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Keep in mind that Tzeentch also never lets his plans reach an end, hes the schemer god letting a plan reach a goal isn't what hes after, he just likes to plot and scheme. So even IF he wanted CSM to win the whole thing he would change plans at the last minute anyway.

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Keep in mind that Tzeentch also never lets his plans reach an end, hes the schemer god letting a plan reach a goal isn't what hes after, he just likes to plot and scheme. So even IF he wanted CSM to win the whole thing he would change plans at the last minute anyway.

Schemer, you know you are a schemer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said schemer, you're nothing but a schemer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said "Far out, - What a day, a year, a laugh it is!"
You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you,
Now there's not a lot I can do.

Oh please, the chaos space marines are unimportant in the long scheme of things to the powers of Chaos. They do not think of things in terms of years but in terms of eons.

I am going with the Imperium of Man because of the Same reason as Ailaros. They can reproduce. The Eldar are toast, but the Dark Eldar will last longer but they too will eventually die. Orks will either kill themselves or the Tyranids will beat them. The Necrons will put up a good fight but they would eventually go back into stasis. Tau are also toast, the Imperium will take them out. I have an interesting theory for Chaos, they will defeat one of the races and the Chaos gods will fight over who will rule that races worlds, thus they would kill themselves in a four-way civil war. Nids are a seriuos problem though, but i think that the Imperium will eventually destroy the hive fleets. It will come at a serious cost though. Or their could be a HUGE battle between all the Imperium (all the SM chapters, all the IG, all the Grey Knights,and Sisters of Battle) and All of the Tyranids. That would be epic! But i think the Imperium would win.

Uh, Orks don't just kill themselves. The reason Orks fight amongst themselves is because fighting makes them stronger and death is their method of reproduction (via releasing spores, which they do all throughout their life but they release a huge burst of spores upon death.

IF all of the Orks in the galaxy killed themselves at once somehow, a few years later ther'd be a dozen or so times as many Orks as there was previously.

Tyranids would not confront the entirety of the imperium at once, unless it was terra. The imperium is also too large and bloated with beurocracy to bring all their powers to one area ahead of the tyranids as well.

Again with the "Imperium wins because it can reproduce". The Tyranids are simply better at this than the Imperium, because they extract the entire potential of a world all at once and take it with them, rather than slowly draining it over generations as the Imperium does.

Melissia wrote:Oh please, the chaos space marines are unimportant in the long scheme of things to the powers of Chaos. They do not think of things in terms of years but in terms of eons.

The Chaos powers don't think period. They're like 2 year olds: they only want. Tzeentch thinks he thinks but all he does is out think himself

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Mr Nobody wrote:Tyranids would not confront the entirety of the imperium at once, unless it was terra. The imperium is also too large and bloated with beurocracy to bring all their powers to one area ahead of the tyranids as well.

It is Terra. And I find it interesting that you feel a faction will lose because it is too gargantuan to bring all of it's forces to bear.


The Tyranids are literally headed to Terra.


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Xyptc wrote:Again with the "Imperium wins because it can reproduce". The Tyranids are simply better at this than the Imperium, because they extract the entire potential of a world all at once and take it with them, rather than slowly draining it over generations as the Imperium does.

But only when they win, IF they win. The Imperium is doing it constantly on a trillion worlds.

I see CSM being the last - particularly "tzeentch" favoured - as the Chaos God will just change the outcome as it sees fit.

THANK YOU
some sense at last,
this is what ive bin sayiun but these guys wont listen

I'd have to vote Orks, personally, just because of a few things:

1: they're nigh unkillable. At this point the Imperium has to totally eradicate a system to destroy all the orks, as their reproduction rate works as it does.

2: they're incredibly numerous. It's already been stated that all the orks combined would overwhelm the galaxy, and ork population increases exponentially with casualties (because spores are released as they die) so more dead orks equals more live orks, and eventually you just run out of the dakka to fight them.

3: They are instinctively born with the ability to make and use some form of technology. They don't need to rely on learning and any kind of tradition to survive, just instinct.

Anyway, that's my take on the whole thing.

Nids are also nign unkillable, very numerous, and (save synapse) run on instict. They even have rules for insticts. And the Imperium actually fears them.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:Nids are also nign unkillable

No they aren't.

Kill a gaunt and it stays dead.

Kill an Ork and a dozen more pop up a year later.

Scrabb wrote:It is Terra. And I find it interesting that you feel a faction will lose because it is too gargantuan to bring all of it's forces to bear.

I find it interesting you don't realize how bureaucracy slows everything down. It takes decades, even centuries, for the Imperium to mount a huge attack (ie a crusade). A minor retaliatory strike wouldn't do much to a hive fleet.

Scrabb wrote:The Tyranids are literally headed to Terra.

Only two minor hive fleets. It's not like Terra would be hurting for lack of defenses.

It can only be Orks.

The Ork race is the ultimate force in survival, they are excellent improvisers and even on a world which would not normally provide them with food they simply bring their squig spores which will provide a long lasting food supply. However there biggest advantage is the way they reproduce, every single Ork carries basically trillions of spores which constantly shed from his body as he walks, eats, fights whatever and when he dies a huge amount of them burst out and cover the land. A battleground with a hundred dead Orks could potentially birth thousands if not millions of Orks given the right conditions.

why would gw make a race that would be impossible to defeat, it defeats the purpose of 40K, if one race won thn there would be no more 40K and no more gw income from that area

really orcs?!???!?!?

No. We did not vote for Orcs.

We voted for Orks. Who are much cooler.

... grrrrrr
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, I Think that if they just said "chaos" instead of "chaos space marines" they'd have gotten more votes for that. Chaos Space Marines suck, but Chaos doesn't

Chaos Daemons are immortal, so even if they get squashed by any other power in the physical world they still wont be dead. Thats why I left them out of poll about survival
(Make a chaos player upset upset by commenting on how he painted his Matt Daemons)
Unless im mistaken i dont think Tzeentch has ultimate omnipotent say over what happens, just heavy influence.(right?) Besides he's probably the most self destructive of all chaos gods, he wont ever let his plans reach an end because that means he can't scheme anymore. He would be 3 seconds from victory and spoil his own plans so he can keep...planning

GW didnt make a race thats undefeatable. Every race looses battles. But exterminating a race is a whole different story, thats what this thread is about.

-Loki- wrote:

Scrabb wrote:It is Terra. And I find it interesting that you feel a faction will lose because it is too gargantuan to bring all of it's forces to bear.

I find it interesting you don't realize how bureaucracy slows everything down. It takes decades, even centuries, for the Imperium to mount a huge attack (ie a crusade). A minor retaliatory strike wouldn't do much to a hive fleet.

I always walked away from descriptions of the imperial fleet that had been designated heretical for failure to arrive at a battle due to being wiped out in a previous engagement or the hundreds of planets that taxes were not taken from due to rounding errors on another planet three thousand years warp travel away more with a sense of how enormous it all was than that it was completely useless.

Today in America our government can waste/lose hundreds of millions of dollars and still have 99% efficiency. The imperium can lose sector size fleets along with hundreds of planets and not even feel the loss.

-Loki- wrote:

Scrabb wrote:The Tyranids are literally headed to Terra.

Only two minor hive fleets. It's not like Terra would be hurting for lack of defenses.

I was under the impression that the Nid's in general were drawn by the astrominicon [sp?], maybe even to this galaxy rather than another because of it. This would make a confrontation of an existential nature limited only by the Tyranids speed.


If I am wrong and the Nid's elect to forage using a wide net and avoid positions of strength the Imperium can use that time to gather it's strength and engage in virus bombing/exterminatus as a delaying tactic.

True....

Without Star Child thing Necrons(my thought).

Im still rooting for csm's cause theyre tank

CSM all the way.

1. They can flee to the eye, its pretty much an impenetrable hidey hole.

2. A weakened imperium would certainly be giving ground (territory and troops) to chaos. just fully conquering cadia would bolter their strength immensely (cadian gate).

3. In storm of iron it mentions the iron warriors enslaving a hive ship so to me that says hive mind vs chaos=chaos wins.

4. Orks are no problem, destroy their ramshackle space fleets and turn their planets into daemon worlds ala the gehamet towers in dark apostle.

The necrons could actually pose a serious problem, however in all likelihood i think they would just avoid each other.

the other races tau, eldar, dark eldar would just get stomped and/or corrupted.

pff autocannons and slaanesh maul necrons, i mean their gods arnt immune to id for gods sake (pardon the pun) i can just blissgiver them


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but yes those are very good points that i agree with and praise

Tyranic Marta wrote:pff autocannons and slaanesh maul necrons, i mean their gods arnt immune to id for gods sake (pardon the pun) i can just blissgiver them


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but yes those are very good points that i agree with and praise

One thing those Blackstone Fortresses are actually aren't practical.They been already used to kill C'tan and they've failed.
We have examples of Necron escorts destroying Chaos Cruisers in one of Caiphas Cain novels without sustaining any considerable damage.
Also Necrons can continiue to build Pylons to seal up warp.
Then we have examples how Necron ground weaponry rapes Orks and everyone generally.
Then we have their FTL and better tech.