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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 07:49:37
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Slippery Scout Biker
United States, Oregon, Salem
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I have heard many arguments about Games Workshop being..well....bad about there service. So knowing all the arguments that I have heard I came up with this poll to see what dakka thinks, due to my as usual overactive curiosity.
you have been handed control of games workshop for one day. Yep, the keys, the money, and most importantly, the control. Your advisors tell you that you can change one thing about games workshop policy during your stay. One and only one though! Your given the following options to change about GW:
Option 1: Bring back the old bits service and introduce a full new line of custom bits for EVERY army. This would mean a full line of new custom bits. IE at least 10 different pads for different marin chapters, or for say imperial gaurd, a full line of bits to customize your basic infantry to several different legions ( Vanhallen ice warriors Talaharn Desert raiders ect.) this would of course transfer over to fantasy as well.
Option 2: Get rid of all metal and resin models and recast to plastic. This means a full remake of all medal models into plastic models, making them more customizable and arguably more durable.
Option 3: Update all codices and consult the community when doing so. This would bring all the codices up to date in a rapid fashion, starting with oldest to newest. This would not update any of the already updated codices (5th ed. compliant), unless the general community says otherwise.
Option 4: Stop the legal pursuits against other companies, and become more free with the GW IP. This means dropping all lawsuits current and future, and allowing other companys to do custom "off chute" work *cough CHAPTERHOUSE cough*
Option 5: Fire Matt Ward and other community disproved writers, and if the community deems necessary, rewrite all rules related documents these people have produced. This would of course mean a potential rewrite of the Grey Knights and blood angles codices.
Option 6: Write in: Tell us what you would do. ( no mixing answers, stay on topic )
cheers,
-thatirishguy-
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Current Armys:
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Iron Knights Chapter=7000+pts= (4/30/10)
Kaledon Hunters Regiment=90pts=(0/0/0)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 08:10:43
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Frankly, I like how GW is doing things. The only things I would change is create an actual marketing department to advertise the wonderful grimdark universe in which they have created. If they had a larger customer-base, price-hikes would not be as neccessary. This in turn would help to freeze current prices until operating costs rose high enough to facilitate an increase in price.
That and it would bring in fresh blood, which means more people to play(hopefully)
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40k 7th Edition Record
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5 Games Won |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 08:38:41
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Oh god it's so hard to decide. I'm going to have to say option 2, because a plastic autarch/farseer would be very nice. 3/5 is a nice second place tie, then 4 then 1, cause I like custom Chapters/Craftworlds/etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 08:41:56
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Most of those options are knee jerk, toys out of pram responses that are probably the reason that GW doesn't listen to "the community" very much...
Not that I agree with everything GW says and does, but each of those options would only be a tiny part of the GW operation and would not really change anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 09:17:47
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Option 3 (but I'd still fire Matt Ward and re-do the BA and Nemesis DOOM Codex).
Collaboration with the community is a good thing. This is why we like FFG, and don't like GW. FFG wants to foster goodwill with the community at large. GW thinks we're the enemy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 09:43:39
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Option 3. Without question.
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Ayn Rand "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 10:06:04
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Option 4. Approve Chapterhouse and get them to make Pre-heresy era stuff and certain small units like the Farseer on a jetbike, or let them take over Specialist games, because GW sure as hell aren't going to do anything with them any time soon. They're in a reasonable amount of demand, although I'm not sure that people are openly calling for them. It would generate a reasonable amount of revenue, with little expense to GW. Oh, and fething approve The Lord Inquisitor animation, it looks ace, and GW don't have to spend any money. Hell, they could MAKE money out of it. No need to re-write codices written by authors the 'community' (being a small group of bandwagoners and the even smaller group of reasoned people). All that matters is the rules, and the rules of recent 'unapproved' codices are balanced. People disapprove of the fluff. Here's a solution, don't read it, or if you think you know better, write your own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 10:10:47
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Number 3! Community input along with updated books for everyone? Throne yes!
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 11:10:39
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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None of the above without seeing the full financial viability and market research data first.
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Apologies for talking positively about games I enjoy.
Orkz Rokk!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 13:39:40
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Slippery Scout Biker
United States, Oregon, Salem
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None of the above without seeing the full financial viability and market research data first.
I did plan this as a dream scenario if you will so assuming that each of the details would make no financial impact, even if they would IRL. but I do see your point sir.
Most of those options are knee jerk, toys out of pram responses that are probably the reason that GW doesn't listen to "the community" very much...
I don't know of any company successful company (outside of GW of course) that doesn't listen to its clientele. That said, GW does seem to get away with it, but how I will never know. Other than that I can see your point, but do keep in mind that I created this out of all the complaints I see on the forum.
-thatirishguy
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Current Armys:
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Iron Knights Chapter=7000+pts= (4/30/10)
Kaledon Hunters Regiment=90pts=(0/0/0)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 13:57:09
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Option 1.
the Bits service was the best idea GW had and made scratch building things that didn't have a model possable.
the rest seem unreasonable. besides, Matt Ward isn't that bad.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 14:34:41
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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PUT PRICES DOWN!!! i know at least 6 people in my school who whould buy more if it wasn't so dam expensive a squad of ig has doubled in price since i started 40K
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Son you can insult me, you can ambush me, you can even take away my weapons. But if you think im going to step one single pinky toe inside blue base with out my SHOTGUN... you must not know who you dealing with.
I said move...
and i said SHOTGUN...
yes I have your shotgun
no.. i mean SHOT...-GUN
what is this... you think im going to give you your shotgun back because you asked???
i said SHOTGUN.... SHOTGUN DAMMIT!!!
oh yeah shotgun... thats my que. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 14:38:15
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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I would hire new writers and redone codexes and rules.
So that player brains would be so raped after CS Goto...
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 14:43:04
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne
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Voted for 3, I'd like 6th ed and all the army books released at the same time and ballanced with one another. Its never going to happen, but as its a hypothetical thread I'll go for it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 14:49:29
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Fixture of Dakka
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I chose option 6.
As a game, I want a balanced system with well written rules. Winning should be more about who's rolling well on a given day and less about who has the marine chapter with the latest codex release. Codex creep sucks.
As an overall system, I want consistant fluff and background.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 14:57:36
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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6) Hire a rules staff, that is responsible for errata, testing codices pre release and will release an article about mailed in questions every week. Basically an official INAT council.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 15:08:05
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Kelne
Lost
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Option 3, I have not read the Mat Ward fluff. Although the carving into E's chest is a bit over the top. But I dont care too mutch.
Although if you want bitz, just go to da bitz box.
http://www.bitzbox.co.uk/
I think they sponsor dakka too, one of those bitz type sites do anyways. You don't get conversion packs for chapters though, gw do sell the odd chapter sprue for the major marine chapters, like fists, ultrasmurfs,etc if you dont mind spending some money. But gw, being as marine biased as always, only realy sell marine stuff. Forge world do sell the odd bit and peice, but resin is pricy and hard, unsafe to use.
Also if you want cheap stuff, most of you have probably heard of wayland games, now they do sponsor dakka, they are still a bit pricy, but buying a £50 stompa, or any gw super heavy, is a bit better than buying a £60 stompa. So your not saving much.
Ugavine@: it is a good point though, it is harder than you think running a company, I spose it is not asthough gw has a shortage of money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 15:46:15
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Number three is probably the only one that wouldn't put them under, so that one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 19:33:18
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Hauptmann
NJ
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I went with option 3, as having the codices balanced with each other and taking community input would really improve the game.
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Flames of War:
Italian Bersaglieri
German Heer Panzerkompanie
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 19:37:42
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Slippery Scout Biker
United States, Oregon, Salem
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to clear up some confusion:
1. this is a hypathetical senario, so it requires hypethetical answers. The idea here is to vote for what you would like to see happen in the future, with NO monetary involvment. IE moey is not the issue.
2. On the idea of bits, the idea here is to creat NEW bits, as well as enforcing current ones. For example if I wanted to play the old Vanhallen Ice Warriors, I could not because there are absolutly no bits avalible for the army. Even though they are clearly shown in the codex.
3. besides the bit of confusion this thread is really insightful for me (dont know 'bout you ) KEEP IT GOING!
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Current Armys:
(W/L/T)
Iron Knights Chapter=7000+pts= (4/30/10)
Kaledon Hunters Regiment=90pts=(0/0/0)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 20:08:33
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Dakka Veteran
Eye of Terra.
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I would choose option 6.
If you want your voice heard as a member of the 'community' (whatever that is...) stop buying products. The fastest way to get a business to do something is to attack their sales numbers.
Most of what you mention as choices would be very expensive outlays of financial capital. Something a company will not do if they see no reason to 'reform'.
This also does not mean that GW doesn't care about their 'community'. Their customer service is proof of that.
Outside of the vocal members of certain Forums most people are apparently happy with the status quo. Until that changes and sales drop precipitously, don't expect much.
In addition, hoping GW will lift copyright infringment bans is a non-starter for two reasons. One, GW doesn't want to have their sales limited by secondary sources and two, doesn't want to have to police those sources to protect their quality control standards.
Most companies only 'license' others to create additional content because they don't have sufficient production capacity or don't want to pay for creating in house content. GW doesn't have these problems and can keep strict control of their line.
Just my opinion obviously, but I think it sticks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 20:28:30
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Dogged Kum
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Brother SRM wrote:Number three is probably the only one that wouldn't put them under, so that one.
It might actually boost sales. The new point values would require new models for most players to reach the existing point levels they had before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 22:03:44
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Dakka Veteran
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Hypothetical is a joke when you are talking about a real business so I go for none of these. Number three: absolutly impossible with their current layout. The only way it would be realistic is including the force lists in the next rule book. That would mean cutting out all of the fluff and limiting to (at most) ten pages per army. Even then there will be so much regression tweaking that nothing will move forward. If you take the fluff out (even it readslike a lame afterthought in the last few books ) you remove alot of the character of the game. What good is having a great named character if you have to buy a novel to know anything about. Even worse, it will mean several armies wait upwards of over one year before getting new models. Tyranids still don't have models for a good number of units. As for number four, spend two hours reading actually researching intelectial proprerty copyright laws before you get on the bandwagon. GW has valid reasons in this case.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/17 02:04:47
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
Ontario
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Option 6, and then throw a giant stripper party at bugmans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/17 03:19:58
Subject: Re:Ruleing GW
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Slippery Scout Biker
United States, Oregon, Salem
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apparently the people of the interwebz don't fully comprehend the idea of a hypothetical question. Seriously this is what if question, which means anything goes. Second I'm not for or against any of these options, including the chapter house lawsuit. My opinions are my own, and this was created as a poll to find out what dakka thinks, not what I think.
To all else, thanks for the posts: keep it going!
oh and in other news it would seem that option 2 is now rendered inert due to the update released today from games workshop. But seeing as this is rumored to come with a large price increase and its going to resin, not plastic, I have decided to leave it as is.
-thatirishguy-
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Current Armys:
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Iron Knights Chapter=7000+pts= (4/30/10)
Kaledon Hunters Regiment=90pts=(0/0/0)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/17 13:18:33
Subject: Ruleing GW
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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I hope they DON'T go to resin! plastic is the way forward for me. (not only because they get the prices down not up!)
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Son you can insult me, you can ambush me, you can even take away my weapons. But if you think im going to step one single pinky toe inside blue base with out my SHOTGUN... you must not know who you dealing with.
I said move...
and i said SHOTGUN...
yes I have your shotgun
no.. i mean SHOT...-GUN
what is this... you think im going to give you your shotgun back because you asked???
i said SHOTGUN.... SHOTGUN DAMMIT!!!
oh yeah shotgun... thats my que. |
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