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I was pointing up a list for a fun game and it came up to 2001pts, and it made me think about a few armies That Others have Feilded I’ve seen in the tourney games that are over just a few points some people found it fine others founded it an outrage!

I’m just wondering what others think, is going over by even 1 point in a tourney setting to much,

Yes, it is too much as it's basically cheating at the end of the day in a tournament.

If the points limit is 2000 then that's the maximum you can spend. I'd be querying with the Tournament Organiser why those lists weren't rejected.

In a tourney setting, the point limit is there for a reason. Follow the rules, just like anything else.

Friendly games, I can let usually 5-10 points slide

For a pick up/friendly game? I wouldn't care if you're 1pt over.

I personal would not go over 2000 pts, I was just seeing what other thought because on a few occasions at turnys Ive seen people with 1-2 points over on there list,

thanks for the input ^^

1-2pts, don't really care, even in a tournament, as to be fair, there aren't many game-breaking upgrades that are 1-2pts, so it's not like the opponent has intentionally spent more.

I usually go with "The limit is the limit". If that means I have to have fewer points than I could (something that happens with my Ogres on occasion, even up to 10 or so points depending whether or not I could add some Gnoblars or so) it´s ok.

If my opponent is above the limit and can´t drop anything to get below it again we can allways increase the limit (to 2005 pts instead of 2000 pts for example). That means I could get in something I might have not fielded otherwise and he can keep his list.

That only works in pick up and friendly games, though. Then again, all tournaments I´ve been to (not that many mind you) have been limit=limit anyway.

For casual play with friends I'd say is okay to be a point or two over as long as you let them know.
In a friendly game against a random I'd ask them first and be ready to drop something small if they have any problems.
In a tournament there should be no discussion, anything over the limit is an illegal list.

Given that you posted this in "tournament discussions" and not general discussions ...

NOT ONE POINT over.

Tourneys set limits for a reason. The game is not balanced well, and not sticking to their restrictions is hardly going to make it any more fair.

If it's a friendly game and you're writing a list then and there? I don't care if your a few points over.

Tournament? No. No way. Because it's not like they're 2 points over because they took a bolt pistol instead of a laspistol...it's more likely they're 2 points over because those 2 points have 128 little friends who combine to squeeze in one more Vendetta.

Yeh, rules are rules and if there is a point limit - like we usually have - than it´s the limit no matter what. There will always people who try to cheat on you and trying to discuss is to no end but it´s like beating a dead horse to me. 1 or 10 points over does make no no difference for me. You´re trying to cheat me or not there´s no grey area.

A friendly game - pretty much everything outside a tournament is a complete different story. I for myself try to never break the limit but thats a personal thing of beeing correct and precise.

With a casual non tournament battles, it's fine but with tournaments theres is a reason for it
Think about it-
2000pts tournament, and you are allowed to go a point over, thus effectively making it a 2001 point tournament. So, the same person will ask if they can just go a point over that limit, like they did for the 2000pts and it becomes a 2002pts tournament, and so on, and it becomes utterly pointless having a pts limit if you don't fully and strictly stick to it.
The limit is there for a reason.

At a tournament, it is an outrage. An accident, while still sloppy gamesmanship, can be forgiven AFTER it's corrected.

Intentionally coming to a tournament even 1 point over is cheating.

For friendly games, I don't care if someone is over by 1% (that's 20pts in a 2000pt game for the arithmetic-challenged) and most of the time don't even buff my own list to add the points (I use pregenerated all-comers lists most of the time). In a tourney setting, IMO there should be NO leniency on the matter as the point limit is quite well known to all players. If someone has an army that is over, their OPPONENT should choose which UNIT to take out to get them under (over by 3pts... say goodbye to that termie TH/SS squad!). Just letting the offending player take off a meltabomb somewhere isn't enough of a punishment to prevent people from trying to purposely ignore the restriction; making the penalty as severe as above will also encourage those who have a habit of accidentally doing this (no sarcasm intended here.. I do actually mean accidentally) to double and triple check their lists before submitting/using them.

I see it as when I used to wrestle in HS

If the weight class was 145. I was 145 on the dot from cutting/dehydrating and my opponent was 149 and didn't bother to kill himself to cut the weight, it would make a difference. It would give him a small edge, even if you wouldn't think it would

I agree with the others above:

If you're in a tourney, yes, 1 point is too much.

In a friendly game, I'm ok with it

I'm not really adding anything new to the discusion but I thought I'd weigh in anyway and add to the numbers that think that in a friendly game I'd have no problem with my opponent being a few points over, but in a tournament there should be zero tolerance for such a thing.

Well I got what I wanted from the Discussion, I would not take this list to a turny EVER I want to get that throught to everyone, IT bothers me to even feild it on a friendly game, I just wanted other opions and i got them thanks every one ^^

My 2k lists are generally 1996 or 1998 because I can never get to 2k even. You can be under, but not over.

Dashofpepper wrote:My 2k lists are generally 1996 or 1998 because I can never get to 2k even. You can be under, but not over.

I agree with this sentiment. Not counting calculation error (which should be a very rare occurrence unless you are just sloppy,) I think that there is never any reason why you should be over. It's a small thing, so a friendly opponent probably wouldn't say anything even if they didn't like it. Nonetheless, its improper.

Not that I genuinely care about a few points, but its in the spirit of things. You should adhere to the same standard as your opponent.

NEVAR BE OVAR! RARRRRRRR!

If one point over is no big deal then why not 1 point under? Everyone can always purge a piece of wargear...

My issue is people who build over then purge wargear on the spot. That is borderline cheating as you are basically loading up and removing the wargear that will be the least use against the opponent at hand which is a form of tailoring.

I also dislike when people say 'this is a friendly game, so you should allow it' because basically friendly game seems to be code for 'I can cheat you and you shouldn't complain.'

Always under, never over. There is never a valid justification ever.