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Is there any word if they are putting models together? Like hiveguard x 3 for one box?

In monetary terms, I don't actually mind the slight price increase for some resin models *that much*. Sale price is determined by what the consumer thinks it is worth, and in my opinion, resin is a better material than metal and I would pay slightly more.
What I do mind is the greed that is oozing out of GW at the moment. They could have been happy with drastically reducing production costs. Profits would have soared. adding a price hike (quite substantial in some cases) at the same time as people know materials cost is decreasing is just insulting. I think that is what people are more angry about: our wallets can suffer the extra dollar or two, but GW is slapping us in the face, telling us they don't actually want us as customers anymore. Combined with significant price hikes on plastic kits, and trade embargoes, this is the end to suffering through GW's bullying for most people.
GW's products aren't so much significantly better than their competition now. In fact, their rules are significantly worse. If everyone posting hate does go through with their threats to quit, I think GW will be hurting when their next financials come out.

Trasvi wrote:In monetary terms, I don't actually mind the slight price increase for some resin models *that much*. Sale price is determined by what the consumer thinks it is worth, and in my opinion, resin is a better material than metal and I would pay slightly more.
What I do mind is the greed that is oozing out of GW at the moment. They could have been happy with drastically reducing production costs. Profits would have soared. adding a price hike (quite substantial in some cases) at the same time as people know materials cost is decreasing is just insulting. I think that is what people are more angry about: our wallets can suffer the extra dollar or two, but GW is slapping us in the face, telling us they don't actually want us as customers anymore. Combined with significant price hikes on plastic kits, and trade embargoes, this is the end to suffering through GW's bullying for most people.
GW's products aren't so much significantly better than their competition now. In fact, their rules are significantly worse. If everyone posting hate does go through with their threats to quit, I think GW will be hurting when their next financials come out.

I think you nailed it. It's that double whammy of reducing production costs and simultaneously raising prices that has so many people upset. While GW dominated the market for many years, they've gotten too comfortable at the top, and lots of other companies are aiming for their spot. The problem is, even if every angry poster on dakka actually quits, it will take a while for GW to notice and appreciate the effect. It'll be attributed to the switch to resin at first.

What we need and what GW needs, is a proper rival.

Ravenous D wrote:

Tyrolean wrote:Firstly, is Failcast going to try and kill me with it's prices and cancerous dust? The fragility of resin is also very troublesome, metal might be time consuming to pin properly but if it makes impact it's going to destroy something instead of shattering.

$45 for Chaos raptors? lol I'm sure they'll sell more

According to GW it is totally safe and kid friendly. From what I was told, you dont have to clean them either, GW just suggests that you do not file them as it will scratch the surface.

Know anything more on the physical properties of this material? Besides health issues I've worried about brittleness and strength, if they're going to charge such a premium for their products I'd hope they'd hold up at least as well as the metals.

1.) Material is supposedly not hazardous as resin dust.
2.) It is lighter (doh).
3.) It is able to show finer and more crisp details.
4.) It is slightly flexible. This can make assembly easier o some models.
5.) Washing the model is optional, but not obligatory as with some resin.
6.) Plastic glue doesn't work, use super glue or 2art epoxy glue.
7.) There might be flash as in metal models, better cut it with a knife than file it, as filing might roughen the surface (not sure if that is a hidden hint that dust might be still hazardous, but ATM they say otherwise).

ive heard its not complete resin but a hybrid of plastic and other materials meaning its only dangerous if digested but it still doesn't account for the price increase unless theres some gold in there or something.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) Material is supposedly not hazardous as resin dust.
2.) It is lighter (doh).
3.) It is able to show finer and more crisp details.
4.) It is slightly flexible. This can make assembly easier o some models.
5.) Washing the model is optional, but not obligatory as with some resin.
6.) Plastic glue doesn't work, use super glue or 2art epoxy glue.
7.) There might be flash as in metal models, better cut it with a knife than file it, as filing might roughen the surface (not sure if that is a hidden hint that dust might be still hazardous, but ATM they say otherwise).

I'd really love to be able to compare Eldar metals to this new Finecast. All for anything not metal, but concerned about price hikes, like most folks are.

Is there any word on the status of specialist games?

Hmmm interesting. Thanks for the info! I guess we'll see in a week how this goes....

Shigematsu wrote:What we need and what GW needs, is a proper rival.

GW's rival is all of the rest of wargaming.

GW present what I like to call the HHHobby -- a very enclosed world with a couple of rule sets you have to play with official figures, terrain, paints, even glue, all of which happen to be very expensive.

The rest of wargaming covers everything you can imagine or read about in history, SF and fantasy, at practically any scale.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Shigematsu wrote:What we need and what GW needs, is a proper rival.

GW's rival is all of the rest of wargaming.

GW present what I like to call the HHHobby -- a very enclosed world with a couple of rule sets you have to play with official figures, terrain, paints, even glue, all of which happen to be very expensive.

The rest of wargaming covers everything you can imagine or read about in history, SF and fantasy, at practically any scale.

As Just Dave has said in another thread, terrain, paints and glue can be bought elsewhere and maybe this is a good focus for our wrath.

I got my clawed fiends- so that other list was definitely just things out of stock, because they're good old-fashioned metal.

The sculpt is out of this world awesome, in my opinion, too

Lelith Hesperax is still $12 at my FLGS.....tempting me.

I've never understood why people buy GW's glue/terrain fixins/green stuff. It's all stupidly overpriced, I can get 3' of kneadatite on eBay for $16. Their glue and primer is terrible, and sand is sand

Actually, their plastic glue is excellent, in my opinion... I've tried a few others and didn't like them as much, and switched back.

For super glue, Gorilla-brand is far superior, however!

RiTides wrote:Actually, their plastic glue is excellent, in my opinion... I've tried a few others and didn't like them as much, and switched back.

For super glue, Gorilla-brand is far superior, however!

For plastics try Revell Contacta professional with the metal applicator... It will last you a lifetime and its very accurate.

I'm actually a big fan of their superglue; I could get nothing to work trying to construct an obliterator (frickin' hate that model), but GW Superglue worked perfectly* and I haven't looked back since...

*Probably some sneaky ploy at work there.

RiTides wrote:

For super glue, Gorilla-brand is far superior, however!

P'shaw! Loctite Gel is the canine's testicles!


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NAVARRO wrote:

RiTides wrote:Actually, their plastic glue is excellent, in my opinion... I've tried a few others and didn't like them as much, and switched back.

For super glue, Gorilla-brand is far superior, however!

For plastics try Revell Contacta professional with the metal applicator... It will last you a lifetime and its very accurate.

I concur!

filbert wrote:

RiTides wrote:

For super glue, Gorilla-brand is far superior, however!

P'shaw! Loctite Gel is the canine's testicles!

The man's got a point:

Tyrolean wrote:
I've never understood why people buy GW's glue/terrain fixins/green stuff. It's all stupidly overpriced, I can get 3' of kneadatite on eBay for $16. Their glue and primer is terrible, and sand is sand

Convenience.

Why do people buy candy, magazines, or drinks from the whole 'scamscheme' area next to the checkout counter at the grocery store? Or coffee when they get gas for their cars, etc.

Convenience, Tyrolean.

I've been using Zap-a-gap thin and regular, been pleased with it so far. For plastics I've stuck with Testors, the red tubed stuff. $1.50 instead of.....$6.60??? Geez

NAVARRO wrote:

RiTides wrote:Actually, their plastic glue is excellent, in my opinion... I've tried a few others and didn't like them as much, and switched back.

For super glue, Gorilla-brand is far superior, however!

For plastics try Revell Contacta professional with the metal applicator... It will last you a lifetime and its very accurate.

Ya I've been looking at that or the Testors equivalent once I run out of all my tubes

RiTides wrote:Actually, their plastic glue is excellent, in my opinion... I've tried a few others and didn't like them as much, and switched back.

For super glue, Gorilla-brand is far superior, however!

I agree. I've had nothing but success with GW hobby products. I tried getting some different grass for bases, and I didn't like it as much. GW's snip-snaps, brushes and PVA glue are all excellent, and irreplaceable, IMO.

I disagree about that last part, but since gorilla uses GW's old super glue bottles, I may very well pick some up. I love the old bottles. the brush is nice, but it's different...

Tyrolean wrote:I've been using Zap-a-gap thin and regular, been pleased with it so far.

I was using zap-a-gap (might have been the green bottle instead) on my oblit's and it wasn't working, which was when I used GW superglue with success...

Have you been using the brush on stuff, or the old, indiscriminate bottles? I agree that GW has some of the best super glue. It smells much better than some of the other stuff I've used too. That's important, especially when you're standing over it for hours at a time putting a new unit together

Honestly, I can't remember...

Samus_aran115 wrote:Have you been using the brush on stuff, or the old, indiscriminate bottles? I agree that GW has some of the best super glue. It smells much better than some of the other stuff I've used too. That's important, especially when you're standing over it for hours at a time putting a new unit together

LOL. Their superglue has a particularly acrid smell imo. I use Loctite Superglue (Precision) for metals and Citadels plastic glue for plastics. I have used the Revell Contacta with the metal applicator, but mine got clogged up after a while. Anyone have any tips on how to avoid that?

Just Dave wrote:

Tyrolean wrote:I've been using Zap-a-gap thin and regular, been pleased with it so far.

I was using zap-a-gap (might have been the green bottle instead) on my oblit's and it wasn't working, which was when I used GW superglue with success...

Hmmm odd, although if I'm doing any serious pinning I usually do some roughing with diamond files and then wash it up to get the best bond possible.

The brand of Superglue is not nearly as important as the type/viscosity. All hobbyists owe it to themselves to have both a thick gap filling superglue and a thin watery superglue on hand at their workspace.

I have a hunch that the many folks who glue them selves to their work were using a thin runny superglue to attach metal parts when they should have been using a thicker gap-fililng super glue.

Likewise, when you've got two parts that are perfectly flat or an existing join that needs strenghthening, don't reach for the thick glue.

I've used many brands and never had a problem with them so long as I was using the right kind.

Kanluwen wrote:

Tyrolean wrote:
I've never understood why people buy GW's glue/terrain fixins/green stuff. It's all stupidly overpriced, I can get 3' of kneadatite on eBay for $16. Their glue and primer is terrible, and sand is sand

Convenience.

Why do people buy candy, magazines, or drinks from the whole 'scamscheme' area next to the checkout counter at the grocery store? Or coffee when they get gas for their cars, etc.

Convenience, Tyrolean.

Exactly so. I have always said this. A lot of GW's tools and stuff are pretty good, just very expensive.

We are vets, though, and we know how to buy stuff better and cheaper from other sources.

Sorry if this disrupts the off topic discussion

June will see the following Tomb King models as a Finecast release (thanks to Archibald_TK on Warseer for posting these):

Casket of Souls - 45.5€
Ushabti with Bows - 39€
Ushabti with GW - 39€
Tomb King with GW - 12.5€
Lich Priest - 12.5€
Necrotech - 12.5€
Prince Apophas - 15€

Tlotsqi over at Warseer also confirmed Haemunculus, Wracks (26€) and Grotesques (WD next week will show).

Another tidbit:

ghost21 wrote:

BramGaunt wrote:No, the new format fits the blister racks. No need to redesign. The new pack is only a little bigger than a blister, afaik, and the boxes fit with the other GW standart boxes aswell. As a matter of fact, I don't think the 5 man boxes will change on the outside at all, only the Citadel Finecast Logo will be somewhere. Probably all across it, on a second thought...

But even these blister "racks" will only be in stores until they are sold, then they go back to being direct only.