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and they still have enough Target Saturation to keep those missiles hard pressed.

But yes, ML's are nice weapon against almost everything Tyranids can field on the board.

Redemption wrote:

Fenris-77 wrote:A quick question for anyone who's read the German 'dex. Does the Tervigon's Catalyst rule say that it affects a 'friendly unit' or a 'tyranid unit'?

Catalyst:
Used in Movement phase. When successful, elect one (1) friendly unit within 12" of the Psyker. This unit has Feel No Pain untill the next Tyranid player's turn.

Well, well. That has some pretty gross applications for doubles play. 50 man IG PW blobs or full boyz squads with FNP anyone? Anyone at all?! Now all I have to do is figure out whether the Mawloc can rubber hawk and my RaI heresy for today will be complete.

It specifically states that he can't reburrow in the same turn he deepstrikes. Though I see a lot of people starting him on the board to make sure he comes in turn 2

Ahh, righty-o. I'm actually just fine with it not being a Rubber Hawk kind of thing. Excellent. I'll take my doubles gold Tervigon and go home happy on the day.

I'd be interested to see what other powers and abilities from the new book are 'friendly model or unit' too. Given the sheer number of cool abilities this Dex could be a doubles gold mine.

Redemption wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:Tervigon has some definate syneragy whether it be giving fleet to carnie squads or FNP to...well just about anything.

I don't see where Tervigons give Fleet to units. If you're thinking of the psychic powers that lets friendly units run and shoot, it says they can't assault afterwards unless they have Fleet.

Yeah, the psychic power is what I was refering to. The rumor was that it allowed a unit to run, shoot, and assault. So that rumor is wrong huh?

Chapterhouse wrote:Save your time and money, we are working on a fairly affordable kit to convert a Carnifex into the most popular HQ choice at the moment. Magnetize it and you can still use it as a carnifex as well.

Hurry, hurry, hurry! I've got more money than I do patience/time/skill. I will buy two kits as soon as they are available, I thinkyou'll be selling pairs of the kits to a whole lot of nid players.

As was said in another thread. I would prioritze the tervigon, followed by the spore pod. Then I would work on a tyrranofex kit and bonesword arms (both left and right) for warriors, and a set of 2x left handed and 1x right handed bonesword arms for the tyrant.

I'm sure you've got a schedule all worked out. I just want to make sure the tervigon is at the top of the list. It really is going to be in quite a few armies.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with!

Hulksmash wrote:The only thing missiles will still kill is warriors. Carnies with FNP only fear the wrath of the AP1 and 2! mauahahahahaahahahaah

Carnies Bah . I plan on giving FNP to 6 wound Mawlocs and Trygons who have fleet and can get stuck in.


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Hulksmash wrote:It specifically states that he can't reburrow in the same turn he deepstrikes. Though I see a lot of people starting him on the board to make sure he comes in turn 2

Hah! Not a bad idea .

That's why the Good Lord (Roboute Guilliman) invented Combat Tactics. I pity the poor quasi-heretics that never learned the advantages of advancing to the rear when targets of strategic importance become targets of opportunity.

Or you can just leave him off in reserves he still can DS from reserve I believe.

Do we know what units can Deepstrike with Pods or not?

Do warriors have the option?

Hollismason:

I think that the idea is if the Mawloc Deep Strikes from reserves he may not show up in Turn 2, whereas if he starts on the board and burrows, he'll be able to show up on Turn 2 automatically.

Can a tervigon give itself FNP through catalyst? I've got a translated version of the book now, but I don't know whether a unit counts as being friendly and within 12" of itself.

Can a unit be within 12" of itself? Yes, of course. How can a unit not be within 12" of itself, particularly if the unit is a single model. This ain't Russel's Paradox.

Can a unit count as being friendly? Yes, course. How can a unit not be friendly with itself? Kharn doesn't count, as he's doing his fellows a favour by making them sacred to Khorne.

Maybe he's chronically depressed and only feels alive when he's feeling pain, and is thus unfriendly to himself.

Yes, and we drive on parkways but park on driveways. Crazy!

Ooo, ooo, wait, if you've got the English codex, I gotta question. Do the drop pod spore things have any kind of special rule that says they're not allowed to be Scoring Units?

Aduro wrote:Ooo, ooo, wait, if you've got the English codex, I gotta question. Do the drop pod spore things have any kind of special rule that says they're not allowed to be Scoring Units?

Nope, but the translation doesn't seem to have what the 2 sentence blurb at the top of the codex unit entry has. So it could be in there. Either way it's a bad scoring unit considering it's size, ability to be insta killed, and poor save.

Didn't say it would be a Good one.

Nope, but the translation doesn't seem to have what the 2 sentence blurb at the top of the codex unit entry has. So it could be in there.

Pretty sure 'nicht-punktende' means the spore pod is non-scoring. Not 100% sure though.

Any idea on what units cannot take spore pods?

Not very impressed with the Harpy either. Doesn't seem like that great of a unit really.

Aduro wrote:Do the drop pod spore things have any kind of special rule that says they're not allowed to be Scoring Units?

It is stated in their army list entry that they are non-scoring units.

Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar wrote:

Aduro wrote:Do the drop pod spore things have any kind of special rule that says they're not allowed to be Scoring Units?

It is stated in their army list entry that they are non-scoring units.

Alrighty then. Had just noticed the previous leaked stuff didn't mention that, and I wondered if that slipped past their oversight or not. I think I'm planning on a foot slogging swarm anyways.

Pods are really great I just kind of want to know if Tyranid Warriors can get pods. Havn't seen anything of the sort.


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Pods are really great I just kind of want to know if Tyranid Warriors can get pods. Havn't seen anything of the sort.

Warriors can take pods, both gants and gaunts can take them if 20 or less, zoanthropes can take pods, carnifex, doom of malantai (the super zoanthrope), pyrovore (3 podding heavy flamers isn't bad), regular stealers.

Looks like two of my warrior units are now equipped illegally, other than that I'm excited for the 'dex.

Alright, I think I know what I want my Swarm to look like, and I'm wondering if someone who has a copy of the point values can give me an approximate value of this list as a whole so I know if it's too big or leaves me spare room for more toys. No individual breakdowns, and rounded to the nearest 100, and I'd be quite happy enough with that level of info.

Alpha Warrior with Bone Swords and Deathspitter
Parasite of Malanix (or whatever it's called)

2x Hive Guard
2x Venomthropes
Death Leaper

2x 20 man Termigaunts
2x 20 man Hormagaunts w/ Toxin Sacs
2x Tervigons w/ Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs and Adrenal Glands

20 man Gargoyles

Tyranofex with the Str 10 gun.

Hollismason wrote:Any idea on what units cannot take spore pods?

Not very impressed with the Harpy either. Doesn't seem like that great of a unit really.

Not sure on the harpy myself, but it can have twin linked heavy VC and is jump infantry. So if you are thinking that 200 pt carnies (with VC) are the bomb, then harpies should sound better since 1) it is more accurate with TL - increases chances from 50% accounting for favorable scatter to 75% ish or so 2) is more manueverable with wings 3) can actually chase down mech, something carnies won't do very well. Depending of whether you can both bomb (movement phase) and shoot strangle thorns (shooting phase) you could also have a pretty pottent anti-horde. Can't rememer the points though? Again, it comes down to army composition, are you going to spam TMC with wings...5 winged MC (2 flyrants) could be a very scary proposition.

wyomingfox wrote:

Hollismason wrote:Any idea on what units cannot take spore pods?

Not very impressed with the Harpy either. Doesn't seem like that great of a unit really.

Not sure on the harpy myself, but it can have twin linked heavy VC and is jump infantry. So if you are thinking that 200 pt carnies (with VC) are the bomb, then harpies should sound better since 1) it is more accurate with TL - increases chances from 50% accounting for favorable scatter to 75% ish or so 2) is more manueverable with wings 3) can actually chase down mech, something carnies won't do very well. Depending of whether you can both bomb (movement phase) and shoot strangle thorns (shooting phase) you could also have a pretty pottent anti-horde. Can't rememer the points though? Again, it comes down to army composition, are you going to spam TMC with wings...5 winged MC (2 flyrants) could be a very scary proposition.

The problem with the Harpy is one less Toughness, meaning Str 10 can insta kill it, and a 4+ save.

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Aduro wrote:Alright, I think I know what I want my Swarm to look like, and I'm wondering if someone who has a copy of the point values can give me an approximate value of this list as a whole so I know if it's too big or leaves me spare room for more toys. No individual breakdowns, and rounded to the nearest 100, and I'd be quite happy enough with that level of info.

Alpha Warrior with Bone Swords and Deathspitter
Parasite of Malanix (or whatever it's called)

2x Hive Guard
2x Venomthropes
Death Leaper

2x 20 man Termigaunts
2x 20 man Hormagaunts w/ Toxin Sacs
2x Tervigons w/ Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs and Adrenal Glands

20 man Gargoyles

Tyranofex with the Str 10 gun.

This list is 2 meltaguns over 1900.

Hah, had to adjust your math eh? Looks like I'll need to shave a bit to get my 1750 point goal, but that's not too bad given I was just wish listing stuff on perceived theme and appearance and general coolness.

It's over 1750 by over 150 pts.