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Canadian 5th wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Because Imperium big and scariy D:

I guess grammar and spelling are also 'scariy' these days... But honestly Star wars has more member worlds, better technology, and faster reaction times to bad things happening.

Hey I agrue well, I am not some superstar! I make fun of star-trek alot. And I don't give much for star wars. And I sucks at spelling

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:the Genestealers have been proved to be unstopable by Star Wars. Nids win due to a pacified galaxy.

Dude you didn't even give anyone a chance to reply. Do you know how immature that looks?

Its been nearly a day and every argument has been shot down against it. you have something to go against it? I am glad to hear it.

the Security levels in Star Wars are no better then in 40k. Stealers regularly bypass those. any security measure can be bypassed, and when you have the intelligence of the Hive Mind behind the attempts you have a serious force to consider.




I can't do the calcs for Bioplasma. someone alot smarter then me needs to do that. STOP ASKING ME TO DO IT. I refuse to do it. I even dropped it and left the point alone, but you keep harping on it. do the calcs for it yourself if you want it. I can't do it. I never used Bioplasma in my evidence because I can't do the calcs. drop it or do the calcs yourself.

Personal attacks are a major no no in debate and you call me out on my information. attacking my age and spelling will hardly get you points. I do alot better then others on this forum for spelling and punctuation. the least you can do is be civil.

Grey Templar wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:the Genestealers have been proved to be unstopable by Star Wars. Nids win due to a pacified galaxy.

Dude you didn't even give anyone a chance to reply. Do you know how immature that looks?

Its been nearly a day and every argument has been shot down against it. you have something to go against it? I am glad to hear it.

the Security levels in Star Wars are no better then in 40k. Stealers regularly bypass those. any security measure can be bypassed, and when you have the intelligence of the Hive Mind behind the attempts you have a serious force to consider.

Prove that 'any security measure can be bypassed'. Also, by shot down, you men you back away and just drop points you don't want to talk about?

I can't do the calcs for Bioplasma. someone alot smarter then me needs to do that. STOP ASKING ME TO DO IT. I refuse to do it. I even dropped it and left the point alone, but you keep harping on it. do the calcs for it yourself if you want it. I can't do it. I never used Bioplasma in my evidence because I can't do the calcs. drop it or do the calcs yourself.

So you concede due to lack of proof that a Hive fleet is fast enough to catch and strong enough to damage a Clone Wars era fleet from Star Wars. That's excellent.

Personal attacks are a major no no in debate and you call me out on my information. attacking my age and spelling will hardly get you points. I do alot better then others on this forum for spelling and punctuation. the least you can do is be civil.

Funny, personal attacks are made in the senate and congress, in court, and in many other formal debates. Yet you, a fine product of the American school system, say otherwise. Who am I to judge one who can't capitalize words that start a sentence and who can't be bothered to use spellcheck before posting...


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Asherian Command wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Because Imperium big and scariy D:

I guess grammar and spelling are also 'scariy' these days... But honestly Star wars has more member worlds, better technology, and faster reaction times to bad things happening.

Hey I agrue well, I am not some superstar! I make fun of star-trek alot. And I don't give much for star wars. And I sucks at spelling

You do 'agrue' well, arguing well however is not something you do so well at.

ANY security measure can be bypassed. I really don't have to prove that one. if they can hack it with Star Wars technology, the Genestealers can find a way around it or even use the Star Wars tech.

So you concede due to lack of proof that a Hive fleet is fast enough to catch and strong enough to damage a Clone Wars era fleet from Star Wars. That's excellent.

What??? I said I can't calculate Bioplasma specs. I didn't make any claims as to its effectivness.


Again, personal attacks are frowned upon. using congress as justification is hardly evidence. infact, its the opposite.

I don't have spell check on my browser. Deal with it.

Back to the Death Star thing, the only way the 'steamers could find out about it is if they infect Bothans. Everyone knows many Bothans have to die for that information to be gained.

That was a joke btw, hopefully a somewhat funny one.

Grey Templar wrote:ANY security measure can be bypassed. I really don't have to prove that one. if they can hack it with Star Wars technology, the Genestealers can find a way around it or even use the Star Wars tech.

I can't prove a negative, the burden of proof is on you to show that they can bypass the security with the ease you claim.

What??? I said I can't calculate Bioplasma specs. I didn't make any claims as to its effectivness.

So you concede that you can't argue for the effectiveness of the Tyranid space forces.

Perhaps I can't prove any security measure can be bypassed, but neither can you prove one in uncrackable. Unstoppable force meets Immovable object.

I am not skilled with math and can't do the specs. Shut up about it.


With that i'm done here. the Personal attacks were, no matter how subtle, too much.

I am going to ask the Mods to close this thread. it got out of hand.

Grey Templar wrote:Perhaps I can't prove any security measure can be bypassed, but neither can you prove one in uncrackable. Unstoppable force meets Immovable object.

I can't prove a negative so this isn't even close to that. Just try to prove that I'm typing with my toes right now or that I don't have voices in my head. Go ahead and try.

I am not skilled with math and can't do the specs. Shut up about it.

I sense great anger in this one. Fallen to the dark side has he.


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I think the thread's just fine to be honest. It's less heated than most YMDC threads.

Canadian 5th wrote:Funny, personal attacks are made in the senate and congress, in court, and in many other formal debates.

This is not the senate, congress, or a formal debate. It's a bunch of guys talking about which fictional space aliens are tougher than which other fictional space aliens.

If those guys can not do so while following the rules of this venue, which are not the rules of the senate, or congress, or a formal debate, those who find themselves unable to follow the rules will be removed.

Then again which is worse? Somebody calling you on a lack of research and poor spelling, or somebody who doesn't think that you're worth taking the time to use proper English when addressing you? I frankly find the later option worse given how simple it is to type correctly especially as the poster was 20 and presumably passed high school.

Canadian 5th wrote:Then again which is worse? Somebody calling you on a lack of research and poor spelling, or somebody who doesn't think that you're worth taking the time to use proper English when addressing you? I frankly find the later option worse given how simple it is to type correctly especially as the poster was 20 and presumably passed high school.

Yes but assaulting him and making fun of him is not the greatest. Personnel attacks in debate automatically means the person who started it..... Loses. Frankly sir you need to calm down and get away from the computer. Last thing you need to pull is something you will regret.
Also back ontopic Anyone notice the fact that it would be cool to have a jedi hybrid?

Personal attacks in a debate are a no-no.

Then again, being able to fluently speak the language the debate is being held in is essential.

Asherian Command wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:Then again which is worse? Somebody calling you on a lack of research and poor spelling, or somebody who doesn't think that you're worth taking the time to use proper English when addressing you? I frankly find the later option worse given how simple it is to type correctly especially as the poster was 20 and presumably passed high school.

Yes but assaulting him and making fun of him is not the greatest. Personnel attacks in debate automatically means the person who started it..... Loses. Frankly sir you need to calm down and get away from the computer. Last thing you need to pull is something you will regret.
Also back ontopic Anyone notice the fact that it would be cool to have a jedi hybrid?

Frankly I could no more assault him at this distance as I could flap my arms and fly. Do you perhaps mean insult? Also, no personal attacks do not automatically win or lose anything, especially when the person you're attacking hasn't yet managed to support a single argument. Lastly, I need to step away from my computer? Why exactly, I'm not mad, I'm actually having consequence free fun given that the worst they can do is ban me. Even if they do that it's simple enough to come back anyway.

Nerivant wrote:Personal attacks in a debate are a no-no.

Then again, being able to fluently speak the language the debate is being held in is essential.

True. But personal attacks are worse.

Frankly I could no more assault him at this distance as I could flap my arms and fly. Do you perhaps mean insult? Also, no personal attacks do not automatically win or lose anything, especially when the person you're attacking hasn't yet managed to support a single argument. Lastly, I need to step away from my computer? Why exactly, I'm not mad, I'm actually having consequence free fun given that the worst they can do is ban me. Even if they do that it's simple enough to come back anyway.

Do not test the mods They are very good at banning and especially your IP if you ever heard of gibrathle.
Assault can also be applied to many things its not just punching someone, it s called personnel attack or personnel assualt. He has supported it and you resulted to assualt! So please get away from the computer.

Don't feed the trolls, let's just carry on the debate or end it without this guy.

I would bet on high casualty ground combat with entire worlds being taken easily but eradicating the hive fleet would be what they go for most likely. So Republic and confederate ships in space using droids as a cannon fodder wave with Clones coming in to hit them while they get distracted COULD hurt if not destroy the fleet. But gene sealers would be all over the damn place by the time the fleet large enough to do so was mustered. If tendrils have already broken off and started attacking the galaxy in multiple positions numbering more than 5 i doubt things would turn out well.

Planets that get infected? I can see a blood bath in the future the lies of which will make every jedi master have a major coronary infarction. Seriosuly that many people dying would HAVE to make a tsunami in the force that just pimp slaps ever force sensitive right out of his chair. Speaking of the force if the Hive Mine shadow bit blocks that out not even a jedi would stand much chance so ground wars and in some cases space wars would be GRIM.

Canadian 5th wrote:Then again which is worse? Somebody calling you on a lack of research and poor spelling, or somebody who doesn't think that you're worth taking the time to use proper English when addressing you? I frankly find the later option worse given how simple it is to type correctly especially as the poster was 20 and presumably passed high school.

What's worse is when people for some obscure reason think that the board rules are up for negotiation.

If you feel someone has not properly researched their point of view, by all means point that out.
If you feel that someone is not making their point in an easily comprehensible manner, by all means point that out, or report it.

But the board rules require you to be polite when you do so. If you have to resort to name-calling to make your point, it's time to stop and reconsider just how important the argument actually is, and whether making that point is worth losing your posting privileges over.

Varrick wrote: I would bet on high casualty ground combat with entire worlds being taken easily but eradicating the hive fleet would be what they go for most likely. So Republic and confederate ships in space using droids as a cannon fodder wave with Clones coming in to hit them while they get distracted COULD hurt if not destroy the fleet. But gene sealers would be all over the damn place by the time the fleet large enough to do so was mustered. If tendrils have already broken off and started attacking the galaxy in multiple positions numbering more than 5 i doubt things would turn out well.

Planets that get infected? I can see a blood bath in the future the lies of which will make every jedi master have a major coronary infarction. Seriosuly that many people dying would HAVE to make a tsunami in the force that just pimp slaps ever force sensitive right out of his chair. Speaking of the force if the Hive Mine shadow bit blocks that out not even a jedi would stand much chance so ground wars and in some cases space wars would be GRIM.

i agree. with that. But in no doubt the next hive fleet will keep weakening the starwars universe until the final wave comes O.o

insaniak wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:Then again which is worse? Somebody calling you on a lack of research and poor spelling, or somebody who doesn't think that you're worth taking the time to use proper English when addressing you? I frankly find the later option worse given how simple it is to type correctly especially as the poster was 20 and presumably passed high school.

What's worse is when people for some obscure reason think that the board rules are up for negotiation.

If you feel someone has not properly researched their point of view, by all means point that out.
If you feel that someone is not making their point in an easily comprehensible manner, by all means point that out, or report it.

But the board rules require you to be polite when you do so. If you have to resort to name-calling to make your point, it's time to stop and reconsider just how important the argument actually is, and whether making that point is worth losing your posting privileges over.

You're now going to point out exactly what I said that required you to be here right?

Canadian 5th wrote:The guy's 20 and can't get punctuation and capitalization right. maybe we should go easy on him.

You kind of insulted the guys intellegence

I don't know.

I think it's reasonable for people to not take someone seriously if they can't make even the barest attempt to use basic punctuation, spelling, grammar and capitalization.

Well there's a difference between insulting a guys intelligence and not taking him seriously, Canadian did both(which hell deserves a thumb)

Wardragoon wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:The guy's 20 and can't get punctuation and capitalization right. maybe we should go easy on him.

You kind of insulted the guys intellegence

Is it wrong to suggest the quality of debate with him was likely to be lesser than had he displayed a firmer grasp of English?

Canadian 5th wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:The guy's 20 and can't get punctuation and capitalization right. maybe we should go easy on him.

You kind of insulted the guys intellegence

Is it wrong to suggest the quality of debate with him was likely to be lesser than had he displayed a firmer grasp of English?

Ehh, just saying it was one of those things to ignore, now if he was saying stuff like "Me am smarter tahn uo nd tht maeks you argment bad" I wouldn't mind, but caps and punctuation isn't really something to bust ones balls over on the internet.

He pretty much was saying that though when he claimed to win points he had been called on and backed away from points while not conceding them. Had he simply said, 'I think the Nids might have a tough time with that, but I can't say I know the math.' or even given what evidence he could have found i would have been far easier on him.

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Anyway, how could the Tyranids pacify the Star Wars galaxy when they can't even pacify the Imperium?

I know this is off thread but... Imperium is much stronger faction than any other Star Wars major faction ( Galactic Republic, Sith Empire, CIS and Galactic Empire ).
They have numberless solders ( unlike Star Wars ), numberless ships, 40.000+ years of warfare expirance and unshakable faith.
And you are also forgeting that they destroyed last Tyranid invasions with relative ease ( Tarsis Ultra, Aurelian Crusade ).

Back to OP:

In was thinking about force powers. Can Tyranid evolve some creature that will enable them to use force powers ( like Zoantrope )?

Brother Coa wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Anyway, how could the Tyranids pacify the Star Wars galaxy when they can't even pacify the Imperium?

I know this is off thread but... Imperium is much stronger faction than any other Star Wars major faction ( Galactic Republic, Sith Empire, CIS and Galactic Empire ).

Hardly. Star Wars has always had the greater strategic mobility (crossing the galaxy in days, not weeks), efficiency (not having planets forgotten due to lost paperwork), production (built the DS II in six months, built 25,000 ISD's in under twenty years, built 1,000 Acclamator-class Assault Transports in under a year), and super weapons (Death Star, Torpedo Spheres, Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher, World Devastators). The only real advantage 40k has is that their ships aren't vastly weaker in fire power and that they're tough. Wars still wins on RoF, range, speed, and firepower however.

Canadian 5th wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Anyway, how could the Tyranids pacify the Star Wars galaxy when they can't even pacify the Imperium?

I know this is off thread but... Imperium is much stronger faction than any other Star Wars major faction ( Galactic Republic, Sith Empire, CIS and Galactic Empire ).

Hardly. Star Wars has always had the greater strategic mobility (crossing the galaxy in days, not weeks), efficiency (not having planets forgotten due to lost paperwork), production (built the DS II in six months, built 25,000 ISD's in under twenty years, built 1,000 Acclamator-class Assault Transports in under a year), and super weapons (Death Star, Torpedo Spheres, Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher, World Devastators). The only real advantage 40k has is that their ships aren't vastly weaker in fire power and that they're tough. Wars still wins on RoF, range, speed, and firepower however.

And what about ground troops?
SW don't have Titans either... And Warhammer have Blackstone fortresses, Craftworlds, Tombworlds...
And all those weapons can't do anything against the powers of the warp...
And also, Warhammer has teleportation - SW don't. And that's a big advantage on it's own.

And regarding the Imperium... He is politically more stronger than any of this SW "empires". Imperial Navy is also numberless with hundreds of dockworlds in the galaxy building hundreds ships per day. And what can SW ships do against Craftworld or Necron fleet?

In terms of everything 40k is more powerfull simply because it has everything in larger scale and it has divine beings ( Chaos Gods, C'tan, The Emperor... ).

So, Canadian 5th, done trying to start a mud-slinging contest? Good.

Canadian 5th wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Anyway, how could the Tyranids pacify the Star Wars galaxy when they can't even pacify the Imperium?

I know this is off thread but... Imperium is much stronger faction than any other Star Wars major faction ( Galactic Republic, Sith Empire, CIS and Galactic Empire ).

Hardly. Star Wars has always had the greater strategic mobility (crossing the galaxy in days, not weeks), efficiency (not having planets forgotten due to lost paperwork),...

Last I checked the Star Wars worlds don't have to be logged in and make tributes to a central authority. The Imperium is very impressive in that regards.

...production (built the DS II in six months, built 25,000 ISD's in under twenty years, built 1,000 Acclamator-class Assault Transports in under a year), and super weapons (Death Star, Torpedo Spheres, Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher, World Devastators).

The Imperium has terrifying weapons of their own, ones that fulfill the goals that a SW super weapon would hope to achieve.

The only real advantage 40k has is that their ships aren't vastly weaker in fire power and that they're tough. Wars still wins on RoF, range, speed, and firepower however.

The only real advantage SW has would be speed. This advantage is outweighed by the fact that they appear to be inferior in all other naval aspects. And that they have the combat effectiveness of a limp turnip, with no hope of securing planetary resources, and hence no chance of refuelling and not dieing if in Imperial Territory.


Back to the issue of Tyranids. Has anyone actually addressed the problem of genestealers hitchiking on Star Wars transports? SW space transit is much less regulated than Imperial travel, and much faster, so wouldn't a genestealer infestation spread like wildfire?

Canadian 5th wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:The guy's 20 and can't get punctuation and capitalization right. maybe we should go easy on him.

You kind of insulted the guys intellegence

Is it wrong to suggest the quality of debate with him was likely to be lesser than had he displayed a firmer grasp of English?

Some people may not be very adept at grammar, but they could be good in pointing out other things. Are you, as an individual not magnanimous enough to over-look simple grammar error? Try arguing with a chinese man in english. In forums we have to keep as civil as possible, personal attacks are not nice. If any Congress member uses personal attacks you quote it and follow it? Would you murder somebody if a congressman commits murder? I think not. So, play nice and we can all enjoy Dakka.

Asherian Command wrote:Also back ontopic Anyone notice the fact that it would be cool to have a jedi hybrid?

Swamlord Force-choking! Hive Tyrant shooting lightning! Zoanthropes using Jedi mind tricks!