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Yes I know I'm cruel. A Random Omnipotent Being(ROB) is bored so it decides to have some fun by bringing from the 40k universe into our universe-5 genestealers and a patriarch. The genestealers and their patriarch are dropped on earth in a somewhat remote area but it is connected to nearby city with a port to sea and per their instincts do what it is genestealers do - Infiltration, propagation and mutilation. Can our Earth discover and fight off this infestation without collateral damage or shall humanity become extinct and be replaced by genestealer hybrids? And if we can fight them , can we do it without descending into totalitarian grimdarkness?

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No, there are no Tyranid hivefleets just the genestealers. Unless, you want Tyranid hivefleets to be involved. If you do just ask.

Were going to be using fluff for this discussion like from novels, rpgs and even former codex editions. Stats are a no, unless its for comparing genestealers of whatever to something else from 40k.

The group is landed in a somewhat remote area but it is connected to nearby city with a port to sea - this is posted triple to be redundant.
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Discuss

Through the use of telescopes, we would see their asteriod/tyranid form of transportation coming. Considering it would not burn up in the atmosphere, we would find out where it landed and capture it for science. If it lands far enough away from first-world civilization, the genestealers will have a chance to hide and populate. If they land in Times Square or London, they will do tons of collateral damage and then be run down by military forces.

Lots of explosives.

Genestealers manage to hide from all the the advancments and technology of the 41st millenium and still overthrow worlds by putting hybrids in charge of governments..... you really think that we with all our division and problems in todays world would be able to find and eliminate genestealers? They would be impossibly fast, conventional munitions wouldnt even make it through there chitin, and they have talons that can rip right through modern day tank armor. But there most deadly feature would be that they would most likely avoid open contact all together and subjugate our species with hybrids and secrecy. They would prolly have maguses in charge of all major global governments before we even knew we were under attack.

If the 41st millenium has so much trouble dealing with them... or world would most deffinately be doomed. But with no hive fleets to come and consume us after subjigation being a planet of genestealer hybrids would actually probably very adventagious to our species evolution.

If they land in a populated 1st world area then they will be ripped apart from land and air forces hitting them as soon as they land.
If it was a populated 3rd world then it would be far harder to deal with but the modern world probably wouldnt hesitate to level the area.
If the area was completely unpopulated they would probably just level the area.

We smear arnie with mud and give him a bow and arrow...

Worked against predators

They would nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.

Pun aside, odds are that they'll land on a sparsely populated area. By the time outsiders realise that local stories of monsters aren't just stories, it would probably be too spread out to kill, and nukes/assaults would always miss at least some of them.

If they land in a major population center, they's wreck havoc, troops would come and kill some of them, but the patriarch and some GS, being smart, would hide in the sewers or subways and escape. See above for following events, game over for humans either way.

Put simply, we would be in serious trouble.

If you read the 'Alien Hive' books by Alan Dean Foster (basically, what was originally the novel for the script of Alien 3 before Fox got cold feet about a movie which didn't have Sigourney Weaver in it), even a more advanced society than ours would eventually be over run. Bear in mind that genestealers are not only as deadly as the 'aliens' their original concept designs were influenced by, but also have the ability to infiltrate society covertly.

The trick is, it would be almost impossible for our weapons today to do much of anything to them, and they can kill alot of people. The worst part will be the genestealer cult that grows up because of the genestealers. Massive war would follow in about 100 years, once the cult has reached a very lare population, and it would simply be game over for mankind.

Plus, it would be highly unlikely we would ever get the chance to bomb the stealers, they are way too sneaky. It would simply mean that mankind would be horribly, horribly doomed.

Laughing God wrote:Genestealers manage to hide from all the the advancments and technology of the 41st millenium and still overthrow worlds by putting hybrids in charge of governments..... you really think that we with all our division and problems in todays world would be able to find and eliminate genestealers? They would be impossibly fast, conventional munitions wouldnt even make it through there chitin, and they have talons that can rip right through modern day tank armor. But there most deadly feature would be that they would most likely avoid open contact all together and subjugate our species with hybrids and secrecy. They would prolly have maguses in charge of all major global governments before we even knew we were under attack.

If the 41st millenium has so much trouble dealing with them... or world would most deffinately be doomed. But with no hive fleets to come and consume us after subjigation being a planet of genestealer hybrids would actually probably very adventagious to our species evolution.

Yeah...except in the far future of the 41's millennium, I still have to roll a few D6 to see if I can see an enemy tank across the tabletop. Nevermind the fact that modern battle tanks can hit targets at several miles away.

The 40k universe is grim dark. They have *some* high-tech stuff but they generally don't know how it works. In terms as real world force multipliers, they generally don't have night vision optics, they don't have FLIR, they don't know how artillery is supposed to work, etc. If such creatures landed on earth, their best bet would be to run and hide.

You'd never even see a genestealer, nobody would. we'd all be Hybrids by now. If you can see a genestealer it can see you and if you make eye contact you'd be hypnotized. They are very smart and just as fast.

Genestealer hybrids are regularly depicted as being somewhat grotesque and offputting, right?

They'll never get laid. Eventually, they'll probably try to rape someone, who will then get an abortion if they don't use pepper spray. Eventually, the police are called in, and the hybrids are shot when they resist arrest.

This is all assuming that the genestealers don't land in Australia, of course. Then they wouldn't even get that far.

Have you been to Wal-mart? The mutations have already started . . .

Don't overestimate our ability to detect oncoming objects, it really is very limited indeed. Many NEOs (near earth objects) that have been orbiting for centuries were only detected very recently because a telescope happened to be pointing in that direction.

Basically, we'd all be stuffed.

I dont have my books with me to confirm, but the hybrids that look like mutants are early strains, I think as further generations of hybrids are created, they look more and more like humans...just with no hair and a slightly bluish tint to their skin or something.

Then I happen to recall something about every 4th or 5th generation a purestrain is born.

Genestealers don't have "Sex" like we do. they Hypnotize you and Implant an egg with their hollow tongue. Hence the Implant attack, and Hypnotic Stare. It doesn't matter if you are male or female. You most likely wouldn't remember what happened.

I dont think they implant an egg, as much as their genetic material. The host then finds a mate, reproduces normally, and then a hybrid is borne.

Ditto

I think it was the 4th gen genestealer that looked exactly like a slightly-bluish version of the host species, and the fifth produces a purestrain.

We do have a number of people born with mutations today from time to time, a first or second gen hybrid might just be written off as that, and maybe even given surgery to blend into the public, if they so chooses. Dont know how they'll hide a purestrain, but given the GS cult mentality they might venerate them as a messiah or something. Full on extermination, however, probably will never happen, as that's beyond our current ethics (well, the sane people anyways), but war might be considered, depending on size and aggression of the cult, since rebel militias are not unheard of.

Obrek wrote:Through the use of telescopes, we would see their asteriod/tyranid form of transportation coming. Considering it would not burn up in the atmosphere, we would find out where it landed and capture it for science. If it lands far enough away from first-world civilization, the genestealers will have a chance to hide and populate. If they land in Times Square or London, they will do tons of collateral damage and then be run down by military forces.

Just a note - the Earth definitely isn't tracking every body out there. If you have ever heard of the NEO project (used to track all objects that could potentially collide with Earth) we definitely are not aware of all of them - in fact, it will take us hundreds of years to find them all (unless we dedicate many more resources, of course).

So could we see the Nid Ship through a telescope? Maybe. But even that simple assumption is just that - only an assumption!

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I think it was the 4th gen genestealer that looked exactly like a slightly-bluish version of the host species, and the fifth produces a purestrain.

We do have a number of people born with mutations today from time to time, a first or second gen hybrid might just be written off as that, and maybe even given surgery to blend into the public, if they so chooses. Dont know how they'll hide a purestrain, but given the GS cult mentality they might venerate them as a messiah or something. Full on extermination, however, probably will never happen, as that's beyond our current ethics (well, the sane people anyways), but war might be considered, depending on size and aggression of the cult, since rebel militias are not unheard of.

And thats the problem if we don't exterminate them Humanity will pretty much disappear as we all become hybrids and obey the Brood mind or die. No more true individuality or anthing really and if we live in a peaceful galaxy we would go and genestealer poor alien races and make them into fellow hybrids.

Ok I'm changing the op with the genestealers landing in a somewhat remote area but it is connected to nearby city with a port to sea.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I think it was the 4th gen genestealer that looked exactly like a slightly-bluish version of the host species, and the fifth produces a purestrain.

We do have a number of people born with mutations today from time to time, a first or second gen hybrid might just be written off as that, and maybe even given surgery to blend into the public, if they so chooses. Dont know how they'll hide a purestrain, but given the GS cult mentality they might venerate them as a messiah or something. Full on extermination, however, probably will never happen, as that's beyond our current ethics (well, the sane people anyways), but war might be considered, depending on size and aggression of the cult, since rebel militias are not unheard of.

And thats the problem if we don't exterminate them Humanity will pretty much disappear as we all become hybrids or die and obey the Brood mind. No more true individuality or anthing really and if we live in a peaceful galaxy we would go and genestealer poor alien races and make them into fellow hybrids.

Ok I'm changing the op with the genestealers landing in a somewhat remote area but it is connected to nearby city with a port to sea.

If thats the case, were totally and completly screwed.

Althought 40k has all the futuristic tanks but it is fighting a constant war. On earth there is peace (mostly).

If there was really an alien landing taking place, it will be nuked out of the sky. if it doesn't and lands it will gets tons of explosives dropped on.

If they actully survice or escape all of that, they will probably infest a city ot two then, the world will nuke the hell out of them.

worst case - millions die.

Here's how I see it happening:

Genestealers land in Canada, slowly take over and grow in size... very slowly
Eventually, they make their way down to America over land, to Europe and asia by ocean/air
Genestealer infestation starts spreading more rapidly, eventually the president of Cuba starts seeing what's going on but it's too late - he's already got an infestation. Cuba falls, along with south america
Pretty soon the entire world is under the thumbs of the progenitors, except for Madagascar (because it doesn't have an airport or land connections, and the president won't let any ships dock)

We welcome our genetic overlords and gladly become one with the hive mind.

SilverMK2 wrote:We welcome our genetic overlords and gladly become one with the hive mind.

^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said! I really would not like to think about it!
It's a freaky thought and one that will give me night terrors for some time.

Now, if it's a Zombie outbreak your talking about, I am MORE than ready!

ehh it depends.

If 5 genestealers and there Big Boss land and are seen, and or there location is found anytime within a 50 to a 100 years of there landing then they die, any modern day nation would crush them. even if it means nukeing a few of there own citys.
0% chance they live once they are discovered and there nature understood. Within this time frame

After that time, our chances start to go down as each year passes.

If I had to guess:

Bullets.

Assuming that the object is not obviously of Tyranid origin, and would be relatively small, we would largely ignore it's approach and stick with looking at an awesome lightshow as the object enters orbit. We would have little reason to doubt this rock would contain any more life than the next. The night it enters atmosphere, it veers off the calculated course and fails to burn in atmosphere.

To that, the reaction would most likely be to put a satellite to watch it, with groups of scientists coming to see why the pod didn't burn during it's descent. The genestealers will have been gone, or will impregnate these scientists, who discover something of the pods' origin (That it's semi-organic, and seems to have contained something. They may be hypnotized by GS that there was nothing out of ordinary, which would stall any response.

As far as I know, few countries keep their militaries in high enough alert to scramble airstrikes without any delay and without any tactical intelligence as to what exactly are we fighting. As they landed some distance from any major powers, there might be "slight" resistance for nuking the place off the maps. We don't do that these days. Also, such course of action could easily cause WW III, which would doom most of us humans. Genestealers, I assume, would be highly resistant to the effects of radiation, and might survive the attack. (Remember, it would be highly unlikely that any country would nuke a normal meteor drop site until something seems to be wrong with it, meaning that GS would have had some time to flee.

Finally, if genestealers got to a port city, people they impregnate would be spread all over the globe before any substantial evidence of danger would be gathered. By then, first generation hybrids are roaming all over. Most people wouldn't know, as the unwitting parents are under mind control from the hybrid. Hybrids would be home schooled and isolated from other humans. I'm fairly certain that the world at large would take far too long to authorize a purge that would kill all hybrids and stealers.
The genestealers would have no reason whatsoever to engage any military before they have an almost certain victory over any adversaries. The way genestealer infestations are normally discovered in 40k is by detecting their psychic signal that calls down a Hive fleet (which we can't detect) or when they reveal themselves (at which point the planet needs to be saved by IG or Astartes. And these worlds, more often than not, have military strength greater than Earths population.

In short, we're pretty much doomed unless we somehow unite to form a dystopian mega-nation that commits routine purges in order to keep GS numbers down.

IMO

Hope they drop in Africa and get AIDS.