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Savnock wrote:Yeah, those are pretty bad. But the paintjob may be to blame for some of it: a lower-contrast definition might make them look less like lumps of mud or tumors and more like muscles.

The hero on the left looks better, though.

Avatars of War kicks GW's ass yet again:
http://arena-deathmatch.com/onlineshop/onlineshop.php

And for those reviling the razorgor, consider replacing it with the Netherhound, at the bottom right of the linked page.

How does GW fail so bad at this? Not exactly the most complicated concept. Fur, muscles, Horns, and a freaking cow head...

I am linking the Beast man from there, because it is awesome.

That's the ugliest refreshed line of models I've seen from GW.
I don't like the prices either, but that's another matter.

Sageheart wrote:i actually like the Razorgor. it looks silly which is true, but i think it works well with the rest of the models, and acts as a good center piece for the army.

NO NO NO, a centre piece is ment to be awe inspiring, not a piece of gak that you laugh at for 15 minutes, it looks terrible, GW showed that they can do good animals, the chaos hounds, so why are they making these

At least the Minotaur Lord is fairly well done, though the hoof-flippers still hurt the sculpt for me.

ghosty wrote:see they look really nice now >.>

I disagree. I think they look just as gak as before, but they're trying to disguise it by photographing them from an angle that is confusing to the eye. At such a low angle their bodies are in shadow and look like a bubbly wall of flesh. I really don't think there is any possible way to save those models. The best anyone who buys them can hope for is to make them "not as bad as the studio team did".

Teek wrote:Doombull is pretty slick, though I fear that's just because most of the elephantiasis is covered with armor plates.

Just what I was thinking!

I just looked at the GW advance orders page, and did a face-palm. It wasn't enough to make the razorgor look ridiculous. They had to model it in such a strange, unnatural pose, that it looks like it's in the middle of tripping over its front foot, about to fall flat on it's clown-face. It's like someone in management said to the sculptor (I'll call him Mr. Pants) "Mr. Pants, I want you to make a model that will embarass our players. We're going to call it a thing of terror, but I want you to make it look both comical and inept. Can you do that?" And then Mr. Pants soiled himself and began eating his two-part epoxy putty.

I kinda like Ghorros Warhoof. Stupid name, but there's a certain restraint being shown there that is entirely absent from the rest of the line. If I weren't going for a completely different look for my centigors (and if they weren't apparently getting nerfed) I'd be interested in him.

I think Malagor is a salvageable model, too. I don't normally like my minis covered in trinkets and bobs but on him it works. And I like the Brettonian bits on his staff, but that torso trophy has got to go. That's just sily.

Are the Jabberwocky and cyclops not getting models? Normally I'd be disappointed, but given what's come out of the studio in the monster department lately I'd say it's a relief. It would be nice to know what base/size to make our conversions though.

The Minotaurs are horrific. The Bestigors are too static and too expensive (Costigors - better than Goldhorns). The Razorgore is just... wow... that's an awful model. And 13 piece no less - have fun when all those spikes keep breaking off.

The characters are nice. I like the Doom Bull and the Dark Omen guy.

I rather like the new models, actually. This is Chaos we're talking about, not simple anthromorphic animals. They're meant to look deformed.

But it's not Chaos any more. It's just 'Beastmen'. They've taken the Chaos out of Beasts of Chaos, much like they took the Chaos out of Chaos Space Marines.

Who's writing this army book, BTW?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Minotaurs are horrific. The Bestigors are too static and too expensive (Costigors - better than Goldhorns). The Razorgore is just... wow... that's an awful model. And 13 piece no less - have fun when all those spikes keep breaking off.

The characters are nice. I like the Doom Bull and the Dark Omen guy.

Costigors?

That's OK, but I prefer the previously mentioned Bestigolds, in keeping with the earlier theme set with the Goldswords.

So, maybe then Goldgors?

Either way, please everyone, vote with your wallets on these 'things', or we'll never see the end of these insane pricing schemes!

Cheese Elemental wrote: This is Chaos we're talking about, not simple anthromorphic animals. They're meant to look deformed.

Yes, but I prefer deformed as is "a thing out of my nightmares", not deformed as in "just came out of a cancer ward". The Chaos models from other lines get to look deformed without looking like they need a walker to get to the battlefield. Why can't beastment get the same treatment?

What really pisses me off is the Malagor model.

The model looks nice, but the fluff. So what, Moghur all of a sudden just is forgotten? In GW's lame attempt to give the Beastmen book more options, they simply cut-and-paste characters and gave them slightly different names and abilities...

And the Razorgor looks freaking ridiculous. What the hell, is this Babe the Pig on Steroids?

Woah, much much better with those pics... guess im starting BoC after all

Mekboy wrote:£25 of 10 bestigor.

Oh dear. From henceforth, they shall be known as Costigor.

You shall go down in GW history , for the creator of meme "Costigor"

It's not a meme. It's a nickname.

And it's not exactly groundbreaking either, it was coined pretty much when the product list was announced.

Kanluwen wrote:It's not a meme. It's a nickname.
And it's not exactly groundbreaking either, it was coined pretty much when the product list was announced.

Psh! because i crowned him first !

Cheese Elemental wrote:I rather like the new models, actually. This is Chaos we're talking about, not simple anthromorphic animals. They're meant to look deformed.

Ya the problem is... it doesnt look deformed as in mutation. It looks like the sculptor cant sculpt buff muscle , aka CATACHAN ( know what i mean? )

@BrookM , Im still screaming :'D a different angle does little to "improve" what we saw from the poster.

@ everyone who apparently doesn't play ogres, or just everyone:

The paint job on the mins don't them no justice, look at the pre-order sprue pics, and make a judgement from there.

You'll notice that they look very similar to the ogres from the back. The head, and front legs (the back looks fine) can be fixed with a file, and a small amount of green stuff for fur. The foofs look fine.

How can you compare minotaurs to IRL animals?

Very minor problems, but they are still miles ahead of the metal ones.

Luchador Minotaur of Doom wrote:@ everyone who apparently doesn't play ogres, or just everyone:

The paint job on the mins don't them no justice, look at the pre-order sprue pics, and make a judgement from there.

You'll notice that they look very similar to the ogres from the back. The head, and front legs (the back looks fine) can be fixed with a file, and a small amount of green stuff for fur. The foofs look fine.

How can you compare minotaurs to IRL animals?

Very minor problems, but they are still miles ahead of the metal ones.

See thats where the problem lies.
1) You are comparing it ogre kingdom plastic , which i agree with you its the same , however just as bad.
2) You give little to no credit to the members that doesnt like the sculpt. You assume we arnt capable of looking past the paint job that "dont them no justice"
3) Sure they look like ogres , sure anything can be altered via some filing and GSing , sorry but i dont see the point.

Lastly we dont need to compare minos to IRL animals , take the minos from Avatar of War for example , now THAT is a proper sculpt.

But no worries , i realize that everything that i just said is just my dumb opinion.
And no worries for GW , i'll still buy the minos minus the costigors.

Some better pics...

[Mod Edit - GW has said hotlinking dierectly to their website for images is a no-no. Please only post links, unless you've hosted the pictures elsewhere yourself. Thanks!]

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1350004&rootCatGameStyle=wh

And there you go. Have a nice time.

Hey guys,are Beastmen a new army ? because last time i checked they were beasts of chaos

Who painted the Razorgor? It is a shocking paint job...

The minotaurs look like they were sculpted by Rob Liefield...


The ungors are my favorites, followed by the gors, but then again they look like the old models.

The only let down on the doombull is the flipper feet.

Best names I've read so far:

Minotaurs:
Vomitaurs
Steroitaurs

Razorgor:
Pumbagor

I saw those "Things" that call themselves Beastmen and died a little inside-What has GW done to the first army I ever collected?! This is not what I hoped for at all.

Granted, the Doombull is IMO covered in awsomesauce, and though expensive I do like the new Bestigolds, but-Why aren't those gors skirmishing? Why do the Ungors have such human face's? Why is that abomonation they're calling a razordon allowed to be sold anywhere in the world? And what the feth is 'Malagor' doing in Morgurs spot?

Very very dissapointing GW .

Hmmm... not the strongest release ever... especially after the skaven... i will start with the positives first

Ungors: great, real satyr vibe
Gors: similar, but nice
Doom bull: I like it, luckily better than his plastic counterparts. the head actually looks bovine
Razorgor: wow, so bad, but so good, like a bad horror film, it feels so tongue in cheek, with the bulging eyes and tripping over pose
Characters: Nothing to complain about, quite like the centigor guy, quite understated compared to other recent character sculpts

Bad stuff
Minotaurs: not quite as bad as i thought, main problem is the poses and the heads
Bestigors: the worst of the lot, seriously awful... and goldsword prices? the sprues make no sense whatso ever, could easily be fit on 1 sprue, and the poses? someone really dropped the ball on these.

As i said, not the greatest release, but still some positives

The only thing I like in the whole release is the characters, and they are overpriced $$$. I'll be converting or using alternate or older models for everything else. Hopefully the rules don't suck or they'll be shelved until next edition, just like WOC.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I rather like the new models, actually. This is Chaos we're talking about, not simple anthromorphic animals. They're meant to look deformed.

there is a clear difference between deformed 'cool chaos' and utter , these sculpts are not only disapointing when compared to the last release of beasts of chaos and the most recent WFB release, but when compared to other companies with only 5% of the money of GW like avatars of war, red bow games and raging heroes make the sculpture who worked on this release look like a child with playdo.

Brother Chaplain Ginn wrote:If you own beasts already what models will you buy? If you dont already own the Army what is inspireing enough for you to start? Id say not much.

Wow... I think Brother Chaplain Ginn nailed it. Man, those are some fugley models! Aside from a character or two, I really don't see any thing there that I'll be adding to my own BoC army. The Minotaurs are just bad. The (likely) Goldigors are meh. And the less said about the Pumbagor, the better...

About the only think I'm remotely interested in, aside from the odd character, are the Ungors with bows. Nice addition. But aside from that? I'll be sticking with what I already own.

Ugh. I guess I have to hope that the rules are balanced against the other Army Books out there, cuz there's nothing in the miniatures line that gets me excited about my Beasts again.

Vale,

JohnS

I'll be buying a few boxes of the existing Gors/Ungors, and that's about it. Not a single new-release model.

I have 3 of the old metal minotaurs w/GW and I think they look better.
Gorthor Beastlord + 1 Tuskgor Chariot = 2 chariots
Kazrak One-Eye for a hero.

So with just some core infantry added I should have the 500-750pt. "allied" beastman force to field alongside 2000pts. of Daemons and ~500pts. of WoC to simulate the old combined Chaos army. Nowhere near as tactically interesting/useful as when I devised it during 6th edition, but oh well...

@ Waaagh_Gonads - perfect. The Liefeld comparison is PERFECT. (maybe they should have more pouches)

The new angle still doesn't make me like the Minotaurs. They're still over-the-top cartoony and still don't fit the rest of the range. I think they'd be alright if they just lost about 25% of their muscle bulk. As is, you just want to paint them green.

The Razorgor is silly, but for whatever reason it doesn't bother me as much. Probably because I think it can be improved just by trimming down those OTT spines.

The rest of the range is pretty nice IMO. But I'm glad I already have much of what I need to build a small Beasts army. I couldn't bring myself to drop $$ on those Roidotaurs.

I love the Razorgore model, if only for the fact that the paintjob makes him look like he's coked out of his mind.

Damn...I'm relieved that the skaven release didn't get hit by the ugly stick as hard as the beastmen.

I deleted the parts in my post talking abut models, everything has been said.

One thing: What is the goal of this release? I mean seriously, if the army book is not as insanely powerful as the demon army book I don't see many people starting beasts. I don't know for sure but I think that all this splitting up the three fractions is costing GW serious money. Or were you people hyped by the other chaos releases (Warriors of Chaos and Demons of Chaos)? I would say you can summarize it with an overall meh.

I just hope that Fantasy doesn't lose it's major antagonist that way. "Well, our fiercest enemy are those chaos guys up north but we hardly fight against those because their armies are so butt-ugly and no one wants to play them anymore..."

Greets
Schepp himself