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I bet they either sent an old file to the printer or an editors mark up copy full of change this notes

 alleus wrote:
The Horus Heresy book is delayed with no new release date, because of quality checks.

Read more here.

EDIT: Aww, ninja'd!

Weird thing though if they made announcement for them to be on pre-order this week either the pre-order date was going to be longer than week or they print those in-house. Def not China print as it wouldn't get in time for sales in even few weeks.

So if it's China print either they had books IN hand already so now ordered new prints or the pre-order was "delivery on february 2018" or similar.

It is possible the rulebook is still printed in China, but the size of the print run small enough to ship it to the UK by air. So it could still be released soon.

It's quite possible they were printed in China, and arrived wrong.

In order to hit deadline, they then had it reprinted in the UK, but can't quite hit their hoped-for deadline.

Who knows? Speculation is speculative

Im surprised they didnt release something else instead.

I welcome this awareness. Hopefully it will be more their usual level of errors and issues and not on par with the mess that was Inferno.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I welcome this awareness. Hopefully it will be more their usual level of errors and issues and not on par with the mess that was Inferno.

Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?

Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.

 kronk wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I welcome this awareness. Hopefully it will be more their usual level of errors and issues and not on par with the mess that was Inferno.

Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?

Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.

Yea, it is a refined 7th Edition. Which makes the Horus Heresy ostensibly a specialist game now, since it deviated from the core rules. I think it gives FW a bit more freedom to be more true to the setting.

Well 7th isn't so bad using HH because there's no ap2 spam which invalidated so many units in 40k.

Tactical Support Squads with Plasma Guns or Melta?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tactical Support Squads with Plasma Guns or Melta?

Horribly expensive though and not even that hard to remove. 325 pts on 10 guys with T4 3+ save on 24" range. They vanish rather easily.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tactical Support Squads with Plasma Guns or Melta?

Hard to spam those effectively, as they are not a Comp Troop.

Clearly they felt it was worth proof-reading a rulebook all about Space Marines fighting Space Marines, unlike the AM and Xenos Index books.

Oh, interesting. Forgeworld delayed a book. In other news, Virginia has deer, and water is wet.

The interesting thing here is the fact that it failed a QA check. What in god’s name did they find in it? If they didn’t stop to wonder what they were doing when they released their indices for 8th, and stopped for this one, I genuinely fear what’s going on.

Unless they want higher quality writing about Space Marines fighting Space Marines and pulped the whole run because they misspelled Guilliman’s name,

 Verviedi wrote:
Oh, interesting. Forgeworld delayed a book. In other news, Virginia has deer, and water is wet.

The interesting thing here is the fact that it failed a QA check. What in god’s name did they find in it? If they didn’t stop to wonder what they were doing when they released their indices for 8th, and stopped for this one, I genuinely fear what’s going on.

Unless they want higher quality writing about Space Marines fighting Space Marines and pulped the whole run because they misspelled Guilliman’s name,

Well they have been working on this book for quite a while. Likely lot longer than indexes by order of multiples after being surprised by 8th...Not to mention it's their biggest cash cow so yeah they likely care more about that than 40k.

 Verviedi wrote:
Oh, interesting. Forgeworld delayed a book. In other news, Virginia has deer, and water is wet.

The interesting thing here is the fact that it failed a QA check. What in god’s name did they find in it? If they didn’t stop to wonder what they were doing when they released their indices for 8th, and stopped for this one, I genuinely fear what’s going on.

Unless they want higher quality writing about Space Marines fighting Space Marines and pulped the whole run because they misspelled Guilliman’s name,

Probably found another bunch of tourists wandering Prospero

If it's a printing issue with the qulity of say images and the text itself, one could argue that they should atleast release the digital version. However, if there was something written wrong, like incorrect stats or some other rule issue, then everything needs to be fixed.

Maybe they don't want to release the digital version if they can't release the physical version at the same time though. Shame if that's the case.

But hey, they did give us this cool wallpaper:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
But hey, they did give us this cool wallpaper:

Weird choice. Shouldn't a Mastodon be smashing through a wall? I mean, if they want to just drop dudes off, use a Land Raider.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Im surprised they didnt release something else instead.

They did! A free wallpaper, didn't you see it?

str00dles1 wrote:
Well, FW does a pretty piss poor job at supporting it. Just releasing models doesn't count. Perhaps one day they will plan to expand into LOTR and bring it back to how it was and this is just to keep the license going under FW/GW. I loved War of the Ring and the Skirmish LOTR that came after, but all those pieces are like Gold as they are Webstore exclusives and cost as much if not more to have a force then a 40k army is. At least with 40k you can still get 30% off. I hope it surges back one day, I really do, but til then, its just pictures of pretty models.

I've got good news for you, then! The newly redesigned Battle Companies (the "LOTR skirmish" you mentioned) comes out next month in hardcover, and LOTR/Hobbit gets officially relaunched (and rebranded) next year as Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game. Additionally, GW has been re-releasing out of production models, and lowering the prices on models that were too expensive. The Middle-Earth team at GW - the team dedicated solely to the LOTR/Hobbit license, releases, models, etc, also expanded recently.

 judgedoug wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
Well, FW does a pretty piss poor job at supporting it. Just releasing models doesn't count. Perhaps one day they will plan to expand into LOTR and bring it back to how it was and this is just to keep the license going under FW/GW. I loved War of the Ring and the Skirmish LOTR that came after, but all those pieces are like Gold as they are Webstore exclusives and cost as much if not more to have a force then a 40k army is. At least with 40k you can still get 30% off. I hope it surges back one day, I really do, but til then, its just pictures of pretty models.

I've got good news for you, then! The newly redesigned Battle Companies (the "LOTR skirmish" you mentioned) comes out next month in hardcover, and LOTR/Hobbit gets officially relaunched (and rebranded) next year as Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game. Additionally, GW has been re-releasing out of production models, and lowering the prices on models that were too expensive. The Middle-Earth team at GW - the team dedicated solely to the LOTR/Hobbit license, releases, models, etc, also expanded recently.

I assume it won’t be sold in the rebranded Warhammer stores?

I love the creative work the FW studio does. I'm a fan. But I also can't stick my head in the sand and say it's a good thing that they're managing the core rules for HH now, given their the continuing errors and issues with their publications.

 kronk wrote:
Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?

Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.

I feel like 30K is rapidly becoming a game primarily played at big events and gatherings. Many people don't have strong, thriving local 30K communities, especially after the decision to stick with 7th.

Loopstah wrote:
Clearly they felt it was worth proof-reading a rulebook all about Space Marines fighting Space Marines, unlike the AM and Xenos Index books.

So, so true...

For the record, we are still waiting for the missing datasheets they promised to release
months ago...

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
Well, FW does a pretty piss poor job at supporting it. Just releasing models doesn't count. Perhaps one day they will plan to expand into LOTR and bring it back to how it was and this is just to keep the license going under FW/GW. I loved War of the Ring and the Skirmish LOTR that came after, but all those pieces are like Gold as they are Webstore exclusives and cost as much if not more to have a force then a 40k army is. At least with 40k you can still get 30% off. I hope it surges back one day, I really do, but til then, its just pictures of pretty models.

I've got good news for you, then! The newly redesigned Battle Companies (the "LOTR skirmish" you mentioned) comes out next month in hardcover, and LOTR/Hobbit gets officially relaunched (and rebranded) next year as Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game. Additionally, GW has been re-releasing out of production models, and lowering the prices on models that were too expensive. The Middle-Earth team at GW - the team dedicated solely to the LOTR/Hobbit license, releases, models, etc, also expanded recently.

I assume it won’t be sold in the rebranded Warhammer stores?

I honestly couldn't tell you. The entire range moved to white-box direct order only as the "Lord of the Rings" and "Hobbit" branded packaging ran out, so one could speculate that new retail boxes with the new Middle Earth branding will be launched alongside the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game next year. The LOTR/Hobbit range still has dozens of plastic kits and two of the best plastic terrain kits GW has ever made, so we'll see!

 gorgon wrote:
I love the creative work the FW studio does. I'm a fan. But I also can't stick my head in the sand and say it's a good thing that they're managing the core rules for HH now, given their the continuing errors and issues with their publications.

 kronk wrote:
Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?

Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.

I feel like 30K is rapidly becoming a game primarily played at big events and gatherings. Many people don't have strong, thriving local 30K communities, especially after the decision to stick with 7th.

In other words, we're exactly where we were before the temporary spike in interest driven by the 30K plastics and accompanying boxed games. The reality is 30K was never going to get to a place where most people have strong, thriving local 30K communities unless it became a "proper GW" game system with an ongoing schedule of plastics releases which we now know isn't going to happen. All FW sticking with 7th has done is make that fact obvious by showing that most "30K communities" were a couple of folk in some gaming groups/shops who occasionally played each other but mostly just played 40K with 30K army lists and models.

It's a niche system and always will be unless it gets the aforementioned full-GW treatment, preorganised games/campaigns and big event games are its natural habitat, and I'll take FW's occasionally shonky rules-writing for a niche system over the slick all-plastic version you'd get from the main studio with GW-style fluff abominations any day of the week.

I went to the 30k doubles @ Warhammer World this weekend, it was a long way short from selling out, whereas the 40k doubles the same month @ Warhammer World is sold out already. I'm sure the last time I did the 30k doubles HH it was sold out?

I'm hoping they sort phosphex and shatter shells out as they have sorted invisibility. Get those three nerfed and I know from speaking to enough people at this weekend alone that the fun level of games against a power list in 30k will improve enormously.

Oh look. Space wolves.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/06/forge-world-preview-varagyr-terminators/

*cries softly and remembers prospero*

Not a fan. They look a bit third party-esque to me.

 zedmeister wrote:
Not a fan. They look a bit third party-esque to me.

Honestly, they look okay to me--but they look more like renders instead of completed models.