while that doesn't get you so worked up.

You're talking about science fantasy here. If other people having a different opinion to your own gets you riled up enough to threaten violence, you need to find something healthier to do with your time, because you're clearly taking this all far too seriously.

Further comments of this nature will result in the thread being locked and the offending party taking a holiday from Dakka.

 
   
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insaniak wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:But its just when Starwars people bumb their chest and start saying things that are completely alien I feel like bashing them with a crowbar.

In which case you need to take a breath, step away from the computer, and go find something else to do for a while that doesn't get you so worked up.

You're talking about science fantasy here. If other people having a different opinion to your own gets you riled up enough to threaten violence, you need to find something healthier to do with your time, because you're clearly taking this all far too seriously.

Further comments of this nature will result in the thread being locked and the offending party taking a holiday from Dakka.

Should I edit that?

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Bit pointless by now. Just don't do it again.

 
   
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MandalorynOranj wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:the Asteroid scene doesn't help you because those were going right through the shields and taking out Star Destroyers. guess the shields don't stop solid particles.

Who said anything about the Death Star? its kinda irrelevent when we bring super weapons into the equation. they have what I call the God effect. they are so powerful that only divine intervention could possably stop them. they are thus unacceptable for practical debate.

and I hope that was Sarcasim for my Bioplasma comment. we seriously have NO way of calculating that.


Going to show that the ship hit by a single asteroid even died, or are you now trying to make up extra ships getting hit?

No, the Republic has it and would use it against the Nids thus the DS is fair game.


considering the hologram showed the captain flinching before he died and the fact the bridge wasn't there after impact suggests the ship was crippled.

The Republic can't use something that was infiltrated by Genestealers in the moment of its creation.

and considering every one of the planets will be in complete chaos due to said Genestealers basically results in the repiblic having just enough time to say "What the h..." before the stealers take over completely.

There is no way Genestealers would be able to infiltrate the Deathstsr prototype while it was being built. It was under construction in the Maw, completely surrounded by black holes, and any ships going in or out were subject to securities protocols higher than you could imagine. If there's one place steelers would be detected, that's it.



a Genestealer implanted human could(like we said before, the Star Wars galaxy doesn't regester the threat yet) become a technical guy or a welder or any other of the thousands of shmos which were involved in its construction. this guy(or gal) is under complete control of the Hive Mind and as such has everything the Hive Mind knows at its disposal.

if you got a bunch of these guys in on the project(and the Hive Mind most certaintly would try) they could allow a full Genestealer to slip through security.

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Grey Templar wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:the Asteroid scene doesn't help you because those were going right through the shields and taking out Star Destroyers. guess the shields don't stop solid particles.

Who said anything about the Death Star? its kinda irrelevent when we bring super weapons into the equation. they have what I call the God effect. they are so powerful that only divine intervention could possably stop them. they are thus unacceptable for practical debate.

and I hope that was Sarcasim for my Bioplasma comment. we seriously have NO way of calculating that.


Going to show that the ship hit by a single asteroid even died, or are you now trying to make up extra ships getting hit?

No, the Republic has it and would use it against the Nids thus the DS is fair game.


considering the hologram showed the captain flinching before he died and the fact the bridge wasn't there after impact suggests the ship was crippled.

The Republic can't use something that was infiltrated by Genestealers in the moment of its creation.

and considering every one of the planets will be in complete chaos due to said Genestealers basically results in the repiblic having just enough time to say "What the h..." before the stealers take over completely.


Flinching doesn't mean anything, people flinch from nonlethal impacts all the time and we never see the ship after the impact from the asteroid fades. So it's on you to prove that it was actually destroyed.

How will the Genestealers find the DS let alone get aboard it?

I'm pretty sure Genestealers don't infect things instantly, in fact, depending on where in the Rim they hit they might never make a landing to infect anything. If they attack say Rothana, Mon Calamari, the Corporate Sector, or any other world with even a small, by Wars standards, defense force they might not even get in. Then even if they do infect somebody it might be on a world like Tatooine where they would be hard pressed to get a ship at all.
   
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Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:the Asteroid scene doesn't help you because those were going right through the shields and taking out Star Destroyers. guess the shields don't stop solid particles.

Who said anything about the Death Star? its kinda irrelevent when we bring super weapons into the equation. they have what I call the God effect. they are so powerful that only divine intervention could possably stop them. they are thus unacceptable for practical debate.

and I hope that was Sarcasim for my Bioplasma comment. we seriously have NO way of calculating that.


Going to show that the ship hit by a single asteroid even died, or are you now trying to make up extra ships getting hit?

No, the Republic has it and would use it against the Nids thus the DS is fair game.


considering the hologram showed the captain flinching before he died and the fact the bridge wasn't there after impact suggests the ship was crippled.

The Republic can't use something that was infiltrated by Genestealers in the moment of its creation.

and considering every one of the planets will be in complete chaos due to said Genestealers basically results in the repiblic having just enough time to say "What the h..." before the stealers take over completely.


Flinching doesn't mean anything, people flinch from nonlethal impacts all the time and we never see the ship after the impact from the asteroid fades. So it's on you to prove that it was actually destroyed.

How will the Genestealers find the DS let alone get aboard it?

I'm pretty sure Genestealers don't infect things instantly, in fact, depending on where in the Rim they hit they might never make a landing to infect anything. If they attack say Rothana, Mon Calamari, the Corporate Sector, or any other world with even a small, by Wars standards, defense force they might not even get in. Then even if they do infect somebody it might be on a world like Tatooine where they would be hard pressed to get a ship at all.



the Ships bridge was no longer in the shot(but parts of the ship were)

the Hologram even showed some explosions in th static.



as to how Nids find the Deathstar. the same way the Rebels found out about it, except the Nids could take control of the person they got the information from and weedle their way through into the loop.

it just takes one genestealer to get on board a freighter bound for a densly populated system to cause it to fall. that one stealer can spawn many more and these in turn can go to even more systems.


Stealers have the ability to hypnotize their prey with their psychic powers. this isn't just so they can infect people. they could use it to move undetected, and if that fails, well, no one will notice another body.

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Asherian Command wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:SLAVE 1 is not a civilian craft, it was taken from a Heavily guarded military galactic prison. I have played every single Starwars game that is based on the books and the movies, and every time I was completely destroyed by a single ship, each time it crashed into me. And I blew up.
No the Eclipse was destroyed because they had no more crew to pilot it, the entire bridge was destroyed, if that happens your pretty muched analed.


Sorry, but the Firespray(Which there is only one left of) is a civilian law enforcement vessel, Slave I was modified but even as a guard for a non-military prison it would still be a civilian ship (which is owned by a Mandolerian bounty hunter). Also we have examples of civilian freighters having weapons mounted to them and this being common practice so having some level of defensive weapons is clearly common.

Now reread this. You proved my point. I have played Jango Fett's Bounty Hunter, he heavily modified it from its original form. He has added explosives all over the entire thing and has ways of clearing asteriod fields but only problem is he only has 8 of them. Considering there is only one of these puppies left it means you can't really mass produce them if the last one is on the run.

Not only that but freighters will be completey put off guard as the tyranid hive fleet eats them and the asteriods (Which actually have biomass too) would be eaten as well.

There is only ONE firespray class remaining left. That is the one owned by jango but he is now dead and his son is now the pilot.
Prison guard were equipped with heavy weaponry as they are ex-military soldiers. Plus that was the largest prison in that entire area so.. It has to have some of the best ships and defenses it could or else the prisoners who are all the worst of the worst would escape.
Not only that but considering the fact that the tyranid fleet can break through shielding like an all you can eat. The Clones are going to have a hard time trying to hit the damn things. They also have to get up-close and personnel and they heavily rely on fighters, which in the case of the tyranids = tastey biomass.


Just because it's the only ship of its kinda left doesn't mean that a small ship doesn't have the firepower to destroy Asteroids with ease. When a ship that's only a few times larger than an F-22 can output two kilotons a shot with her main lasers (consistent with the firepower of a Wars level starfighter) and megatons of energy with her missiles (still fitting) and 12 gigatons with seismic charges (also still making sense) then you're going to need to show that the Nids have something to match. Given that a Venator will carry at least 36 ARC-170 fighters capable of pulling 2,600G acceleration in real space and carrying megaton yield weapons, not to mention the near two hundred V-19 torrents, and Eta-2 Actis class fighters. The Eta-2 could pull 5,200G maneuvers and was still armed with kiloton yield lasers. Thus the Nids will have issues with the fighters given their slow speeds and weapons that often take them into melee range with enemy ships.

I would actually worry if they could catch Venator that was moving away from them while accelerating at 29.4 kilometers per second, or the Acclamator which can starting moving away with 34.3 kilometers per second acceleration. Do their projectile weapons even more that quickly or would it be like shooting spitballs at the back of a race car while jogging after it?
   
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Canadian 5th wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:SLAVE 1 is not a civilian craft, it was taken from a Heavily guarded military galactic prison. I have played every single Starwars game that is based on the books and the movies, and every time I was completely destroyed by a single ship, each time it crashed into me. And I blew up.
No the Eclipse was destroyed because they had no more crew to pilot it, the entire bridge was destroyed, if that happens your pretty muched analed.


Sorry, but the Firespray(Which there is only one left of) is a civilian law enforcement vessel, Slave I was modified but even as a guard for a non-military prison it would still be a civilian ship (which is owned by a Mandolerian bounty hunter). Also we have examples of civilian freighters having weapons mounted to them and this being common practice so having some level of defensive weapons is clearly common.

Now reread this. You proved my point. I have played Jango Fett's Bounty Hunter, he heavily modified it from its original form. He has added explosives all over the entire thing and has ways of clearing asteriod fields but only problem is he only has 8 of them. Considering there is only one of these puppies left it means you can't really mass produce them if the last one is on the run.

Not only that but freighters will be completey put off guard as the tyranid hive fleet eats them and the asteriods (Which actually have biomass too) would be eaten as well.

There is only ONE firespray class remaining left. That is the one owned by jango but he is now dead and his son is now the pilot.
Prison guard were equipped with heavy weaponry as they are ex-military soldiers. Plus that was the largest prison in that entire area so.. It has to have some of the best ships and defenses it could or else the prisoners who are all the worst of the worst would escape.
Not only that but considering the fact that the tyranid fleet can break through shielding like an all you can eat. The Clones are going to have a hard time trying to hit the damn things. They also have to get up-close and personnel and they heavily rely on fighters, which in the case of the tyranids = tastey biomass.


Just because it's the only ship of its kinda left doesn't mean that a small ship doesn't have the firepower to destroy Asteroids with ease. When a ship that's only a few times larger than an F-22 can output two kilotons a shot with her main lasers (consistent with the firepower of a Wars level starfighter) and megatons of energy with her missiles (still fitting) and 12 gigatons with seismic charges (also still making sense) then you're going to need to show that the Nids have something to match. Given that a Venator will carry at least 36 ARC-170 fighters capable of pulling 2,600G acceleration in real space and carrying megaton yield weapons, not to mention the near two hundred V-19 torrents, and Eta-2 Actis class fighters. The Eta-2 could pull 5,200G maneuvers and was still armed with kiloton yield lasers. Thus the Nids will have issues with the fighters given their slow speeds and weapons that often take them into melee range with enemy ships.

I would actually worry if they could catch Venator that was moving away from them while accelerating at 29.4 kilometers per second, or the Acclamator which can starting moving away with 34.3 kilometers per second acceleration. Do their projectile weapons even more that quickly or would it be like shooting spitballs at the back of a race car while jogging after it?

Okay I give up. I am joining the starwars team. I agree there is no-way in hell that either side is going to have a total victory. Its not going to be a slaughter but the starwars universe could potentially pull through. If it surivived the first onslaught and also could manage to deal with the genestealers in time.

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we don't know how fast 40k weapons battery projectiles move, but as they cover hundreds of kilometers in just a few seconds I would say at least 150kmph.

Bioplasma could be fired at near the speed of light.

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Grey Templar wrote:
the Ships bridge was no longer in the shot(but parts of the ship were)

the Hologram even showed some explosions in th static.



as to how Nids find the Deathstar. the same way the Rebels found out about it, except the Nids could take control of the person they got the information from and weedle their way through into the loop.

it just takes one genestealer to get on board a freighter bound for a densly populated system to cause it to fall. that one stealer can spawn many more and these in turn can go to even more systems.


Stealers have the ability to hypnotize their prey with their psychic powers. this isn't just so they can infect people. they could use it to move undetected, and if that fails, well, no one will notice another body.


Going to provide evidence that the bridge was gone or that the asteroid actually had to go through shields to hit the bridge?

So you're saying that the Empire is going to leak data to the genestealers? The Death Star was being built 19 BBY, the rebels found out about it 19 years later. So even saying the Genestealers are twice as good at finding data as the rebels that means they need ten years to find it and the OP never said anything about mass Genestealer infection prior to the attacks.

You're still assuming the Stealers make planet fall without being destroyed. If they come down in pods then they will likely be mistaken for asteroids on a collision course with the planet and be destroyed. If they bring a ship then that gets destroyed once it's known to be hostile.


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Grey Templar wrote:we don't know how fast 40k weapons battery projectiles move, but as they cover hundreds of kilometers in just a few seconds I would say at least 150kmph.

Bioplasma could be fired at near the speed of light.


150km/h would mean you cover 44 meters in a second or 0.044 kilometers per second, the ship you fired at will have put in at least 29 kilometers distance if they started touching your weapons firing port and started moving right as you fired.

Also, you're going to provide a source for that speed for Bioplasma right? You're also going to show that it has at least a few Gigatons of energy right?

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the Bridge was clearly destroyed in that shot. watch it again.



Genestealers drift through space,

land on an out of the way planet that is still inhabited,

sneak onto a freighter and hitch a ride into the galactic core.


its quite simple and made much quicker by Star Wars FTL travel speed.



I do concede that its unlikely that the Genestealers would infiltrate the Deathstar prior to construction. but once it is built and moving around it needs resupply. Stealers hop on board a supply ship bound for the Deathstar and the rest is history.

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Grey Templar wrote:the Bridge was clearly destroyed in that shot. watch it again.


Going to provide a screen capture or a video clip that proves your case?

Genestealers drift through space,

land on an out of the way planet that is still inhabited,

sneak onto a freighter and hitch a ride into the galactic core.

its quite simple and made much quicker by Star Wars FTL travel speed.


How do they land without being destroyed? Drifting objects of enough mass are still going to threaten a planet and if a passing ship sees a strange bio rock they're likely as not to scan and report it as being odd so the authorities can do something about it.

I do concede that its unlikely that the Genestealers would infiltrate the Deathstar prior to construction. but once it is built and moving around it needs resupply. Stealers hop on board a supply ship bound for the Deathstar and the rest is history.


Because the resupply ships wouldn't be scanned before they were brought aboard and Genestealers would be able to by pass closed blast doors with ease right? Oh wait...
   
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I do not have a clip or still, but you can go watch the movie.

I have a copy of the movie and can see it right now. thats my evidence.



Genestealers drop down in spores. then immediatly leave the site and find a settlement.

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Do stealers even do that, I thought they pretty much stayed on space hulks/broken space ships and if someone is foolish enough to come on board try to bite them and then run away


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yeah they can do that.

the preferred method is for them to hop from ship toship, but they gotta get to the galaxy in the first place.

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Grey Templar wrote:I do not have a clip or still, but you can go watch the movie.

I have a copy of the movie and can see it right now. thats my evidence.


I have this invisible elephant that tells me that you can't just say you see something and call it evidence. Debate doesn't work that way.

Genestealers drop down in spores. then immediatly leave the site and find a settlement.


How do they land without being destroyed in space first? All it takes is one guy who doesn't like the look of that rock to end the threat.
   
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Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:I do not have a clip or still, but you can go watch the movie.

I have a copy of the movie and can see it right now. thats my evidence.


I have this invisible elephant that tells me that you can't just say you see something and call it evidence. Debate doesn't work that way.

Genestealers drop down in spores. then immediatly leave the site and find a settlement.


How do they land without being destroyed in space first? All it takes is one guy who doesn't like the look of that rock to end the threat.



maybe you have me on the movie clip, but it IS there. Don't belive me, go watch the movie. you are at just as much fault for not going and looking at the evidence which anyone with access to a copy of Empire Strikes Back can see.



and people just go around blasting rocks for no reason. sure, thats what they do in Star Wars.

and it isn't just one spore, its going a be thousands of spores accross a whole swath of the Galaxy.

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Grey Templar wrote:maybe you have me on the movie clip, but it IS there. Don't belive me, go watch the movie. you are at just as much fault for not going and looking at the evidence which anyone with access to a copy of Empire Strikes Back can see.


I don't have to make your case for you.

and people just go around blasting rocks for no reason. sure, thats what they do in Star Wars.

and it isn't just one spore, its going a be thousands of spores accross a whole swath of the Galaxy.


If you see a what looks like a rock headed for your planet you likely would. We would do it today if we could.

How many will get blasted or hit a shield and burn up? How many will miss an inhabited world and land in the middle of no where? How many will drift for ages and never hit anything?
   
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The problem all it takes is one to hit a planet, so odds say that if the hive mind shotguns enough pods one will get through and then it will be game over


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Canadian 5th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:maybe you have me on the movie clip, but it IS there. Don't belive me, go watch the movie. you are at just as much fault for not going and looking at the evidence which anyone with access to a copy of Empire Strikes Back can see.


I don't have to make your case for you.



actually, saying what a source says and giving someone the ability to go look at the source is a perfectly acceptable way of providing evidence.

Its backed up if you truly wish to verify it. simply saying that me not showing it directly to you isn't good evidence is completely false.

I have said what the evidence is, said where to find it. you simply refuse to belive it and also refuse to check it out.

you are the one who is debating incorrectly.

my evidence stands.

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Wardragoon wrote:The problem all it takes is one to hit a planet, so odds say that if the hive mind shotguns enough pods one will get through and then it will be game over


Game over from a single pod. Doubtful. First off they'd need to get off world which means they would need either their own ship, or to book passage on somebody else's ship. Then they need to pass customs. When a small fighter can scan your cargo from 200m away this means some sensitive scanners indeed. Then you still need to start infecting more people without anybody noticing. After that you need to get to a position where your infection can do something besides just infect a small group of people. This means either getting people into the military and past their physical exams, passing as a clone (good luck with altered DNA), or getting a government position where you're powerful enough to accomplish something. Good luck with Palpatine having emergency powers and ignoring the senate.


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Grey Templar wrote:actually, saying what a source says and giving someone the ability to go look at the source is a perfectly acceptable way of providing evidence.

Its backed up if you truly wish to verify it. simply saying that me not showing it directly to you isn't good evidence is completely false.

I have said what the evidence is, said where to find it. you simply refuse to belive it and also refuse to check it out.

you are the one who is debating incorrectly.

my evidence stands.


Not really, I've provided sources for my claims this entire time, you can't even source an easy one and you constantly pack peddle away from your positions. You still haven't gotten back to me on Nid ship acceleration or their weapons speeds and firepower by the way.

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Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

I said i can't give you numbers on Bioplasma since there is no real life equivilant. stop harping on it.

and I have provided a source for asteroids going through shields. the Star Wars movies, down to the episode and scene. you can't accept that as evidence, you really shouldn't have anything to do with Star Wars.



Genestealers are the masters of stealth. They, as psykers, could mask their presense from the scanners.

you think Star Wars has security measures. 40k has security levels so high, it can take decades for things to be processed.

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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
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Vancouver, BC

Grey Templar wrote:I said i can't give you numbers on Bioplasma since there is no real life equivilant. stop harping on it.


We can do calculations based on the source material. In this case we need to look at scenes with Bioplasma being fired and then see what we can scale it against. This isn't hard, but you're unwilling to do the work.

On the other side, fans of Star Wars have calculated the effects of turbolasers, also not real by doing just what I described.

and I have provided a source for asteroids going through shields. the Star Wars movies, down to the episode and scene. you can't accept that as evidence, you really shouldn't have anything to do with Star Wars.


Prove that the shields are up in the scene in question? Show that the bridge was actually destroyed and not simply obscured by smoke and debris? Can you do any of this?

Genestealers are the masters of stealth. They, as psykers, could mask their presense from the scanners.

you think Star Wars has security measures. 40k has security levels so high, it can take decades for things to be processed.


Prove that they can defeat a scanner able to tell the contents of a cargo hold from 200m away through hull and shields.

Also, that shows that they're slow and inefficient not that they are good. If I take decades to process your immigration forms, does that make me better or worse than a guy who weeds out the sick within a few days or weeks?
   
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Austin, TX

Grey Templar wrote:the Genestealers have been proved to be unstopable by Star Wars. Nids win due to a pacified galaxy.




Dude you didn't even give anyone a chance to reply. Do you know how immature that looks?

Anyway, how could the Tyranids pacify the Star Wars galaxy when they can't even pacify the Imperium?

Also, the other thing is, psykers and force users are 2 totally different things, and a Psyker who uses its power to conceal itself from other Psykers is still going to be wide open to someone to detects aliens using the Force.

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The guy's 20 and can't get punctuation and capitalization right. maybe we should go easy on him.
   
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Chicago, Illinois

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:the Genestealers have been proved to be unstopable by Star Wars. Nids win due to a pacified galaxy.




Dude you didn't even give anyone a chance to reply. Do you know how immature that looks?

Anyway, how could the Tyranids pacify the Star Wars galaxy when they can't even pacify the Imperium?

Also, the other thing is, psykers and force users are 2 totally different things, and a Psyker who uses its power to conceal itself from other Psykers is still going to be wide open to someone to detects aliens using the Force.


Because Imperium big and scariy D:

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Asherian Command wrote:Because Imperium big and scariy D:


I guess grammar and spelling are also 'scariy' these days... But honestly Star wars has more member worlds, better technology, and faster reaction times to bad things happening.
   
 
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