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From what I've read Space Marine seems to tick alot of my boxes when it comes to the 40k universe and I was wondering if this could lead to a fundimental sea change in tabletop gaming. If it as I read, I will be able to stomp around as a Space Marine (as a Space Wolf). To me that's job done. No painting of models, no rolling of dice, just me running around as a Space Wolf. If the game is a complete success, who knows the online gaming options and upgrades could explode. In the end you could see all the 40k races and equipment available to play with.

Would this see the demise / shrinking of the playing of the tabletop version or would it add another layer, opening it up to new customers? Would GW going digital be a better option for them?

Personally I paint first and play second. So no video game is going to kill the hobby for me.

Now that's not to say that I wouldn't play the video game, but it would not fill the needs I have completely.

I really doubt that the game will close the door for existing players and if anything will open the Warhammer world to an expanded player base that may result in more tabletop gamers.

The only thing killing table top gaming is the rediculous prices and GWs desire to kill off its fanbase with disrespect and hatred.

Space Marine is the first of its kind (Firewarrior does not count.. ), but they're already planning a 40k MMORPG.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:t they're already planning a 40k MMORPG.

Which I will likely play even though I don't play 40k currently.

well I can see what your going for, but I doubt it would ever completely replace the T.T. aspect of the game. why do I say this?, well for balance it is very unlikely they could get a 3rd person shooter to balance out that easily, and in truth I forsee alot of Assault Marine Rushing in the coming days. in the end people would simply ignore all the choices and go for the auto win(look at Chrome Hounds, on the first few games I log on, everyone had tossed everything but artilery to the side). its the reason THQ (Sadly in my mind) didn't add the option of Space Marine Vs Nob. Balance would have been quite the strain(that or they got crunched for time). I thinking do that would have been far more enjoyable than the current Chaos Marines vs Space Marines. or at least allowed the players to have another option in character design, I do how ever hope they handle this game as they have DOWII, giving expasions that introduce new races, classes and gear to the mix.

now as impressive as the customization is, it still falls short one what you can do on your own models, while people who want to play preset factions will be good to hook, those of us that one to add our own emblems, shades of colors and etc will never truely be satisfied. that and what types of armor we will be able to use, from what I have seen, they are already missing a few of the older Suits of armor, Heresy Armor sticks out in my mind atm, but we haven't got a complete list just yet, so fingers crossed, hell there isn't even any Terminator Armor . though realistically there was no way they could have given everything to the game, its the first stab at it.

now with all this aside, the game does look fun, and I will pick it up. its a step in the right direaction, but I doubt it will hurt the Table Top scene much, if at all.

just IMHO, so take that for what it is.

If Fire Warrior is anything to go by, no.

I have seen the various teasers and there is already quite a bit that the designers got wrong. I am not expecting much, nor am I excited about the release.

AvatarForm wrote:If Fire Warrior is anything to go by, no.

I have seen the various teasers and there is already quite a bit that the designers got wrong. I am not expecting much, nor am I excited about the release.

I'm... not sure if you're trolling or not. Fire Warrior could not be construed as anything to go by. Now what have they gotten wrong in the teasers? Everything I've seen is fine, and I'm a bit of a fluff nutter.

To the actual subject, nothing will change except GW will get a few new customers. I started playing because of Dawn of War.

DarkHound wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:If Fire Warrior is anything to go by, no.

I have seen the various teasers and there is already quite a bit that the designers got wrong. I am not expecting much, nor am I excited about the release.

I'm... not sure if you're trolling or not. Fire Warrior could not be construed as anything to go by. Now what have they gotten wrong in the teasers? Everything I've seen is fine, and I'm a bit of a fluff nutter.

To the actual subject, nothing will change except GW will get a few new customers. I started playing because of Dawn of War.

Im not trolling. Im serious.

Fire Warrior was a massive fail on the behalf of the designers and the fact that GW allowed it to be released was an insult to fluff nutters such as yourself. The weapons were the least of the things wrong with that.

Dawn of War began many internet memes due to how ridiculous many parts of it are, the most apparent being the extrememly poor cut scenes and voice acting.

The Space Marine trailers I have seen have the Bolter firing like a Machine Gun, not a miniature rocket launcher.

Many people got into Warhammer 40k by Firewarrior, I expect alot of new Ultramarine players.

Meh, I really dont care about video games. Angry Birds is the first video game Ive spent more than an hour on in over 20 years.

I play miniatures games because I like the minis.

AvatarForm wrote:If Fire Warrior is anything to go by, no.

I have seen the various teasers and there is already quite a bit that the designers got wrong. I am not expecting much, nor am I excited about the release.

Bahahahaha.

Oh, this is a good one.

The only thing, so far, that I have seen that could be considered "wrong" is the fact that they used a variant lascannon that people don't immediately recognize for the campaign.

I thought all tabletop gaming died out when they released pong! Don't tell me you still play?!

AvatarFrom wrote:The Space Marine trailers I have seen have the Bolter firing like a Machine Gun, not a miniature rocket launcher.

Maybe because the bolter isn't a miniature rocket launcher?

I think war gaming and computer gaming are two separate entities. In this instance, a computer game is simply using the background developed for a war game as the basis for a shoot em up.

There some people in the war gaming hobby who enjoy the modelling and painting side of it for it's own sake. That's not to say we are dwindling in numbers and that today's teenagers are more likely to wander into the Game than Games Workshop, but they are different experiences and for somebody bought up on both (me), neither is a substitute for the other.


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SilverMK2 wrote:I thought all tabletop gaming died out when they released pong! Don't tell me you still play?!

Immediately wins thread. You just received my first Exalt, Silver

Flashman wrote:Immediately wins thread. You just received my first Exalt, Silver

Woo!

iproxtaco wrote:

AvatarFrom wrote:The Space Marine trailers I have seen have the Bolter firing like a Machine Gun, not a miniature rocket launcher.

Maybe because the bolter isn't a miniature rocket launcher?

Please go back to the description of your botler in whichever rulebook you prefer.

Bolters firce rocket-propelled warheads.

Ipso facto, its a rocket launcher.

Uhuh, that doesn't make it a rocket launcher it the traditional sense. It fires rocket propelled bullets. It's fully automatic, used for close range firefights like a conventional assault rifle or machine gun. So far, the game shows exploding bolter rounds, that's pretty damn accurate to the fluff.

While I'm excited for the game, I certainly can't see it doing anything for the tabletop game in the long run.

In the short run, we'll get a bunch of little kids oohing and aahing at the 'da Shpess Mahreens!' and 'da Orcs!', and they'll run out and spend a good 100-200 dollars on some small plastic miniatures. Then they'll sell them after either realizing that you have to assemble and paint the models themselves, or try to play the game and realize that their supah dupah awesome Marines aren't as awesome in the Tabletop.

Of course, they still spend that 100-200 dollars, which is what GW is after. And a few may venture further into the hobby.

As with DoW it might bring in some but it wont ruin or change the hobby. Maybe we'll get a short influx of douchebag bros but that's it.

AvatarForm wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

AvatarFrom wrote:The Space Marine trailers I have seen have the Bolter firing like a Machine Gun, not a miniature rocket launcher.

Maybe because the bolter isn't a miniature rocket launcher?

Please go back to the description of your botler in whichever rulebook you prefer.

Bolters fire rocket-propelled warheads.

Ipso facto, its a rocket launcher.

Bolters fire multistage "rocket propelled warheads". It uses a primary charge to propel the round out of the gun, then a set distance away from it the round's "rocket" ignites. "Purging of Kadillus" talks about how it was something like 30 meters before the rocket kicks on, and that it did so with an earsplitting shriek that put a PDF trooper's teeth on edge.

You're also missing, however, that the Bolter is in fact an automatic weapon. Astartes commonly fire it semi-automatic or in bursts to conserve ammunition and maintain fire discipline though.

Bolters can fire continuously but they are nothing like the automatic weapons we have now. Bolts leaving the bolters are much slower and larger- resulting in the rate of fire of a bolter is still very low compared to modern weapons. You don't have to reload every shot but you can't spray with them like modern weapons can.

The title of the thread makes it sound like 40K is the only table top wargame and no-one has ever published a computer game before.

People will always play tabletop wargames because they aren't computer games.

Computer games and tabletop games are very different. I play both but my preference is TT games and no computer game is ever going to be able to give me the same feeling. However good they get it's still on a screen, TT games are real and infront of me.

That's it exactly.

Kanluwen wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

AvatarFrom wrote:The Space Marine trailers I have seen have the Bolter firing like a Machine Gun, not a miniature rocket launcher.

Maybe because the bolter isn't a miniature rocket launcher?

Please go back to the description of your botler in whichever rulebook you prefer.

Bolters fire rocket-propelled warheads.

Ipso facto, its a rocket launcher.

Bolters fire multistage "rocket propelled warheads". It uses a primary charge to propel the round out of the gun, then a set distance away from it the round's "rocket" ignites. "Purging of Kadillus" talks about how it was something like 30 meters before the rocket kicks on, and that it did so with an earsplitting shriek that put a PDF trooper's teeth on edge.

You're also missing, however, that the Bolter is in fact an automatic weapon. Astartes commonly fire it semi-automatic or in bursts to conserve ammunition and maintain fire discipline though.

Yet, this does not prevent the sound of it being fired from sounding like a rocket "whumpf!"... as opposed to the generic AK47 sound that has been used.

Hence, a rocket propulsion sound would be more accurate.

Official fluff describes a bolter discharge as a twin thunderclap. Or raaaaaark-pop if you're that old school.

That's what you're missing, AvatarForm. When it is fired--it is a standard "AK47 sound". It's not until the round's rocket motor kicks in, which is 30 or so meters, that the "whumpf!" would be in.

The Dawn of War gaes have not killed of Games Workshop and wargaming so why would Space Marine be any different. I havnt touched a single game for my xbox in about 5 months, but it will definetly be used one last time just to play Space Marine unless I save up for a decent PC instead..hmmmm

My spare time I either go to Cadets, Cycle, play games on the PC or paint.

Kanluwen wrote:That's what you're missing, AvatarForm. When it is fired--it is a standard "AK47 sound". It's not until the round's rocket motor kicks in, which is 30 or so meters, that the "whumpf!" would be in.

I can agree to that. However, can any physicists out there provide an accurate time lapse that it would take a high-propulsion projectile to travel ~30m?

Less than a second?

Hence, the mechanised "dakkadakka" would be drowned out by the rocket propulsion diplacing sound.

However, back to the in-game representations, they seem to have forgotten the "whumpf" all together.

It should sound a bit beefier than a frigging AK, it's a .75 calibre weapon damn it. When that fether fires it should BOOM not pewpew like most games have it now.