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But as each Codex is sillier than the next, it should fit the trend

SonicPara wrote:

Formosa wrote:someone do the math hammer for 20 necrons rapid fireing with bs 4, im pretty sure this would kill... well pretty much everything

40 Shots
26-27 Hits
About 13 Wounds on MEQ, at least 2 being rending.
MEQ fail one rending on 4+ cover save, and about 4 on 3+ armour save.
About 5 MEQ dead on average from 20 Rapid Firing S4 Rending Necron Warriors.

out of 27 dice you are telling me only 2 6's... experience tell me thats not true, but if thats the maths thats the maths

I'm going to test it out, and see for myself, be back in a couple of days

Formosa wrote:out of 27 dice you are telling me only 2 6's... experience tell me thats not true, but if thats the maths thats the maths

I'm going to test it out, and see for myself, be back in a couple of days

You are right, I apologize. I was taking 1 out of every 6 wounds instead of 1 out of every 6 hits. Here is the revised breakdown:

MEQ/Crisis Suits

40 Shots
26-27 Hits
About 13 Wounds on MEQ, at least 4 (5 would be rare) being rending.
MEQ fail 2 rending on 4+ cover save, and about 3 on 3+ armour save.
About 5 MEQ dead on average from 20 Rapid Firing S4 Rending Necron Warriors. Unit of three XV8s is killed down to one suit with one wound left.

Non-MEQ (Fire Warriors)

40 Shots
26-27 Hits
17-18 Wounds, at least 4 (5 would be rare) of which should be rending.
2 fail rending saves on 4+ cover, about 7 fail armor saves on 4+.
About 9 dead Fire Warriors

The end results are the same but they are significantly better when shooting at a unit without a cover save. Poses more of a threat to vehicles and 2+ save models too.

ah right, that seems to make sense.

do the maths for AP1 aswell please, but not rending

im curious how that idea would pan out

How about this for Gauss, they decrease the save of the enemy. Maybe you can get no better armour save than a 4+ unless the Gauss gun would already inflict more damage. Does that sound more balanced than universal rending?

the problem with 4+ save thing is the same as the old chopper rule, it penalised termies but not guardman, didnt make alot of sense

Formosa wrote:the problem with 4+ save thing is the same as the old chopper rule, it penalised termies but not guardman, didnt make alot of sense

Not sure what the old chopper rule is, but still think I get what you're saying.


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Actually instead of reducing armour to a flat 4+ it decreases it by one. So termies become 3+, does that sound better or is it still wonky?

The gun itself could have AP- or keep it AP 5

How about we have it treat everyone as having 6+ armour, but being ap -

Ork armour for all

unfortunatly i think for the Gauss gun it will have to be Rending or ap 1/2, i cannot see GW doing modifiers ever again (much to my anoyance)

Just a flat -1 save modifier would be a lot more sensible than what you folks are saying. 2+ becomes 3+, 5+ becomes 6+, 6+ becomes nothing. The only units who aren't affected are grots and daemons, pretty much.

true Brother SRM, i totally agree 10000000000000%

GW on the other hand... how many ASM do you see in 40k these days?

To me it always sounded like in the fluff from the current dex that back in the day the necrons were one of three powerhouses and that 2 of them were harvesting and drained things dry. So to come out of stasis to find a great many battle hardened races (the three created to destroy them still floating around no less) it would make sense for the C'tan to gives the lords and such a little of their free will back so they could more readily adapt to the new still unknown threats they might face.

As for rules I always felt that w/ all the 12 inch moves/mobile firepower the crons had a very blitzkrieg feel. I hope Whatever may be the new codex goes for that kind of feel once more.

Ok. I play Necrons (someone said no one plays them) and I had not played since 1st edition. Talk about a simpler game!!!! You are complaining about how hard WBB is to understand... LOL. Should try the 1st edition Ork rules. (The army I used to play.) I am excited to see what become of Necrons. I have over 100 warriors, and am looking forward to some other plastic minis. I hope they keep with the limited choices, but not quite as limited.

jonnyb

JonnyB wrote:Ok. I play Necrons (someone said no one plays them) and I had not played since 1st edition. Talk about a simpler game!!!! You are complaining about how hard WBB is to understand... LOL. Should try the 1st edition Ork rules. (The army I used to play.) I am excited to see what become of Necrons. I have over 100 warriors, and am looking forward to some other plastic minis. I hope they keep with the limited choices, but not quite as limited.

jonnyb

1st Edition? *insert Inigo Montoya picture here* It doesn't mean what you think it means.

there were not any necrons in first

they went by another name... cookie to who knows it

Formosa wrote:there were not any necrons in first

they went by another name... cookie to who knows it

He didnae say there were, just that Necrons were the army he picked when coming back to the game...

The only thing I can remember is the Chaos Android?

Slinky wrote:

Formosa wrote:there were not any necrons in first

they went by another name... cookie to who knows it

He didnae say there were, just that Necrons were the army he picked when coming back to the game...

The only thing I can remember is the Chaos Android?

yes. Chaos Androids.

Built by chaos squats..

Ah..ancient Epic... i miss you

Delays in the new Necron Codex? Cryx-Cron is not amused!
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There are no "delays" in the Necron Codex, it was finished ages ago. When they decide to release it, they'll release it. Unless they already announced a release date and postponed that, which they haven't, then there's no delay there either.

BrassScorpion wrote:There are no "delays" in the Necron Codex, it was finished ages ago. When they decide to release it, they'll release it. Unless they already announced a release date and postponed that, which they haven't, then there's no delay there either.

Then I may stay on my schedule for waking the tomb up.

BrassScorpion wrote:There are no "delays" in the Necron Codex, it was finished ages ago.

We were told just two weeks ago that it isn't finished, and that the fluff side still isn't set in stone.

Depending on the Models and the Dex, i migth make a try with Crons and model them as some kind of Necromancers in 40k...

Would be interresting...

BrassScorpion wrote:There are no "delays" in the Necron Codex, it was finished ages ago. When they decide to release it, they'll release it. Unless they already announced a release date and postponed that, which they haven't, then there's no delay there either.

When/Where did you hear this? it seems contrary to the recent rumors, but if you know something different, please share!

My point was simply that something can't be "delayed" unless it fails to meet a schedule. Since as customers we are not privy to what schedule GW would like to release it on, then from where we're sitting there's been no delay because there's been no failure to meet an (announced) schedule. GW will decide to release it when they want and they are free to change their mind as many times as they like.

As for whether or not it comes out this year, again GW can shuffle their release schedule as they see fit, but I would think at this point that Necrons are at least as likely as anything else that has not yet been announced and probably more likely than many things as yet unannounced. By the time we see something in stores it's been done months, sometimes years already, boxed and ready for distribution. Then GW finds what they believe is an opportune date to market and release it. If people thought Necrons would be released this year for good reasons, then there's still a good chance for that because the bulk of manufacturing and packaging would have already been completed to meet such a schedule.

That does sound quite reasonable Brassscorpion, I myself am looking forwards to seeing how they make the Necrons fit the present edition of the game.

Pretty much every legitimate rumor monger out there has said the rumor about any delay in the release of the Necron book, is untrue. I'd bet all 6500pts of Necrons I own that it will be out by the end of this year.

Exactly, I only have at present 4 lords, deceiver, 2 warrior squads and some scarabs at present.

Scarey Nerd wrote:But as each Codex is sillier than the next, it should fit the trend

This also applies to the fluff.

Over the smoke of the battlefield, the broken remnants of the Tyranid forces lay in disarray. Dying hormagaunts bleated out their death throes, their bodies riddled with high caliber shoota shells and partially discorporated by exotic gauss weaponry. The two remaining foes eyed each other warily as they approached each other over this scene of carnage: The barbaric Ork warlord Grimgutz, power klaw still dripping with alien viscera, stared down the approaching Necron Lord M'katz in his hoverboard mode. M'katz transformed into a skeletal robotic humanoid - his cruel evil features were the epitome of evil cruelness - and stood before him, his purple cape glittering in the wind, his gold tooth gleaming. "Yo, homes!" he exclaimed. "Those Tyranids were wack, you know what I'm sayin'? My crew is mad low on Dilithium power cores right now, and we's about to go into status lock, for reals."

Warlord Grimgutz thought this over, the effort clear on his thick brow. "Me boyz took a right wicked pounding. Orkses is never beat, but maybe we need more boyz."

M'Katz gestured towards his skeletal robotic destroyers, riding on on their skeletal robotic spiders. "I feel you. Lets roll like this: I go my way, you go yours, and we catch each other on the flipside, right?" Grimgutz nodded in agreement. The two fist-bumped in agreement. M'katz winked at Grimgutz, before transforming into his alien robotic spyplane mode and flying off into the twinkling night stars, his theme music fading into the distance .

Ouze wrote:
This also applies to the fluff.

Over the smoke of the battlefield, the broken remnants of the Tyranid forces lay in disarray. Dying hormagaunts bleated out their death throes, their bodies riddled with high caliber shoota shells and partially discorporated by exotic gauss weaponry. The two remaining foes eyed each other warily as they approached each other over this scene of carnage: The barbaric Ork warlord Grimgutz, power klaw still dripping with alien viscera, stared down the approaching Necron Lord M'katz in his hoverboard mode. M'katz transformed into a skeletal robotic humanoid - his cruel evil features were the epitome of evil cruelness - and stood before him, his purple cape glittering in the wind, his gold tooth gleaming. "Yo, homes!" he exclaimed. "Those Tyranids were wack, you know what I'm sayin'? My crew is mad low on Dilithium power cores right now, and we's about to go into status lock, for reals."

Warlord Grimgutz thought this over, the effort clear on his thick brow. "Me boyz took a right wicked pounding. Orkses is never beat, but maybe we need more boyz."

M'Katz gestured towards his skeletal robotic destroyers, riding on on their skeletal robotic spiders. "I feel you. Lets roll like this: I go my way, you go yours, and we catch each other on the flipside, right?" Grimgutz nodded in agreement. The two fist-bumped in agreement. M'katz winked at Grimgutz, before transforming into his alien robotic spyplane mode and flying off into the twinkling night stars, his theme music fading into the distance .

:-D